We should also score as many goals as possible vs andorra, Like legit Playing home vs the minnows 3-4 strikers no question.

Another 8-0 would be nice

We still need to be careful with Estonia, I saw their game vs holland, they actually played deace

 

For the game against Estonia, which will be anything BUT easy, both bc Estonia will come fired up, and because they are a good team, who went to playoffs last time, and because it comes after BUcharest.

I would change as many players as possible, both as "punishment", and to let a fresher roster show themselves - we saw how Szabics and Lovi had more enthusiasm when they came in, were not so burdened by the game today.

Vili - Korcsmar - Guzmics - Kadar
Varga/Elek/Senkinho
Lovi - Hajnal/Senkinho - Juji
Szabics - Nemo

Yes, Guzmics, because he needs this vote of confidence, and because he was one of our better defenders, besides that mistake. No need to kill him for a mistake. He's very young. He worked a lot, and had some good moves. Korcsmar needed in the center tehre, Liptak slow. Nothing especially bad to say about Vili and Kadar. Annoying that we do not have options for Varga. Nor for Hajnal. But Jozsi might be injured. Anyway, I would certainly play Nemo and Szabics, we need that freshness and yes, a complementary duo up front. Although Koman plays together better with Nemo, I would maybe put him in after the break.

Something needs to be refreshed for that game, game that will not be easy.

 

Guzmics is not very young... hes 26!

I'd go with...

------------------------------Bogdan--------------------------------

Fiola------------Guzmics-------------------Kadar---------------Laczko

------------------------------Varga----------------------------------

Lovi--------------------------Hajnal-------------------------Dzsudzsak

--------------Szalai--------------------Nemo-------------------------

If Varga is injured, I'd bring in Gyomber as the DM.

 

I dont even care about this game Im not going to watch it.

The only way we could make it is if romania loose to turkey, tie or loose to estoni, it wont happen Romania will beat Turkey and Estonia.

At least Every turni from now on the top 3 of each group make it, So we have a chance

 

Who is talking about making it to the WC '14? Wherefrom this hype? Whoever said that we were supposed to make it? That is just hype. We were not supposed to make it.

What I am looking for, is seeing how the team changes, develops. It is not ready for WC yet, in my opinion. I am more interested in seeing them develop.

 

I believe a better coach would have been able to prepare and put out a team better then what Egervari has done

 

We were about 4 minutes away from beating Holland but then were screwed over by the ref who gave a very harsh penalty alm:...we will miss several key players in Hungary now including the 2 goal hero Vassiljev.

 

we will lose this one to Estonia. at least we can get rid of Mausi like that

 

Just came here to post that.

I would be happy to lose this game just for that.

I'm sure we could win with Eggman's team. But we're going nowhere fast with him. He should be sacked, just like ETO sacked him!

 

Egervari is a very poor tactician, sure. But he's not a disaster of a coach. Right we could be doing much better, but we also could be doing a hell of a lot worse. I fear that if we get rid of Egervari, we wouldn't get anyone better. Who would you appoint?

 

I would appoint a foreigner. someone like Sousa or Bölöni but that won't happen. I have a feeling Géza will be knocking on the door soon

 

No way. Egervari was hired to lead the Nt to the Euro '16. He should continue until then. "Changing people" is not the miraculous solution. He is meant to shepherd the Nt until the system reform kicks into gear, and the first results are seen - which is about 2016. Bythat time, he would have witnessed two generation changes. One happened when he took over, in 2010. He changed the generations, and has brought in a new - and much better - NT.

As I said before the game, and after the CZ game, I feel that the performances of this past year show that this generation might have reached a performance ceiling. Of course, Gera returning will actually have a serious impact, believe it or not, but overall we need of course more choices. So , as said, this should be the watermark to start the second generation change, not by actually "changing" players, but by adding new layers to the existing good core. The Adorjans and Kovacses of the world. But that will take a good year or so. It's a process, they are still kids learning the game, but the process needs to be started. You can't just throw them in there, as showed by KOvacs, a talented kid otherwise, running like a deer in the headlights on the field in Nt games. Experience takes some time, the formation of a player is through high quality games played for a prolonged time - so hopefully more and more players will get that, mostly abroad.

Neither the team nor the manager needs to be buried. Real fans stand by the team - while , of course, being necessarily critical but reasoned (and how can you not be, after this awful performance). I find thrashing them so unappealing.

I look forward to the continued development of the Nt. This was a necessary cold shower, perhaps - we've been coasting on mediocre results for a year or so. Just do not let it be a trauma.

Oh, and Guzmics is young , relatively speaking - as in inexperienced in international/Nt level foci. He was clearly emotionally struck at that mistake. even if he performed well afterward. I did not want to say it, but in one of the videos before the game, taken in National Arena, you could see Guzmics being interviewed and saying how the weight of the game starts being felt - you could notice the emotional burden building and weighing him, negatively. Well, it was true, and it affected his very first minute.

 

No way. Egervari was hired to lead the Nt to the Euro '16. He should continue until then. "Changing people" is not the miraculous solution. He is meant to shepherd the Nt until the system reform kicks into gear, and the first results are seen - which is about 2016.

2016? You mean when every country in Europe will be allowed to qualify? Are there even 24 countries in Europe? I mean serious ones.

 

We are pathetic. In the last 7 games we have won 1 (kuwait 1-0). And our goals have been coming from penalties and defenders. We are a joke. I hope Estonia demolish us. And the fans do not go to the game. The nt team does not deserve fans after their recent results. And to say our goal was not to qualify is just a bitch of an excuse. Every country should be aiming for qualification.

We have been waiting since 86 , I think we have had enough time for a reform in the nt. Simple fact is that our players just aren't good enough bar a few exceptions. I feel sorry for all those fans that travelled to Romania to watch that disgusting performance. I think our u21s or women's nt would have played better.

 

We are pathetic. In the last 7 games we have won 1 (kuwait 1-0). And our goals have been coming from penalties and defenders. We are a joke.

Xactly

 

Meszoly Geza? I like Pisont as a person, and he's had good results, but that is a different level.

Again, I was just saying that Egri's mission is to qualify the team to 2016. Of course poeple wanted results earlier - and especially the players, the management - but I always said that I do not expect this to happen.

And "reform" is an empty word if it just means, something, somebody, somehow, must change. There was no systemic change in Hu foci until three years, ago, except the academies started in the 2000s. No everything is changing - from infrasturcture to rules to preparation. But, but, but - the kids who are growing up in the new system are barely in their teens, some a bit more. As said, I am waiting to see some real marks by the middle of the decade. Germany's complete system overhaul (we've discussed it many times, I also posted online their reform strategy) also took at least half a decade. And they were starting from a better position anyhow. 2018 should be a good place to really see thorough overhaul, but I expect results earlier.

http://www.origo.hu/attached/20110228strategia.pdf

Let's just take two elements:
- stadium building: they are on target with that
- training of coaches, at all level: I do not know, but I do not see that happening, not visibly; I know they are doing it, as I am reading about training and continuing education at national level for all NB1 etc coaches, but I would like to see the younger ones come up; also, the key would be to have very well prepared coaches at youth level, and I mean preparing the 12 year olds, at local level, at various clubs. That was one of the important components of both the German and the Spanish model. BUt that is something we can not see ":through the internet" - you need to be in the system, on the ground, to perceive that.

Anyhow, I am quite optimistic - and pragmatically so, not based on some fantasies - because this is the first time I have ever seen a country from Central Eastern Europe re-structuring their entire foci culture.

Of course, the fans want results now, immediately - it won't happen. This is why I did not expect them to qualify this time, because it would have been unrealistic, notwithstanding the clear improvement of the NT. The thinness of the Nt roster proves that the waves of young, prepared players have not yet come out of the system. Still some time until then.

 

Mészöly, yep.

Mausburgi's mission in first place is to be a puppet of the szakma as trainer of the NT. he will never qualify for 2016 either doesnt matter how much they igérgetnek just as the commie party did back in the days. ok, unless we get San Marino, Andorra, Liechtesntein and Faroe Islands in our group at once, we have a chance to end up one of best 3rd place teams and go to play-offs.

there haven't been any reforms whatsover nor improvements since Szakma-Mausi took over. some luck here and there, but that's it.

naturalize Bikfalvi, Holender, Meleg and Vinicius NOW!

and bring back Huszti and Leandro of course.

 

Estonia's squad:

Az észt válogatott Magyarországra utazó kerete

Kapusok:
12 Mihkel Aksalu (07.11.1984) - Seinäjoen Jalkapallokerho (FIN) 10/0
22 Artur Kotenko (20.08.1981) - FK Dnepr Mogilev (BLR) 27/0
1 Sergei Pareiko (31.01.1977) - FC Volga Nhizhny Novgorod (RUS) 48/0

Védők:
4 Alo Bärengrub (12.02.1984) - Nõmme JK Kalju 42/0
17 Enar Jääger (18.11.1984) - Lierse SK (BEL) 97/0
20 Gert Kams (25.05.1985) - Seinäjoen Jalkapallokerho (FIN) 27/2
15 Ragnar Klavan (03.10.1985) - FC Augsburg (GER) 87/2
5 Dmitri Kruglov (24.05.1984) - Levadia Tallinn 86/2
3 Mikk Reintam (22.05.1990) - JJK Jyväskylä (FIN) 5/0
23 Taijo Teniste (31.01.1988) - Sogndal Fotball (NOR) 22/0

Középpályások:
2 Joel Lindpere (05.10.1981) - Chicago Fire (USA) 89/6
19 Siim Luts (12.03.1989) - IFK Norrköping (SWE) 13/0
16 Sergei Mošnikov (07.01.1988) - Górnik Zabrze (POL) 16/0
7 Sander Puri (07.05.1988) - York City (ENG) 52/3
18 Ats Purje (03.08.1985) - Kuopion Palloseura (FIN) 43/4
13 Martin Vunk (21.08.1984) - JK Sillamäe Kalev 57/1

Csatárok:
21 Jarmo Ahjupera (13.04.1984) - Újpest (HUN) 21/1
8 Henri Anier (17.12.1990) - Motherwell FC (SCO) 9/3
9 Tarmo Kink (06.10.1985) - Győri ETO FC (HUN) 75/5
11 Henrik Ojamaa (20.05.1991) - Legia Warszawa (POL) 12/0
10 Sergei Zenjov (20.04.1989) - FK Karpaty Lviv (UKR) 27/5

 

HUN 0-2 EST

 

Our boys know they are out of it..so why go all out..we lose by 2-1.

 

Our boys know they are out of it..so why go all out..we lose by 2-1.

Eesti will gift us an own goal?

 

the last time we lost at home to Estonia, in front of 527 spectators, our mindenkori coach of the days got the sack roud:

 

but if it happens this time, we will get a nice drawing

like this

 

What the **** mate?

What does it say?

 

our actual NT coach Egervári (Mausburger), when he used to be coach at ETO Győr and got sacked, he didn't agree with the sacking of course and left that drawing on his desk. it says "that's how much the staff here is worth"

 

At best I think it will be 1-1. But if we play like against Romania 2-0. I won't be waking up at 4am to watch this game that's for sure.

 

The challenge is about getting over the previous game. I frankly am a bit puzzled of the big emphasis on the ROmania game. It was simply over-over-hyped. The way the draw went in our qualifying group, the three teams fighting for the second spot, RO, Tur, Hu, had the straightforward mission of winning at home, and snatching some points away. As said, we lost this competition by drawing at home against Ro, when we had the victory, deservedly, in our hands. Winning away was never really the task. Why make this into such an important game. It was never that, objectively.

True, the Hu NT played in Koeman-era-like defeatist manner, which is probably the most disappointing (and uncharacteristic) thing, for this bunch. I guess that's what annoys and hurts people. I agree with that.

Anyway, I am looking forward to the Estonia game. This Nt has stood up before, after a stinging defeat, so should it now. After all, both Hu and Ro Nt lost at home to Netherland - at home! - with friggin' 1:4! Ridiculous. (And Ro away by 0:4 , btw.) Estonia showed them both.

The lesson from the RO game is that the roster is much too thin, especially in our usually strong section, the midfield. And that they have been putting up with mediocre performances, in friendlies especially, for quite a while.

Yep, I am looking forward to the Est game. What I do not want to see, though, is the Koeman-era-like defeatism. I guess that is what annoyed most of the fans, more than anything... and why this Nt has been different, as proven by the many times it has turned a negative result into a positive. I hope this positive trait does not get lost in the noise.

Turkey lead in Budapest in minute 21.
CBvwz4fmZhc

 

The challenge is about getting over the previous game. I frankly am a bit puzzled of the big emphasis on the ROmania game. It was simply over-over-hyped. The way the draw went in our qualifying group, the three teams fighting for the second spot, RO, Tur, Hu, had the straightforward mission of winning at home, and snatching some points away. As said, we lost this competition by drawing at home against Ro, when we had the victory, deservedly, in our hands. Winning away was never really the task. Why make this into such an important game. It was never that, objectively.

It may not have started as a huge game, but by blowing it at home we turned it into that, a game certainly deserving of the hype. Even putting the politics of it aside.

True, the Hu NT played in Koeman-era-like defeatist manner, which is probably the most disappointing (and uncharacteristic) thing, for this bunch. I guess that's what annoys and hurts people. I agree with that.

It's not that we lost, but how we lost. Showing absolutely nothing (besides Bogdan). No heart/fight, no determination, no teamwork and even no skill. The reaction on this forum is entirely justified I think. You can't pin it on the typical magyar way of thinking we are horrible, because we actually were. There's no way to spin anything positive out of this performance at all.

Anyway, I am looking forward to the Estonia game.

Not so sure I am. Of course we move on because that's the only choice, but this team just doesn't deserve to qualify. Imagine going to the WC and playing like this?alm:

My view of the Romania game was that Romania's strikers were actually very skillful and fast..

That's only cuz they were going up against our pathetic defense.

 

What should make you job a bit easier is that Estonia is missing 3 starters because of suspensions, including our best player Vassiljev (who scored both goals vs Holland).

 

Hey guys,

My view of the Romania game was that Romania's strikers were actually very skillful and fast and Hungary should have dropped deeper in the first half. The first goal was basically a stupid mistake by a Hungary player but Marica was also very good and fast and there was hardly no cover from any other defenders. Not the best start to a game, especially in a hostile venue like Romania....

However, a win here is needed.

What changes do you guys expect Alexander to be making? Surely the Korcsmár in midfield experiment is over now? What XI do you think will start? Any new injuries? (My hungarian is really bad, otherwise I would check local papers :rollani

Good luck guys!

Looking forward to the game.

 

And also... Hajnal was not injured in the last game was he?

I think and hope he should start here.

 

Egri said that he will make the team selection based on the attitude, mental state, and role in the team of the given players. IN other words, that he will prefer motivated players , and players who have that effect that they pull the team together (leaders), to just purely the footballing abilities criteria. Since he also mentioned Gabi Kiraly, I think he will use Kiraly in goal. That is fine, although by now I am convinced that, just by virtue of age, Bogdan is the better keeper choice in general for NT.

Along the same lines, I think he will also use Hajnal, who is balancing, experienced figure. Although for me is not that midfield dynamo (except in the game vs Turkey, for example - see the second goal, posted above) that the team always needs; one who is equally powerful in the attacking and defensive phase.

Also , Korcsmar can not play, bc of yellow, while Varga might be injured still. I do not think he will use GUzmics, although I would - he was one of our best defenders last game. BUt mentally he might be on the floor.

I expect something like

Vili - Liptak - ? - Kadar
?
Lovrencsics - Hajnal - Juji
Szalai - Bode/Szabics

What I would play... hard to say, so few choices available. But I would play Szabics and Nemo in attack, just because. To freshen things up. And definitely Lovi, Koman is a bit out of form, and we need the freshness factor.

 

Cool thanks for the message. So it seems there are pretty many doubts for the game.

Hope you do well!

 

1-1 draw. Will be just like that Finland game in 2011 when we had nothing to play for.