Misleading title and the best team always doesnt win, with all the respect Porto wasnt best team. Good, solid, well built team, but also a team which had players who had the last opportunity to do something special before the end of their careers, and obviously Mourinho played huge part in it also.

 

Porto 2004?

lol.

 

:thumbsup:
Outrageous as it sounds, F.C. Porto and Greece gave us some of the best team performances in the early 00's. The best football doesn't always win, the best team does.

 

they were the most boring team to ever win a top tournament.

one header and one goal... won the title

 

Stop the press! Ze and I agree on something. Greece were a special type of garbage for even Ze to accurately notice it.

Seriously, there was no great defensive play or team play for Greece. They just parked the bus. They used the basest tactic in all of football, which absolutely any team in the world can pass off, they hit a string of good results, and that was that. Even Finland crushed these same fools 5-1.

 

another best team is 2000-2001 boca juniors

the only south american team that won back to back libertadores cup last decade

thanks to riquelme, :smileani:

 

el-trollero, stfu. You keep spamming, you'll get blocked.

 

thanks for the advice, firdaus

 

Crvena Zvezda Belgrad 1991 anyone? Dynamo Kiev 1986-87 anyone?

 

Best NT: Hungary '50-'56

Best club team: The current Barca before Guardiola thought proper CBs aren't necessary, lol

Best not-on-paper "team" I ever saw: A local high school team. We were vastly superior skill-wise (we beat them 7-1 in regular season), but they were vastly superior in commitment, teamwork, and organization. They relied on their "#10" - who was as good as our bench players - in counterattacks, and he scored two goals out of the only two chances they had. We lost the game 1-2.

 

I summarize in short the contribution of these teams.

* Celtic F.C. 1966-67: The concept of verticality and the attack zone.

* AFC Ajax 1971-72 : Football in blocks and the splitting of functions. Formations 4-3-3 with wing back.

* Brazil 1981-82: Preponderance of the wing-back for triangulation in attack.
(to wit a reactualization of the joga bonito). Consolidation of 4-2-2-2 formation

* A.C. Milan 1989-90: Reissue of zone defense and overtaking of the offside line as a pressing to the rival.

* Red Star Belgrade 1990-91: The possession in midfield and consolidation of 3-1-3-1-2 formation.

* Spain 2007-08: Football in blocks, the splitting of functions and lateralization and good domain of the ball.

Also I would name other big teams like:

The Machine of River Plate, Wunderteam of Hugo Meisl, passing game of the Liverpool , Budapest Honved of Jeno Kalmar and Púskas, Real Madrid of the 5 cup, Il grande Inter of H.H. Peñarol 60s, Dinamo de Kiev de Viktor Maslov, Bayern 70s, Stade Reims of Batteux, Chilean team of Riera, Colombia of Maturana, Argentina of Bilardo (rioplatense style), Brasil 70 and original joga bonito, Santos of Pelé, Hamburgo of 80s, Pep Team Barcelona, Fergie Babes M.United

Just to name a few original equipment but we need to talk more.
Even I could many teams more describe here.

 

People forget about Italia 1990 which is most definelty the greatest Italian team of the modern era and one of the better sides not to win the tournament in general.

formation 352 Achievment 3rd place (semi final shootout loss notable) key player Schilacci golden boot

---------------------------------------Zenga

-------------Bergomi----------------Baresi---------------------Ferri

---------------------De Napoli------ Giannini--------D'Agostini
------Donadoni------------------------------------------------------Maldini


----------------------------------------------------------Baggio
---------------------------------Schillaci


Baggio/Maldini/Bergomi/Baresi are all alltime greats in there posistions while the remaining six starters were all star players in their time. The bench also included many star names such as
Ciro Ferrara Ancelotti Mancini Viali etc

 

FF, I see you mentioned seasons - is your thread limited to the best season ever achieved by certain team ?

Otherwise, I´m missing some iconic teams.
MTK Budapest 1917-1925 winning 9 consecutive titles
Iron Sparta (Sparta Praha 1919-1923)
Herb Chapman´s Arsenal of early 30s
Grande Torino
Kubala´s FC Barcelona 1950-54
Di Stefano´s Real Madrid 1956-60

 

Thanks for these Kajoo, I appreciate the links. I will study the xtratime threads for these teams and add to our consolidation.

Regarding my reference to the season, instead of picking a team representing an era or a decade of dominance I'd prefer for us to select individual teams / seasons. For an example, look at AC Milan, the makeup and philosophy of the '89-90 team was different to the '93-94 AC Milan team, although only 3 years apart.

 

FF


Let me put my suggestions here for you:

81: Flamengo of Zico, Adilio, Andrade, Leandro, Junior, Mozer & Nunes
82: Brazil Nt & Flamengo
83: Juventus & Flamengo
84: Liverpool & Fluminense
85: Juventus
86: France was probably the best team. As they din't win a bunch of people will question that. But had a dream midfield
87: Flamengo
88: AC Milan, Holland & Liverpool
89: Ac Milan
90: Napoli & West Germany
91: Red Star Belgrade & Sampdoria
92: Sao Paulo
93: Sao Paulo
94: Brazil & Palmeiras
95: Ajax
96: Palmeiras & Barcelona
97: Brazil & Vasco
98: France & Real Madrid
99: Man Utd & Corinthians
00: France & Boca Juniors
01: Argentina
02: Brazil & Real Madrid
03: Real Madrid & AC Milan
04: Arsenal
05: Brazil
06: Italy & Barcelona
07: AC Milan
08: Spain & Man Utd
09: Barcelona & Brazil
10: Barcelona & Spain
11: Barcelona
12: Barcelona or Real Madrid flip a coin.

 

92: Sao Paulo
93: Sao Paulo

Thankyou Ze da Fiel, I will reference your good notes on São Paulo FC here:
http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=269249

 

If you need help with the other brazilian teams, just let me know also.

 

I was going to say MTK but would have been called biased so I didn't. also, IMHO Hungary 1938-1944 and 1944-1950 (if one puts it in 6-year periods) were both way better than 1950-1956.

 

how come?

95-96: Juventus FC - European Champions / League Runner-Up / Intercontinental Cup/ Supercup
96-97: Juventus FC - European Runner-Up / League Champions
97-98: Juventus FC - European Runner-Up / League Champions

Underrated team of the modern era. In that 3 year period Juventus reached 3 EC finals and finished top 2 in the league. There were great players; Del Piero, Zidane, Deschamps, Davids, Conte, Ferrara, Montero, Inzaghi, Vieri, Vialli, Vierchowod etc
A great coach in Lippi aswell

i agree, that group is prolly one of the underrated teams outside italy nowadays.

 

Ze trying to say South American clubs in the modern era were best.

Never change bro, I don't know what XT would be like with your embarrassing crush on South American mediocrity roud:

Also were Brazil that great in '82? I mean as a team? They got pumped in the World Cup final...I know people are keen on saying they are the best team to have never won the World Cup, but does that make them better than the team who DID win the World Cup?

 

Ze trying to say South American clubs in the modern era were best.

Never change bro, I don't know what XT would be like with your embarrassing crush on South American mediocrity roud:

Also were Brazil that great in '82? I mean as a team? They got pumped in the World Cup final...I know people are keen on saying they are the best team to have never won the World Cup, but does that make them better than the team who DID win the World Cup?

quarterfinal.

Brazil ´82 is nostalgic choice, same like Hungary ´54, both beautifull losers that are impossible to forget.

 

to be fair, cam, Brasil 82 was really an awesome team. was great pleasure to watch them play. too bad then came Rossi and destroyed them within 30 minutes. but these things happen in football.

 

Cam

all the brazilian teams listed are better than any gobshite Scotland or Parma have introduced the world.

Btw, that Brazil team beat the mighty scotland of Andy Goram, Hansen, Souness, Dalglish & Strachan 4x1 in the world cup. All of them, with the exception of Goram, were legends in liverpool or man utd.

With the exception of Falcao, all the other players played in Brazil at the time:thumbsup:


Then you think of the football lesson that Flamengo gave Liverpool in 45 minutes in 1981. 3x0 in the first half and liverpool din't even touch the ball. Phil Neal said that after the game, that defeat helped Liverpool tweak their football even more and continue dominating Europe. Livepool dominated Europe from 77 to 85 (when they lost in that tragic game).

Get your facts straight:thumbsup:

 

Cam

all the brazilian teams listed are better than any gobshite Scotland or Parma have introduced the world.

The Wembley Wizards would have crushed any Brazilian team in history. roud:

Your best ever teams list was missing the brilliant Corinthians of Emerson Cheikh and Fat Adriano's amazing Sao Paulo team.

 

Inter for 2010. roud:

Brazil 2009 seems a stretch. Very solid looking team but they needed to be tested by other top teams.

 

They were.

We beat Italy twice, we beat Uruguay on the road (we had not won in montivideo for 30 years, always a tough place for us to play) , argentina on the road, confed cup winning in style.

The team worked and got the best results that year by any national team. So it is not a stretch... its FACTUAL.:thumbsup::drunk:

 

Btw, 1988 should we include PSV Eindhoven? That was one hell of a team.

 

Btw Harokin

What about PSV? Let's agree on something else

 

Of course. :heart:

Well, the EC-winner is always the easy choice for the best club team in the world in any year. :thumbsup:

 

FF

some more teams here for you:

61: Santos
62: Santos
63: Santos & Botafogo
66: Cruzeiro
67
68:
69:
70: Brazil
71:
72:
73:
74: Palmeiras
76: Fluminense
1977: Liverpool
78:
79: Internacional of Falcao and guess who?? FIGUEROA :howler:

96: River Plate (brill team) with Francescoli, Salas, Crespo, Ortega, Gallardo,


Fangio could help out on the great Independiente teams etc..

 

Also, Argentina 1991 has a good case to be included.

no Maradona playing, but a wonderful new team with the likes of Ortega, Canniggia, Batistuta, Rugerri, Leo Rodriguez & the kunt called Simeone

 

95-96: Juventus FC - European Champions / League Runner-Up / Intercontinental Cup/ Supercup
96-97: Juventus FC - European Runner-Up / League Champions
97-98: Juventus FC - European Runner-Up / League Champions

Underrated team of the modern era. In that 3 year period Juventus reached 3 EC finals and finished top 2 in the league. There were great players; Del Piero, Zidane, Deschamps, Davids, Conte, Ferrara, Montero, Inzaghi, Vieri, Vialli, Vierchowod etc
A great coach in Lippi aswell

 

A great medical staff as well. :thumbsup:

 

Juve in '96 sounds right. Good shout for '97 as well but that's a tougher year to call.

Inter for 2010 for sure. That team not only won a Treble but also beat the champions of the English, Spanish and German leagues on the way.

Ze, what did the Brazilian team gain in 2009 and lose after that which made them better than Spain?

 

We won the confederation cup in 2009, the same tournament that Spain got knocked out in the semis.

After all, you don't want me to start saying that Spain only won the world cup 2010 because it din't play Brazil, do you?:thumbsup::drunk:

 

Formation MW The máquina de Riber Plate

--------------------------[-------]-------------------------------
-----------------------[GK] Soriano-------------------------------------

-------[RB] Tacono --[CB] Vaghi (c) --[CB] Ferreira---------------------

-------------[CM] Rodolfi ----------[CM] Ramos--------------------------

----------- Moreno----[CF] Pedernera----------------------------------
--------------------------------- [F] Labruna----------[LW] Loustau
[RW] Muñoz -------------------------------------------------------


River Plate's machine was the first team in history that combined
a Deep-lying forward (insider) with a classic 10
(although he was considered front center).
This directly influenced footballing identity Colombia in the 90s
(Not to mention the millonarios FC).
Moreover, the machine was one of
the predecessors of the splitting-functions within the field,
and the modifying the idea of dynamic MW.
The dinamic and the aggressiveness in retrieving balls
became a patent characteristic of rioplatense style.
(Uruguay Argentina)
To this is added the talent and good technique.
The máquina de River Plate is:
Technique + splitting-functions + dinamic MW
In my view, the machine is very similar to pep team.
To this must be added the pioneering innovation of unite a insider with a center forward as at modern style of box to box with a 10 classic.

 

------------------------------------------------------------------
1990-91

Red Star Belgrade

Formation 4-5-1

[GK] Stojanović (c)

[RB] Šabanadžović [CB] Belodedici [CB] Najdoski [LB] Marović

[CM] Jugović

[RM] Binić [CM] Prosinečki [CM] Mihajlović [LM] Savićević

[CF] Pančev​

Coach: Ljupko Petrović
Key Game: [1990-91 UEFA Champions League Semi-finals Second leg] Red Star Belgrade 2-2 Bayern Munich
Achievements: Yugoslav First League, European Cup, Intercontinental Cup
Comments:
Heroearaucano: The possession in midfield and consolidation of 3-1-3-1-2 formation.

if i may, a full strength Red Star at the time had Dusko Radinovic at RB and not Sabanadzovic... he was just injured for the final in Bari

Savicevic and Mihajlovic should also be switched around