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2) Txiki sucks, but this summer he was actually not bad. Milito, Toure, Abidal, Henry. U can't say that's bad. We didnt overpay for any of them sooo....

Do you really believe this?

Milito: permanently injured and too small to be a central defender in a top team.

Toure: also injured and overrated. Useless going forward.

Abidal: overrated, always out of position and shouldn't be allowed to go past the half way line. Never scored a goal in his life.

Henry: One word (crap) would do but one might add, injured, lovesick greed, lazy and a few more. One of the worst signings in Barça's history.
 
2) Txiki sucks, but this summer he was actually not bad. Milito, Toure, Abidal, Henry. U can't say that's bad. We didnt overpay for any of them sooo....

Do you really believe this?

Milito: permanently injured and too small to be a central defender in a top team.

Toure: also injured and overrated. Useless going forward.

Abidal: overrated, always out of position and shouldn't be allowed to go past the half way line. Never scored a goal in his life.

Henry: One word (crap) would do but one might add, injured, lovesick greed, lazy and a few more. One of the worst signings in Barça's history.
Come on, Toure useless ? its frank who let him stay at the back...injured? this guy playes the half season with an injury and is still our best player

milito: was huge parts of the season our best defender, far better than puyol for example..

henry: he hasnt been on top, but he is still our topscorer
 
Do you really believe this?

Milito: permanently injured and too small to be a central defender in a top team.

Toure: also injured and overrated. Useless going forward.

Abidal: overrated, always out of position and shouldn't be allowed to go past the half way line. Never scored a goal in his life.

Henry: One word (crap) would do but one might add, injured, lovesick greed, lazy and a few more. One of the worst signings in Barça's history.
Milito has been the best of your new signings, rock solid at the back. Toure has been good as well. Abidal? Im baffled at the critizism towards him, sure there has been some inconsistensy, but it isnt easy to perform when the rest doesnt.
 
Horrible horror thriller images at Mallorca's 2-2 goal on Laporta face, what can i say in the 94th minute Rijkaard looking like a beaten cat and Laporta looking like was just stepped over by a train.
Its clear we need more then a evolution... the 1989 revolution, we have to step on dead body's to see Barca shine again.
 
Come on, Toure useless ? its frank who let him stay at the back...injured? this guy playes the half season with an injury and is still our best player

milito: was huge parts of the season our best defender, far better than puyol for example..

henry: he hasnt been on top, but he is still our topscorer
ssssssssssssshhhh
 
2-0 up at betis; lost 3-2 this season.

And last season was even worse with Betis and Espanyol at home. We didnt lose any of those two but they hurt like a million times more than todays game.
you proved my point.

losing away and losing at home are slightly different things when you look at our home and away records!! what is it, 14 home wins and only 4 away!?
 
Barca addiction, don't you think that article is a tad biased? It's not up to others to tell us how we should act towards our own players.
I dont think it's biased. Thats the same thing i thought and alot of ppl did think while watching all the booing. We are the most impatient of fans and only back the team when we win...when we do lose we forget everything that occurred and need changes all through the club.

Do u think if Sir Alex Ferguson, that genious who got Manchester 10 EPL, was our coach would he be our coach for more than 3 years? He'd give us a La liga and next year would be booed. Im not saying i wanted Riijkard to stay, im saying that whoever comes and lasts for a while, will always be booed. And thats why u guys want Laporta out.. like change will correct everything
 
Let me elaborate that more. Meaning that if u know someone could do a job, and he failed once leave him where he is and he's bound to do it again. That's How Man united are winning coz they knew SAF was a very good coach, and even in failures they know he did it once and will do it again. we should do the same with Laporta...We were in a mess and he got us out of this mess and has done a great job to say the least. We are in less a mess now then when he was first elected and i think he can revive our club again.
 
no need to bash Txiki, i think the last summer he did well, he added 4 big players to an already world class squad... the only issue is that you need a big coach with experience to control such players and make sure they dont drift ala Ronaldinho...

Im sure if we had a coach like capello "not that i like his tactics" ronaldinho wouldnt have been in such deep shit........

anyway we are all looking forward for next season.....
 
Milito either needs stilts or jumping practice. Come on, stop being so defensive over your faves guys. And it is true that he's permanently injured, which is why Els putos turned him down. I do hope I'm wrong because he's a class sweeper on a good day bu tnever a centre half.
Abidal is chaotic, a poor marker and shouldn't be allowed over the half way line. Very energetic and fast for that matter.
Touré has also been carrying an injury all season but even so his vision going forward is around zilch. He did score an amazing goal at the beginning which all raised our hopes of having someone in the team who can actually shoot but it turned out to be more like 6 points to Wigan than goals for Barça.
And the folk defending Henry have turned into a forum joke but once again in your defence I must say that Txiki managed to sign yet another injured player. the other day in the CN I shouted out to a Scottish friend "Look Henry is running!" and all the fans around me started laughing, half congratulating themselves on understanding the present progressive tense in English and half marvelling at my acute observation at such a rare event.
And a good bit of humour from Barça Winner with his "ssshhhh" because yes people do get sensitive when you criticise Puyi, Xavi and company when to be fair they've been just as crap as the rest.
 
Greeting everyone,

I came here to post just to add some points to the discussion.

People here compare Barcelona to Liverpool even thought the football played in Camp Nou and in Anfield serves purposes quite different from each other. For sure, we are talking about the same sport in a technical sense, but the values behind the different implementations should not be forgotten.

English football is more about sports entertainment nowadays and as such, it serves mainstream audiences extremely well. In Spain, however, a stronger degree a social notions goes with football. In Barcelona's case, the club stands for a specific identity, one that hasn't been able to legalize itself thoroughly even though it has legitimized its essence. And with Barça, a lot of this essence is showcased on a regular basis.

Therfore, Barça is a club that shows a very visible part of the Catalan identity to outside world. And as such, it forms this identity. The defeats and victories are a part a process to get recognized. Think of yourself trying to object something which has more right to exist and which for you has no basis. The situation may not be so drastic nowadays, but the basis of the club shouldn't be underestimated nevertheless.

With cules, this year has been hard for the identity. There was a lot of misgiven promises - the fans lived in a different reality in which Barça was going to succeed this year. This was because of certain statements. Therefore, the failures of the season are far more influential. If there is a club which highlights a certain identity, one should do the utmost to not betray the structure of the identity. Regarding Barça, the illusion was to beat Madrid and to regain the strength to the identity. I'd say that people put more influence on Barça regarding their lives than they did at some points of Gaspart regime, for instance. Of course, I'm stating that without valid facts.

During this year, the fans have had to restructure the identity of Barcelona. There have been few solid references, but when there have been such, they have been recognized in the way of Messi and Bojan, for instance. But because of the fractured identity, the blame has been diversified as well. Therefore, different figures have been the main culprits during different periods.

Regarding the discussion about Eto'o a different perspective could be beneficial. Because of what Barça means to some of cules, this year's failures have been very personal. The wounds have been social, by nature. Because the essence of the club cannot be controverted, someone has to take blame for the failures. During this period it would have been essential that the team would have shared the feelings with the fans in order to remind of the shared identity. Everything else will hit the nerve, in a manner of speaking.

This is exactly what Eto'o managed to do, even though it was most likely by accident. I don't think he was criticized because of his form. His far too beloved for that. But when he made the statements to the press he willingly made himself an outsider for not being part of the ingroup. During another time this would be forgotten but now it's going to take longer for him to regain the trust. It's not merely about fans believing his not going to leave, but that he shows that he's indeed a part of the "family". The notion of family could have saved players from criticism but this time it was not to be. And the reason why there isn't this kind of conduct in Anfield is because there are fewer of these kind of nerves there. For every boo, there is a reason. Even if it's the pressure in the stadium.

Also, when speaking about the criticism against Laporta, we should remember the historical background of the club. During Franco's period, Barça stood for the Catalan culture and, to some extent, objected centralized power and authoritarian system. I'd say these notions co-exist with modern Barcelona even if implicitly. Yet, there are implications when it comes to the management of the club. The day the president shows signs of authoritarian nature, the cules react. Again, the perspective is discursive, but for me it would be natural reaction against experiences of dictatorship. And the effect of such reactions goes within the speech more so than in concrete actions. Of course, some of the Catalan fans here would have more to say whether there is this kind of notion in the Catalan culture.

In essence to this conversation, I'd say that the day the comparison between F.C. Barcelona and English clubs is valid, is the day the soul of the club vanishes.

Whether this is a good thing or a bad thing is another issue altogether. However, one should never forget how different the football is in the stadiums around the world even though it might appear the same. This doesn't add or take value from any of it, it's just something we should keep in mind before criticizing.

I would have booed as well in Camp Nou, had I felt betrayed by the actions of the team.
Very interesting post and welcome to the forum. :thumbsup:
 
Hortor

I don't really think people outside of the Catalans give a **** about this Catalan identity or culture?!?!?!

The fans are here to watch good soccer and that is what brings us together not your identity. I became a fan due to Ronnie and thought this was a good club but now that I get to know more of it I sense a lot of politics are involved in the club which is not good. One simple opinion is the favoritism for Catalans over any other player. Obviously, this is going to happen to a certain extent but you guys idolize them so much that Puyol is always the MOTM even if he is not even on the pitch.
 
Hortor

I don't really think people outside of the Catalans give a **** about this Catalan identity or culture?!?!?!

The fans are here to watch good soccer and that is what brings us together not your identity. I became a fan due to Ronnie and thought this was a good club but now that I get to know more of it I sense a lot of politics are involved in the club which is not good. One simple opinion is the favoritism for Catalans over any other player. Obviously, this is going to happen to a certain extent but you guys idolize them so much that Puyol is always the MOTM even if he is not even on the pitch.
LOL! I think you are supporting the wrong club mate. We support the club for its whole identity, not just a small part of it (good footie).

I'd like to refer you to this club, or this club. I think you'll feel more at home supporting one of those clubs. Good luck in the future mate! :thumbsup:
 
Hortor

I don't really think people outside of the Catalans give a **** about this Catalan identity or culture?!?!?!

The fans are here to watch good soccer and that is what brings us together not your identity. I became a fan due to Ronnie and thought this was a good club but now that I get to know more of it I sense a lot of politics are involved in the club which is not good. One simple opinion is the favoritism for Catalans over any other player. Obviously, this is going to happen to a certain extent but you guys idolize them so much that Puyol is always the MOTM even if he is not even on the pitch.
This is really something. I don't know if you noticed, but this club is FROM BARCELONA, and first and foremost this is the club of the people of Barcelona. We foreigners are just visitors, if we don't like something we are allowed to leave, but we don't have the right to dictate how things should be done in somebody elses' backyard.
 
Nah, that's not how you do it Barcoslav. I'll show you how:

Hortor

I don't really think people outside of the Catalans give a **** about this Catalan identity or culture?!?!?!

The fans are here to watch good soccer and that is what brings us together not your identity. I became a fan due to Ronnie and thought this was a good club but now that I get to know more of it I sense a lot of politics are involved in the club which is not good. One simple opinion is the favoritism for Catalans over any other player. Obviously, this is going to happen to a certain extent but you guys idolize them so much that Puyol is always the MOTM even if he is not even on the pitch.
This post is so filled with ignorance that it makes me want to vomit. Seriously kid, your sickening nationalism is getting tiresome. Marquez gets the stick he deserves, and I do hope a good offer comes for him and he gets sold. He's not the same, he's slow and has lapses in concentration, he gets knocks easily and most importantly he doesn't seem focused on his job. He comes to practice from the airport since his girlfriend lives in Madrid. And at times he is late of course. We don't need these kind of cancers. It has nothign to do with Catalan identity, which is very important mind you. IF you think otherwise, then you should educate yourself on the history of this club.

And Bojan is better than Giovani, get over it. It's evident to everyone nowadays, and he's a more humble kid. I do hope we keep Gio though, as I see potential in him and a will to prove himself. Hopefully under proper guidance he will develope into a great player.

And Puyol does get the criticism he deserves. But compared to Marquez, he still fights and he doesn't show up to practice late from the airport.

Now if you don't like this, you could always go support Madrid, a club where your sommersault bozo with a fake doctor ID is a legend.

We foreigners are just visitors, if we don't like something we are allowed to leave, but we don't have the right to dictate how things should be done in somebody elses' backyard.
Then what do you think Cruyff is doing?

This joke is for Rauffman.

Anyway this club was founded by foreigners.
 
It was formed by foreigners LIVING IN BARCELONA. Anyway, the foreigners brought the game to Spain, in cosmopolitan Bilbao and Barcelona they were quick to understand the beauty of the game, when it was presented by the foreigners, but in Madrid they waited for the Catalan brothers to bring them the game.

It was founded by foreigners, but due to the twists of the history the club became a national institution for the local people, one of the rare means for the local people to express their national identity in centralised dictatorship state, but anyway I'm sure you know that.
 
Hortor

I don't really think people outside of the Catalans give a **** about this Catalan identity or culture?!?!?!

The fans are here to watch good soccer and that is what brings us together not your identity. I became a fan due to Ronnie and thought this was a good club but now that I get to know more of it I sense a lot of politics are involved in the club which is not good. One simple opinion is the favoritism for Catalans over any other player. Obviously, this is going to happen to a certain extent but you guys idolize them so much that Puyol is always the MOTM even if he is not even on the pitch.
That's the beauty of it, eh? To have the option to choose why to support. But don't you think it would be foolish not to acknowledge the background of the club and its effects even though they wouldn't relate to you straight away... The context matters and exists whether some people give a f about it or not, don't you think? One does understand one's surroundings better that way, I'd think.

In essence, these are the things that make football such an interesting sport. And Barça even more so.

Anyways, this topic will probably always raise some discussion and I do hope it continues. Thanks for the welcomes Culéd and Dekalog and I do enjoy reading your posts as well as Barcoslav's. Cheers for you!
 
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