have pele and garrincha and win bakc to back world cups

 

Impossible, even if they win the next world cup. Simply because their game is not beautiful enough for that status, also there is no charismatic big star like player... if they had Messi or Cristiano, and were going to win the next world cup while playing an attacking beautiful game then yes.

 

Impossible, even if they win the next world cup. Simply because their game is not beautiful enough for that status, also there is no charismatic big star like player... if they had Messi or Cristiano, and were going to win the next world cup while playing an attacking beautiful game then yes.

so xavi, iniesta are not big stars

cassilas all time top 15 gk
puyol as top 50 greatest central defenders ever

if you rate teams by beauty you dont have a clue about football

 

The status of Brazil 70 for the most part is because of the way they played and because they had the best player of the world at that time.

 

Spain 2008 was a completely different team.

 

Far from completely different.

Casillas
Ramos
Xavi
Villa
Iniesta
Silva

Are still integral parts of the current side, as they were in 2008.

 

No, Xavi, Iniesta and Casillas are no stars of the kind you are expecting...


and I am not rating any team by beauty, I am just saying to be an all time great you need to play beautifully, it matters more in this regard.
There are more talks about Holland 74 than Germany.
More about Brazil 82 than Italy 82.

 

Agree, yes sad but true for the most part. Euro 2008 was a beautiful tournament for the Spanish.

 

Comprehensive drug tests.

 

Quite funny seeing a Russian consistently call for drug tastes of non-Russian players/teams.

 

 

just win 2 of the next 3 competitions but i dont see it happening.

 

Win the next World Cup without losing a match and by dominating...
That'd give them a good case

 

Yup and beat every team 5-0 along the way.

 

They lack a star forward someone who really attacks the defenders rather than just pass.

 

euro 2008 looks good in hindsight, maybe because Spain went on to win the next world cup and euros in a less entertaining fashion that is why people think euro 2008 was good. At the time most people thought Holland and Russia were more beautiful to watch.

Also probably because Barcelona hadn't raised the expectations yet with their tiki taka.

 

Spain played beautifully in 08 but what they showed there was that they could get down and grind a result if that's what's needed too for the first time in their history, e.g. v Italy.

And it's not really their fault most of the time since opposing teams almost always play very defensively against them. They can rip you apart if you let them dance like it's the 60's too, as Italy found out last year.

 

What now? Spain disregarded because of their lack of Top forwards, but it doesn't matter they steam-rolled Italy in Euro finals. Style of play, they still managed to win three major tournaments in a row, who's to say there is not more.

But the biggest is they are disregarded, because Messi and Ronaldo weren't Spanish. Would've done much better for those two rather than Spain itself if they were Spanish, they'd atleast be celebrating major international trophies.

 

Unless they win the Confederations Cup then they're nothing in my book

 

It's gonna be extremely hard to argue against if they win the next World cup.

Winning the Euros twice in a row and the World cup twice in a row, over a 6 year span.

Can't argue that, imo.

 

If they win Confederations Cup 2013 they will become third nation in history of all team sports who achieved to win in a row three different most important international tournaments.

1.Italy National Waterpolo Team (Olympic games 1992, Euro 1993, World Cup 1994)

2.France National Handball Team (Olympic games 2008, World Cup 2009, Euro 2010)

3.Spain National Football Team (World Cup 2010, Euro 2012, Confederation ???)

 

Confederations Cup an important tournament? Sorry, but that must be a joke. It is a meaningless tournament by all accounts.

 

Brazil 82 ll always be the geratest NT.

 

LOL for what? They did not even reached semis

 

There are only two important tournaments for European nationalteams. Confed Cup or Olympics don't count. No need to make up a third one when it doesn't exist.

 

olympics dont count because its junior competition but confederation cup is important. 1000nd thing on the world is always more important than 1001st.

 

They can't do anything more because it's over.
ps the Confederations Cup is a Mickey Mouse trophy.

 

If they win Confederations Cup 2013 they will become third nation in history of all team sports who achieved to win in a row three different most important international tournaments.

1.Italy National Waterpolo Team (Olympic games 1992, Euro 1993, World Cup 1994)

2.France National Handball Team (Olympic games 2008, World Cup 2009, Euro 2010)

3.Spain National Football Team (World Cup 2010, Euro 2012, Confederation ???)

i wrote this above for statistical purposes

ps.....mickey mouse is in dysneyland while Olympics, Meediterranean games etc. are not

 

Il wrongo Homesmoina!

of course they had achievements. Despite not winning the world cup, they have made billions admire them for years and years and talk about them until today.

They may not have won the main trophy, but they are more talked about than the winners to this day.

Same goes for Holland 74 and hungary 54.

As you were not born and you din't see how they played at the time, you would be the last person I would ask an opinion on that:yess:

 

TBH Brazil were a pretty odd team, sort of chic and shock, because they had extraordinary players and average if not poor players. For example I have yet to understand what were Valdir Peres and Serginho doing in that team. And it is not as if Leandro, Oscar, Luizinho and Eder were world beaters.

 

Leandro was definitly a world beater.

Best right back i have ever seen play:thumbsup:

Valdir Peres was butter fingers:yuck:

 

Oscar, Eder, Luizinho and Leandro not world beaters? Oscar and Luizinho were left alone in the defense and even so, that brazil team allowed only 1 goal less than Italy, which we know is highly praised in europe. Oscar is a great central defender. Luizinho career in NT suffered from the same thing Cerezo suffered: being out of Rio and São Paulo he was blammed for it and altougth he outplayed Edinho, Aldair, Julio Cesar during the 80's, he was hardly called again. Leandro was a great right back and Eder? You must be joking no? Dirceu was a worst version of him and had a regular career in serie A, he is the real greatest free kicker of Brazil and only stayed here because Italy didnt had enough money to take him and Cerezo at sametime.

 

Oscar, Eder, Luizinho and Leandro not world beaters? Oscar and Luizinho were left alone in the defense and even so, that brazil team allowed only 1 goal less than Italy, which we know is highly praised in europe. Oscar is a great central defender. Luizinho career in NT suffered from the same thing Cerezo suffered: being out of Rio and São Paulo he was blammed for it and altougth he outplayed Edinho, Aldair, Julio Cesar during the 80's, he was hardly called again. Leandro was a great right back and Eder? You must be joking no? Dirceu was a worst version of him and had a regular career in serie A, he is the real greatest free kicker of Brazil and only stayed here because Italy didnt have enough money to take him and Cerezo at sametime.

Italy didn't buy players, the Italian clubs did.
Easily the clubs who could be interested in Eder didn't have the money and the clubs who had the money were not interested in Eder.
I strongly doubt Roma ever thought to buy both Cerezo and Eder for the simple reason that they already had Falcao and no more than two foreign players were allowed. Juventus had the money to buy all the Eders of the world but simply prefered two better foreign players such as Boniek and Platini. Dirceu was bought by Verona, who were not particularly rich. They later in the 80s won a scudetto with two very good foreign players who had been very cheap and a bunch of rejects of the richer clubs. Dirceu instead moved to a struggling Napoli, then to minor clubs such as Avellino, Ascoli and Como in which he built a solid reputation.
Back to Eder and the other "world beaters", I really don't know about them as they never played in serie A and at the time there were very few games of the Brazilian leagues which were broadcasted in Italy. I can tell you what is my feeling about them from the little I watched of the Brazilian NT and of course that Italy-Brazil and random games of Brazilian clubs.

Leandro was definitly a world beater.

Best right back i have ever seen play:thumbsup:

So Tele Santana really had a Ferrari and lost to a FIAT.

BTW Most of the players of the Italian NT probably peaked in the world cup 1982. The results before and after it seem to confirm this feeling.

 

I never said anything about Roma wanting Eder (they could not use him anyways) and yes, Juventus had the money but got two players (Boniek is not better than Eder, it is all about peanuts), but the truth is, with Cerezo sell, Atletico just had money to hold any other attempt and considering Serie A flew over guys like Pedrinho, Edinho, Batista, the bench of that brazilian team, if they had money to fly higher for Eder and Leandro they would.

And nobody should dismiss the italian team as bad (to homes, the 1954 Hungary team played with Korea, a B side of German, Brasil before being Brasil, Uruguay and lost to german, 1982 team had Soviet Union, Scotland, New Zeland, Former world champion with Maradona and Italy, that is probally why people put this Brazilian team in the high like other great non-world champion sides) so it is hardly a Fiat.

And Result wise, Spain can go as the must efficient european NT so far, etc. Another cup may raise this argument, but the best NT is more about how it is played, and spain so far, specially in the World Cup was precise but not impressive. If they won a cup giving a new show, maybe things change.

 

Boniek is not better than Eder

oh lawd, oh lawd

And Result wise, Spain can go as the must efficient european NT so far, etc. Another cup may raise this argument, but the best NT is more about how it is played

so, results aren't important when judging how good a team is. teams playing a certain way, the way you like it, is. hmm, interesting.

 

What is this bullshit,winning team always has to be the best.

This logic works in a league format where over a whole season,the best team most often happens to be the ones that wins it even you can have little exceptions there too.

I am talking about quality of the team,the way the players are integrated into the style of play,most opinions here are typical of analyzing the event after the result instead of the other way around.

 

I am talking about quality of the team

you're not talking about the quality of the team. you're talking about the attacking quality of the team. and you've that confused with overall quality of the team.

anyone who thinks brazil 82 is a candidate for the best-ever team mantle doesn't know much about the sport. they are the attack-loving fanboy types.

 

You confund playing defensively with playing with a good defense. That team, with 2 defenders basically conceded only 1 goal less at that same stage and yet, Italy has a great defense. This because that team overall attacking capacity obviously put down the adversaries offensive power. 1982 was excellent and being offensive does not mean that could not defend.

 

There is nothing separate as defence,trying to stop and break up play is necessary but it cant be the only thing to do.

You are on the pitch trying to beat the opposition and score a goal,otherwise why are so many people wasting time watching you?