1) Red Star..Only the few selected, lucky ones cheer for PFC
2) Used to be the Army's club, yes.
3) They always did and will..


Hope that helps

 

1 Only paranoid people support P-zan, so yes the most popular team in Serbia is Red Star Belgrade!
3 Actually Red Star has been considered the Serbian team for decades now and during the communist era nationalism was a big taboo, so you think about what that made us.

BTW, one of Serbia's main U21 prospects is rumoured to have signed for CSKA next season, Milos Krasic. Any news about that CSKA?

 

Well, unfortunately Serbia is plagued by a mental condition known as "Red Star fan". The psychiatrists are working on it p

Of course Zvezda started out with a strong affiliation with the communist party (obviously), I think they were intitially founded by folks from the youth socialist union or something, though I'm not quite sure about that.

 

Ok, here are the facts. As our jealous and disgruntled grobar brothers like to talk. Contrary to what they say, that:
1-Red Star IS Serbia's most popular team.
2-It was more affiliated with the people, unlike the "army" team and Franjo Tudjman supported Partizan. So for Serb nationalism it was Red Star that was the voice of the people. So next time you see a grobar ask him where the bust of tudjman is in their trophy room? :tongue:

 

thanks for the info.


and i duno about CSKA signing a top serb propect, ill try to look into it tho.

 

For Andrija: It was "Savez studentske omladine" to be precise.

For Deki: Zvezda was not a club supported by nationalists. It came later, in the mid 80s, when Serbia was flooded by a sort of cheap populistic nationalism which became almost state ideology. This nationalistic trend persists today among younger Zvezda's fans who see Zvezda as sinonimous with Serbia and who reject the idea of Jugoslavija. Old Zvezda, the one from good old days of glory, was a more mondialistic club then a nationalistic club. Supporting Zvezda in Belgrade was a matter of being cool ("smeker") and being a burgeoa decendent more than enything else. Partizan fans were more aligned with the regime and the communist ideology. This does not mean that Zvezda as a club were in opposition, they were also lead by party members. However, Zvezda's fan base was overwhelmingly against the communist regime whereas Partizan's was pro-communists. Nationalism was very little present among both clubs.

However, this anti-nationalistic view of Zvezda was only in Serbia. Outside of Serbia (e.g., Croatia) Zvezda was perceived as a top Belgrade club, a top Serbian club and thus viewed as a rival to Croatian clubs. Since Croatians always identified Belgrade and Serbs in general as antithesis of their state, language and any other endevor, Zvezda had a similar status among them. Serbs that lived in Croatia reciprocated with this feeling. For them, Zvezda was a symbol of Serbiandom. For many of them, supporting Zvezda was a matter of national identity. And that sentiment spread later into Serbia when nationalism became top agenda of the everyday life.

 

interesting

 

very well said Ben. Same story can be applied in the begining to the 2 big Croatian teams in a sense.

 

From experience in this town where I live, almost all Serbs from what used to be known as Krajina support Zvezda but the Serbs from northern Croatia in Slavonija are in the majority of being Partizan fans. I'm interested in knowing why.

 

Depends who went to Draza and who to Tito. The former are more pro-Zvezda (e.g., Knin and around it). Tha latter are more pro-Partizan.

 

Very true Ben. Southern areas of Krajina were mainly Zvezda and even OFKA Beograd whereas North was mainly Partizan but it did stem alot on what side your familyfought on in WWII. Although everybody from what I recall as a kid cheered for any Belgrade team that played against Dinamo or Hajduk.

 

After my recent episode of ignorance I've been reading up on these teams red star may have on the european 12/13 years ago but my heart says Partizan.

:depress: i'm scared of this forum....:depress:

 

Always follow your heart

:depress: i'm scared of this forum....:depress:

Why ? We won't bite, I promise!

 

Unmarino must be a neo-Titoist.

 

Labels from the past...pff...all that says is that his mental condition is stable p

 

Unmarino must be a neo-Titoist.

And you must be a hardcore-"City Records" Pink-ist.

prijatelji, braco, kumovi..

 

...jaraniiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

 

jedan-dva, jedan-dva, ajmo mala ti i ja..

Saban Sabanovic for presidente!

 

Whoever is more popular is irrelevant. However what I do know is that a Strong Partizan and a Strong Red Star means inevitably a strong national team. And thats what we all want isn't it??

 

Labels from the past...

How can neo-Titoist be a label from the past - beats me. (Must be some neo-Paljak logic.)

Fleka,

Strong league is a necessary, but not the sufficient condition for a successful NT. Our past indicates that strong clubs did not always suffice for the national team to excell. Such conditions did exist until 60s, when the federal state had a strong input into the FA policy since it was a matter of state prestige to have a strong NT. At that time, interes of clubs were subordinated to the interes of the NT. Thus, the NT had strong shows in major world competitions and the clubs were strong. However, when the state influence over the FA (and the rest of the affairs) decreased at the expense of local and regional politics, the NT went down while clubs kept being strong. We had Dinamo wining the Fairs Cup, "P-zan" playing in the final of the Championship Cup, Zvezda wining it, and playing in the finals of the UEFA Cup + very good shows of other clubs in the UEFA Cup. And yet, the NT had no major success considering the huge potential and number of players they had.

 

Over the years we really have underachieved, or choked or what ever you want to call it. Our sides used to consistently make the latter stages of european and international tournaments only to mess up when it really matters or some sort of crazy misfortune that stops us winning trophies. Why can't our footballers be like any of our over more successful sports.

 

well Serbia produces the best talent in Europe, its just that the players get nervous and choke in lots of big matches.

 

Ben makes a good point in the past when we did have a strong team the big yugoslavia could never win anything big. Actually, the closest thing that we got was the EC back in the 1st one and the later one in the 70's?-both being in the finals. The most disappointing thing was WC 98, where I still believe we could of taken it, but it didn't go. I still think our basic fault is that we don't have dicipline that goes along in the major tournaments. I'll say it again, even though maybe petko is doing his job well, if we had a forign coach(and if we could afford one)to put discipline and teamlike tactics into our NT game then there can be a strong turnaround. Right now, I don't think just b/c our league is really weak it can be the factor of why out NT is not doing well, Its the disipline, and teamwork tactics that will you the big games.

 

Deki, the last success of our NT was the bronze in the 1984 Olympics in LA. The last European Champinship final that our team played was in 1968. In the 1976 EC, our NT was 4th. After that we did not play major role in any of the world, European and Olympic tournaments; we actually never qualified for OG after 1984. Now thinking of all great players that played for the NT since 1976: Dzajic, Oblak, Bajevic, Maric, Acimovic, Surjak, Buljan, Bogicevic, Pavlovic, Jerkovic, Katalinski, Zajec, Karasi, Stepanovic, Popivoda, Muzinic, Sljivo, Vladic, Sliskovic, Vujovic, O. Petrovic, Zungul, Halilhodzic, N. Stojkovic, Pancev, Susic, Boban, Ivkovic, Bazdarevic, Prosinecki, Savicevic, Mijatovic, Piksi, Jugovic, Mihajlovic, Jokanovic, Djukic,..... to mention the few, and yet we were able to do nothing. With players like those, a good coach and a decent FA could win a World Cup.

 

Success?

What about,

"Champions:
The 1987 FIFA World Youth Championship in Chile was graced by a terrific Yugoslavia team. Mirko Josic's superb side deservedly lifted the trophy after regaling the crowds throughout the competition with a fanciful and effective display of footballing genius. In the first round alone they found the net 12 times in three games, and when the going got tough - a goal down against holders Brazil in the quarter-final - they raised their game to triumph 2-1. Again in the Final they showed their pluck to win a penalty shoot-out against the West Germans. Many members of this magnificent team went on to become household names: Robert Prosinecki - Zvonimir Boban - Davor Suker - Predrag Mijatovic. At the back too, players like Igor Stimac, Robert Jarni and Branko Brnovic were irreproachable, as technically gifted as they were composed."