Zoff
Baresi
Scirea
Maldini
Baggio
Rossi
Riva

They should be in, for the others, I don't know the Italian national team that well

 

In terms of name it has to be:

Franco Baresi
Paolo Maldini
Roberto Baggio
Dino Zoff
Luigi Riva
Paolo Rossi
Giacinto Facchetti
Gateano Scirea
Marco Tardelli
Giueseppe Meazza

You know my mind has completely gorgot the 70 team. Surely some of them would be here.

 

I just writed an Gigi Riva's little biography or something in estonian site soccernet.ee. I can translate that if you want.

 

You can't talk about the best players without mentioning Sandro Mazzola and Gianni Rivera.

Between the two, Mazzola's won more and has played more for the national team though.

 

IMO taking into account all years :

Luigi Riva
Roberto Boninsegna
Giuseppe Meazza
Dino Zoff
Silvio Piola
Paolo Rossi
Gianni Rivera
Walter Zenga
Roberto Bettega
Pietro Anastasi

Recent candidates : Baggio and Del Piero

 

Yes exactly, I forgot the 70 team. Rovera and Mazzola would be there.

In recent years only Cannavaro and Buffon for me get anywhere a top Italian XI. Zambrotta also but then his competition is Maldini, Facchetti and Cabrini so...

As you can see GBA does not like defenders not even naming one. When you consider Italy is renound for their defending you have to put at least 2 in there.

 

Deano, you wouldn't consider Nesta a candidate?

 

My list without any specific order...

1) Mazzola snr.
2) Meazza
3) Baresi
4) Rivera
5) Maldini
6) Baggio
7) Facchetti
8) Scirea
9) Zoff
10) Donadoni (personal legend might not be true for everybody).

There are few more but these are the ones who stood out most IMO.

@Nero - I would also agree with deano and not put Nesta in front of the above listed (and some others who didn't make it to the list) atleast not now. Maybe in the future when he retires. He does have the talent but to become the all time best you require more than just talent IMO.

 

I was just curious, because he said he'd only consider Buffon and Canna from the current crop, to potentially make the top XI.

I think Nesta would be a worthy candidate too.

 

I was just curious, because he said he'd only consider Buffon and Canna from the current crop, to potentially make the top XI.

I think Nesta would be a worthy candidate too.

Yes, that part is a bit confusing from Deano. Maybe something to do with Nesta being an ex laziali? :tongue: Although, I have found Deano to be largely an unbiased guy.

 

Giancarlo Antognogni deserves a spot.

 

No, in terms of club football Nesta has to be o0ne of the best players to ever play in Serie A. Defensively anyway, but at NT level I think in 2000 he was excellent but he has had many dodgy games for us since. Cannavaro I do not recall a bad game at all for Italy.

Then when you consider out of 60 matches Nesta hs probably only had like 5 bad Im being a bit harsh. Still over the years I consider Cannavaro the better... at least for Italy if not at club level.

 

Not a new thread but anyway...

Giuseppe Meazza, Mummo Orsi, Silvio Piola, Valentino Mazzola, Gigi Riva, Gianni Rivera, Giacinto Facchetti (according to annals), Franco Baresi, Paolo Maldini (till WC 2002 excluded ), Robi Baggio.

I did not put any player of 82 cause that was a fantastic team with fabulous players in every position but no one better than the others, a true team.

 

this is a question that should be asked in double decades or 1/4 ceturies or something like that

From my knowledge i would put Baresi at the top of every list

Rivera from what i have seen is a top 25 player world wide historically i have seen some things from both Mazzola's that merit their presence. But u know highlight reels are just highlight reels

But in terms of people i myself can honestly say beling in a top ten that i actually saw big chunks of their careers either on tape or live

Baresi Baggio Maldini are the only players i have seen in the last 20 years who i think would walk onto any team in history.

Others were fantastic but i am talking about Cryuff Di Stefano Maradona and Pele type players

Maldini Baggio and Baresi that i have actually followed career wise

 

You can't talk about the best players without mentioning Sandro Mazzola and Gianni Rivera.

Between the two, Mazzola's won more and has played more for the national team though.

I think there have been a few threads dedicated to this argument
None of us lived to watch them play, so we can't argue
leave it like that

 

As you can see GBA does not like defenders not even naming one. When you consider Italy is renound for their defending you have to put at least 2 in there.

Italy is renowned for defenders, but yes - defenders have harder time to get into all time-best-list since it's harder to see them in glory - the goals, the assists, the wonder moves. There are a few there who are very close to the list because they were truly great - Facchetti and Baresi IMO. Maldini won't get into the list at the end of the day IMO, in the historic view of things. Just my opinion, NT-wise... but he is great too no doubt. You'll notice I included 2 Keepers - some of the best in history of the game IMO, and that is the ultimate defense glory and in fact, what truly Italia is legendary of.

 

Why is Scirea so underrated here?

 

My list (in no particular order)

Giuseppe Meazza
Silvio Piola
Valentino Mazzola
Gianni Rivera
Luigi Riva
Giacinto Facchetti
Dino Zoff
Gaetano Scirea
Franco Baresi
Paolo Maldini

Out of the 10, I've picked 4 defenders and a goalkeeper. No Tardelli, Paolo Rossi (a one tournament wonder afterall ), Sandro Mazzola, Boninsegna, Bettega, Antognogni & Baggio.

 

You can't talk about the best players without mentioning Sandro Mazzola and Gianni Rivera.

Between the two, Mazzola's won more and has played more for the national team though.

Only an Interista can come out with that comment :howler:

Mazzola won 4 scudetti and 2 Europen Cups with Inter, while Rivera won 3 Scudetti, 2 European Cups, 2 European Cup Winners Cup, 4 Coppa Italia (in those days the Coppa was a competition taken far more seriously than it is today) with Milan. In terms of personal awards, Rivera too has won the Ballon d'Or in 1969 and finished as runner-up in 1963 to Lev Yashin when he was only 20 years old :eekani:

Why is Scirea so underrated here?

It could be because many of the younger XTers have not seen the great man himself in action. Scirea remains to date the most elegant, classiest and composed defender I've seen playing on the pitch, and that is some accolade indeed having being pampered by the likes of Baresi, Maldini and now Nesta at my favourite club. For a player playing almost his entire career in defense, Scirea was probably the only defender never to have been sent off :eekani: nor suspended due to cummulative bookings :eekani: A legendary player, and may he rest in peace :frownani:

 

Hardly a one-tournament wonder. Rossi was the winner of so many awards, played an important part for some of Juve's greatest triuhmps, and also scored 3 goals in 78 WC with Italy coming fourth. Among other acheivements (check what he did with Vicenza, unbelievable)......

 

Only an Interista can come out with that comment :howler:

Mazzola won 4 scudetti and 2 Europen Cups with Inter, while Rivera won 3 Scudetti, 2 European Cups, 2 European Cup Winners Cup, 4 Coppa Italia (in those days the Coppa was a competition taken far more seriously than it is today) with Milan. In terms of personal awards, Rivera too has won the Ballon d'Or in 1969 and finished as runner-up in 1963 to Lev Yashin when he was only 20 years old :eekani:

The most important trophies from that time to the present are the scudetti as well as the European Cups.

Mazzola: 4 scudetti. Rivera: 3
Mazzola: 2 European Cups. Rivera: 2
Mazzola: 2 Intercontinental Cups (which were much more attractive than the Italian Cups at the time). Rivera: 1

What is the Ballon D'or but a mere popularity contest when contrasted against more definitive achievements?

Let's also look at the NT. It was thought that both players could not play at the same time - hence the "staffetta", a relay by which one player would play for one half, was often employed.

Ultimately, Mazzola made more appearances for Italy than Rivera did. Mazzola has 70 caps while Rivera only has 60.

As for goals scored, Rivera only has 14 to Mazzola's 22.

His goal ratio is also better than Rivera for the NT.

His goal ratio is also better than Rivera at club level with 116 goals in 417 games to Rivera's 124 goals in 501 games.

Both played in the European Championship of 1968 where Italy won. This was the greatest achievement for both Mazzola and Rivera at the national level. But who contributed more? Mazzola. And if you don't take my word for it, then kindly click on this:

http://freeweb.supereva.com/odeonger/Eurospot68.htm?p

Hint: Look at who made more appearances in the tournament and who (between the two) scored more goals which contributed to the ultimate victory.

Mazzola Jr. has just done better in so many areas. Especially those which really matter.

 

Giampiero Combi, Silvio Piola, Beppe Meazza, Gigi Riva, Gianni Rivera, Romeo Benetti, Giacinto Facchetti, Ricky Albertosi, Amedeo Biavati, Antonio Cabrini, Giovanni Trapattoni...hard to choose really

 

where's il capitano dawgs??

 

where's il capitano dawgs??

This is the top 10, not top 10,000.

 

Giovanni Trapattoni

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