Jürgen Klopp.

There are no other realistic alternatives available right now. His brand of football is exciting and he's proven himself at the top level. The bonus would be if he can bring one of Reus or Gundogan along with him.

 

Klopp does seem perfect. Youngish, great football philosophy, hungry, charismatic, confident. Pretty much the anti-moyes. He must be sick and tired of his good work going to waste at Dortmund due to the big Bayern monster. At United he'd be in a position to get revenge in the not so distant future, he did after all build a side at Dortmund (with almost no money) that crushed Bayern for 2 seasons.

He's also coming at the right time, after an extraordinary failure and when the Glazers are finally loosening the pursestrings as the level of the interest payments continue to fall and the income rises.

 

You guys just need to keep the faith. In Moyes We Trust.

 

Trololol

 

Not van Gaal please.

 

Last time you signed a manager from Aberdeen who'd just won a domestic cup it worked out well.

Derek McInnes for Manchester United.

 

I was probably the biggest Moyes advocate on this board, and I'm still trying to see the positives in it all but it's very hard to defend him to anyone anymore.

I want United to stick fat with him; but that's more a desperate case of clinging on to us being a different club to others, than any reality. Fact is this year has been a disaster, with not one positive coming out of it. This is only going to end one way and that is with Moyes departing so may as well be at the end of this year, before too much damage is done.

Sad part is that we missed the boat with Mourinho, who would have at least brought results even if he didn't bring beautiful football.

It has to be Klopp. We need someone with a philosophy on football, with an identifiable brand and style and someone who can get the best out of players and attract names.

 

Those 'typical Germans'

 

"I'd like to remind you that when we had bad times here the club stood by me, all my staff stood by me, the players stood by me - your job now is to stand by our new manager. That is important."​

 

Ferguson came into a mess of a club and overhauled everything from top to bottom, despite the bumps along the way there was clear progress.

Moyes has come into the runaway champions of england, strengthened the squad with Mata, Januzaj and Fellaini. Yet has no clue how to effectively set up a team. His coaching style isn't suited to a big club that demands a win every week.

United have gone from 5 titles out of the last 7, could easily have been 7 out of 7 as the ones we lost were decided by GD and a point - now we're set for a 9th placed finish if this guy ends up seeing out the season.

If there were at least signs of a plan and we were losing games due to ambition and not cowardice then there would be way much more support for Moyes despite our shocking position. But since he has brought on a lot of our problems himself, he is toast.

The players are not happy, the fans are not happy and it appears the money men at United who will lose out on £30m of CL money won't be happy.

I'm proud of the way United fans have conducted themselves, obviously it helps having cleaned up for 20 years but I think a lot of people expected complete mutiny if we lost at home to Liverpool. The fans just stuck by the team, no sign of any David Moyes song.

But yeah, comparing Fergie taking over the 1986 version of United with Moyes taking over the 2013 version of United is just wrong. Times have changed dramatically since then and it isn't really a valid comparison. Ask Fergie back in May if he thought the season united are having now would be worth defending. Him and Sir Bobby's silence is deafening. Not to mention the stinkfaces they put on at games. The fact that Sir Alex's presence at games is being a problem for Moyes is just another reason to sack this mental midget.

 

ABM (anybody but moyes). That is how I felt before he got hired and that is how I feel now. People laughed at me when I said laudrup but he had more imagination than moyes. Anywho how about fresh face. Like Thomas tuchel from Mainz

 

Appointing Klopp may be the only way to salvage Kagawa's Man United career.

 

:shakepalm:

I have backed Moyes and felt all the while (till the UCL game) that he was bit unlucky.

1) He did not have a proper midfield (Fellaini was injured and did not have the time to show his full potential), and we just had cleverly and carrick.

2) Injuries - we had rooney, RVP and others were injured and therefore it was not easy to play our best line up always.

3) Defenders: we know that our defense needs to be fixed (Vida, Rio and evra) are close to being dead wood.

4) He did give Januzaj chances and also should be given credit for motivating Rooney.

All in all my opinion was that we need to give DM some time and money to rebuild the squad.

But past 2 games, i am really pissed off

1) why the hell did we play young, antonio and cleverly in the UCL away game ??? if he wanted to play counter attacking football, he could have played 4-3-3 with fellaini (who IMO is starting to show some performances), fletcher and carrick + RVP - rooney - Welback.

2) He seems to be almost scared to take off RVP ( who IMO had a bad game against pool), and do some thing - after the second goal.

and then to bring on cleverly to replace Fellaini :crazy:

He seems to be out of ideas and seems to be almost afraid to make drastic changes when the chips are down!

I still hope that all the rumors are not true, but it is clear that he is under enormous pressure and if we don't win the next 3 games (which IMO is very unrealistic), he is doomed.

 

:shakepalm:

I have backed Moyes and felt all the while (till the UCL game) that he was bit unlucky.

......

But past 2 games, i am really pissed off

1) why the hell did we play young, antonio and cleverly in the UCL away game ??? if he wanted to play counter attacking football, he could have played 4-3-3 with fellaini (who IMO is starting to show some performances), fletcher and carrick + RVP - rooney - Welback.
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Are you blind?!

I can't make up my mind who has been the worst united midfielder in my lifetime, Miller Djemba-Djemba or Fellani. Can't win a header, can't tackle, can't dribble and can't pass. What the **** does he actually do well?

 

David Moyes on the Precipice at Manchester United as Players and Supporters Lose Faith

By Nick Howson March 17, 2014

David Moyes' future as Manchester United manager is growing increasingly bleak after evidence of supporters turning on the Scot following the 3-0 defeat to Liverpool was accentuated by reports of a major falling-out with senior players at Old Trafford.

United won the title by 11 points ahead of Manchester City last term in Sir Alex Ferguson's final season but currently sit seventh and face their lowest top flight finish for 24 years and not qualifying for European competition for the first time since 1981, following a ninth Premier League defeat of the campaign.

Moyes was handed a six-year contract upon being appointed as successor to Ferguson but after another abject display in defeat to Brendan Rodgers' Liverpool, he faces strong questions over his capability to lead the club beyond the end of the current term.

Problems at United had initially been confined to performances on the pitch, particularly at home where they have won just six times in 14 league games, but club fanzine Red Issue has revealed that a training ground bust-up with player-coach Ryan Giggs before the game against Liverpool is jeopardising Moyes' future.

"Phil Neville was sent to ask Giggs why he hadn't attended a recent coaches meeting," the issue read. "The reply that it was 'pointless, as Moyes doesn't listen' did not go down well. Things appear to have improved slightly between them since, however

"Rio's obvious problems with the manager partly stem from his aggravating reference in training to 'what Jagielka would do' in similar situations.

"Moyes did not like being asked 'how does what Jagielka would do have anything to do with how United do things?' All in all, the verdict on Moyes at Carrington seems increasingly to be that he is clueless.

"A couple of weeks ago Moyes had them working on some defensive routine for over two hours. Apparently Ryan more or less stormed off, arms waving about in frustration, muttering words to the effort of 'two hours' defensive practice! This is Man United for f**k's sake.'"

Giggs was appointed to Moyes' backroom team alongside former United defender Phil Neville, who joined from Everton after retirement. However the legendary winger has played just 81 minutes since the first week of January and was left out of the squad to face Liverpool.

Rio Ferdinand's current contract expires at the end of the season but the club are yet to offer an extension, with the injury-ravaged 35 year old having started just eight league games.

After being urged to support Moyes in his debut season by the departing Ferguson, the United following is starting to turn on the 50-year-old with an online poll on leading club forum RedCafe.net seeing 92% vote in favour of the ex-Everton boss being sacked at the end of the season.

'United We Stand' editor Andy Mitten added: "The players clearly were not happy in the dressing room after the [Liverpool] game from what I've been told. It is not a happy camp.

"Manchester United fans expected a transition but they did not expect it to be so bad and be so far off the pace and for performances to be so bad.

"The mood over the last month has changed. What made it change was the defeat in Greece [to Olympiakos] three weeks ago. There were a lot of supporters who said this is a joke, this isn't good enough.

"The mood has definitely swung against David Moyes. Most United fans would like to see David Moyes do well but it's a dwindling support and most people have had enough. The breaking point has been reached over the last couple of weeks."

Final chance

The final chance for United to claim solace from a season in which they are expected to go without silverware for the first time since the 2004/05 campaign comes in the form of the Champions League last 16 second leg against Olympiakos where Moyes' side must overcome a two-goal deficit to reach the last eight.

In the face of criticism from the United fans, Moyes has called upon supporters to inspire the club to a second leg turnaround against the Greek champions.

"The fans were fantastic and deserve great credit for the way they supported the team today," Moyes said after the Liverpool match. "If they give us that support on Wednesday night, it will give us a chance of getting through in the Champions League.

"The players are well aware of what it means on Wednesday and what we have got to do. We've got something to go for so hopefully we can do that."

Speaking to manutd.com, he added: "The players are capable of turning it around. We're all desperate to put things right and make sure we play better to give the supporters here something to shout about."

Following the loss to Liverpool on Sunday United's official Facebook page was 'unliked' by 450,000 people - after executive vice chairman Ed Woodward had stressed the importance of social media engagement upon announcing the club's quarterly financial figures in February.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/david-moye...-united-players-supporters-lose-faith-1440674

 

So how much money will it cost to sack him?

 

Short-term very costly, but looking at the long-term welfare of the club, worth every penny.

I believe his 6 year contract is worth just under £40m.

But how much annual revenue would be lost if they fail to qualify for the Champions League each year...

 

^

That's a really stupid post. I would refer you back to Yatta's post in this thread to highlight the absurdity of your comparisons but then there's no point.

 

Oh god, I'm going to engage with you, aren't I? This is an error but what the hell, I have nothing better to do while dinner is cooking.

Moyes took over a squad which was very good but has clearly aged dramatically. And has some serious prima donnas who are not willing to change what they did under SAF. Whether what Moyes wants to do is the right thing is a different matter, but certain players do not even seem willing to give it a try. Which means Moyes needs to be given more than 1 year to try and implement his system, to bring in his own players (seriously, Mata and Fellani, that's it so far).

Is it a perfect comparison? No, of course not, but there are enough similarities to make the point worth looking at at least.

Part of the issue is that SAF didn't have to deal with annoying, impatient and spoiled glory hunters who have a belief that Manchester United have an innate right to success, especially in an era where they are no longer the King Dicks with the biggest wallet. There is a reason that Ferguson chose last May to finally leave. If he felt this current squad could still compete with City & Chelsea he'd never have gone.

It's gotten to the point where British clubs are firing managers at a rate that would make Zamparini feel at home and that is ridiculous. To expect a manager instantly step into the biggest shoes in world football, especially in the condition the previous owner left them in, and not stumble is just an absurd demand.

I get it. It's been a shit season for United fans used to winning the league or at least being in with a shout of it for the past 20+ years. But knee jerk reactions are stupid, and a lack of patience is an absolute curse in football.

 

Paul Ince

 

What football vision do Manchester United's fans want their next manager to have, in terms of:

- playing style
- technical/tactical development of current players
- fitness methods and training philosophy
- experience and approach in European games
- approach to domestic cup competitions
- youth development
- transfer targets


Furthermore, could David Moyes fulfill any of these ideals of where you want to be now and/or in the future?

 

Van Gaal would be an excellent choice, he has a attacking philosophy which would be beautiful to watch. He also built the foundation for what Bayern have accomplished in recent seasons. He builds a club starting at youth level, an indication of that is when he won the UCL with Ajax and how many young players he had in the team. We would be at war with the media if he was at the helm but he has all the credentials needed to be the Manchester United manager.

Klopp from the quotes attributed to him never breaks his contract and has his eye on the German NT job in 2018. If we do want to go the unproven route again then Tomas Tuchel at Mainz would be a very interesting choice.

 

Describe Moyes' Everton in 10 words...

 

Unai Emery would be good :lala:

 

Not a bad shout there, old chap. :lick:

 

I think Klopp would fit in like a glove at Man Utd.

If I was part of the Glazers, I would go after him

 

why should he want to go to a worse club in a foreign country?

 

I am so 50/50 with all of this.

On one hand I still want United to stand by Moyes but as I mentioned in a post above, that's mainly due to the fact that I don't want to do what every other club would do, and that's sack a manager as a short term solution, due to some terrible results, rather than me believing he is the right person for the job.

The sheer arrogance of our club to think they could just hand pick a person, give him a 6 year contract, and think he will have the same influence as Sir Alex, just because we are United, and because Alex himself thought so, is ludicrous.

People saying that sacking managers is not the United way is nonsense. For 20 years we had no reason to sack a manager as we were winning titles, cups, trophies every year. If Fergie had of dropped to 7th on the table, played dour football and showed little sign of improvement then after a while, he too would have been in the gun. We can't use the success of our previous regime as a reason to continue with the new regime; It's actually cutting off your nose to spite your face if we stick with a manager who is clearly not cut out for this job.

Simple fact is; If Moyes left United what job would he go to next? It certainly wouldn't be a big European club, it wouldn't even be a top 6 English club. The manager of United should be sought after, should be well credentialed and should be a bright innovative manager who is respected world wide, not dour and defensive minded.

We missed the boat with Mourinho. No doubt about it. We can't afford to miss the boat again if a Klopp or someone of similar ilk becomes available.

I hate the short termism as much as the next person, but football is a short term game now. Better to make a change and take a risk, than continue with what clearly isn't working, which costs us long term dollars, sponsors, players, brand damage.

 

You mean a better club with a worst team... and with better players and funds :kat::err:

FAIL:boxing::yess::glasses:

 

4 MORE YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *MIKE BASSETT*

 

I want ex legend made by Sir Alex to coach United. they can continue his style.

Giggs or Scholes or Beckham

 

I don't think we should disrespect what Moyes achieved at Everton, nor talk him down. It's likely he's a very good coach and very good manager, more that we don't see him as the right fit for United.

There's no shame in that. 99% of people in the world fit that category so let's not re write history or talk ill of him to much.