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UCL | 29/04/2008 | Manchester United v Barcelona, Old Trafford @ 19:45 BST

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UEFA Champions League: Tue 29th Apr, Old Trafford


Any sort of win puts us through, score draw is the minimum Barca need to progress so despite our incredible home record you can see why a lot of people feel they'll go through. I'm confident though that we can keep the winning run at home going, it's just too big a occasion for us to **** up, this is what SAF has been working at for nearly a decade and I don't think he'll have a better chance for a while. It's easy, win and we're in Moscow and I think we can sneak it by the odd goal, 3-2 to us, Ronaldo 2 and Scholesy scoring. :thumbsup:

What sort of team should we put out? I think the key will be to play a high pressure games to put Barca on the rack as early as possible in the game, we'll be in trouble if we let them dictate the play at our own place. Anderson would be vital to such a performance so him being taken off a bit earlier than usual with no sign of injury possibly points towards him starting on Tuesday. :thumbsup:

Anyway, this is a chance to do something that is lacking in our history, CL Finals. I'll be astounded if every man in red isn't super pumped for this, what an incredible opportunity this is. Come on Reds, don't let us down here, don't let yourselves down.
 
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---------------------VDS-----------------------

Brown-----Ferdinand------Vidic-------------Evra
Rooney---Carrick----------Scholes---------Park
----------------Tevez-------------------------




------------------------------Ronaldo--------

It almost worked last time. :D
 
#3 ·
---------------------VDS-----------------------

Brown-----Ferdinand------Vidic-------------Evra
Rooney---Carrick----------Scholes---------Park
----------------Tevez-------------------------




------------------------------Ronaldo--------

It almost worked last time. :D
:howler:
 
#16 ·
Barca were really bad last week when United played deep and defended as a unit, but I think Barca are worse when you put them on the backfoot and put pressure on them. That means having a midfield that can contain possesion i.e. Carrick, Scholes and Anderson, and an attacking force that will pressure the defender i.e. Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez. I wouldn't start Giggs at all, I think he has lost it. Fergie has to go for it, and not worry about Barca's forward line but I have a feeling he will still show too much respect to them.
 
#17 ·
or when you play physical with their runt of a midfield but can M.U. play that style?

beware of the Xavi hail mary goal.....
 
#18 ·
United have the players to play like that. Fletcher and Hargreaves don't mind being physical at all. On the downside it will mean one of Scholes, Carrick and Anderson won't start though and with Scholes and Carrick sitting deep in United's system, they will need Anderson to be the player that supports the forwards.
 
#19 ·
For f@ck's sake....even if we go down, might as well go down with gns blazing!!

No tinkering about or paying respect to the opposition by setting the formation to counter their strengths. Barca are coming to Old Trafford and they should have been shitting in their pants by the prospect. However, last week's effort would only have bolstered their confidence but the lads should let them know that they are in a game right from the first whistle.

We have greater unity among the squad and though there is very little to choose from regarding quality, United really should be capable of putting this game to bed within the first 45 minutes.


--------------------VDS-------------------------
Brown:(.......Rio...................Vida.........Evra.........
.........................Carrick...................................
..........Andershow.................Scholes/Giggs.................
Ronaldo..................................Rooney...................
.................Carlitos.......................................
 
#24 ·
Feck. That sucks. Vidic lost a tooth. I think all footballers should wear those mouth pieces boxers wear. Nico Kovac wears one.

I had an injury like Rooney's a few years back. That shit hurts like crazy. I can definitely relate to the pain he's feeling at the moment. You can't run or tackle because it hurts like a mofo.
 
#32 ·
Park is great I love him, but his is just not cut out for those huge matches, it was mistake playing him at nou camp IMO, the players that I don’t want to see in this game are park, with all due respect giggs, Silvestre, oshea and pique.

-------------------VDS---------------

-----Brown----Rio----Vida----Evra----

------------Anderson/Carrick----------

---RON--------Scholes-------Nani-----

-----------Rooney----Tevez----------

subs: kuzkazakatak, Owen, Anderson/Carrick, Fletcher and Giggs
 
#35 · (Edited)
I know most of you want to all attack but, this kind of line up i would like to have.

-----------------VDS------------------

Brown------Rio---------Vidic--------Evra

---------------Carrick-------------------

-----Owen---------------Scholes-------

-----Ronaldo----Tevez-----Rooney-------

Whatever happens I want Owen to play in the middle, as he is the one who does a lot of running and even wouldn't mind Fletcher instead of Carrick.Whoever plays in the middle they have some tough task stealing the ball from those guys, its really a tough job.

Games outcome should depend on which teams midfield does better.
I really don't care how we win as long as we go through to the finals.
 
#38 ·
We have to have players on the park that can pass a fn ball ! Our system in the first leg only looked so bad because we constantly gave the ball away and didnt allow our midfield to get up and support the forwards.

So Carrick has to play And Anderson has to play.

I like Manutd.com team but with anderson instead of scholes....
 
#44 ·
We have to have players on the park that can pass a fn ball ! Our system in the first leg only looked so bad because we constantly gave the ball away and didnt allow our midfield to get up and support the forwards.

your midfield were too scared to support the forwards, thye had plenty of time, the amount if times you had easy possession and Carrick and Scholes had nowehere to go with it because the wide players were not bombing on was untrue, I don't know why really because Barcelona don't break well at all anymore, even if you attack with numbers they give plenty of time to get back as they pass it about like a chess game.
 
#39 ·
Great article i came across last night:


Barcelona provide the lesson Control will always beat kick-and-hope
Craig Foster
April 27, 2008



After two Champions League games of wildly contrasting quality during the week, the conclusion must be that the finest football is still played on the Continent. Barcelona put on a masterclass against United to show how far English clubs still have to go in mastering a more sophisticated style of football.

The old English long-ball style no longer works internationally. It's the reason why England will be watching Euro 2008 with the rest of us.

The English Premier League has been reshaped at the top through foreign players and coaches, yet even they retain the worst elements of bash and crash.

The net effect is that Premier League clubs, Arsenal aside, have to alter their style in European competition, while the likes of Barcelona and Milan do not, because they have evolved a style that carries itself easily and successfully into any arena or competition.

United, on the other hand, went to Spain and looked like an English team trying to play like a Continental one - except they forgot that when the ball is won it should be kept.

They ended up with 35 per cent of possession and played 294 passes to Barcelona's mammoth 766, a football humbling which would have embarrassed Alex Ferguson, the one British manager trying to adapt to Continental methods.

It seems that when a superb team puts on a masterful display without scoring - or more precisely without capitalising on the opportunities they create - all the post-match talk is about their inability to complete the moves and the defending of United, but what about the pure quality and sophistication of Barca's play?

Here's a team that's out of form, and with Eto'o, Deco and Messi having played collectively very little football in the lead-in, yet it played so comfortably with the ball, showed such beautiful expression of the passing game and kept the ball away from United more artfully than any team has done for some time.

Forget that a goal was not forthcoming - had Eto'o not lately become a shadow of the player of yesteryear, there certainly would have been several - but marvel in the finest footballing performance of any team in Europe since the displays of AC Milan last year.

Recognise also the brilliance of Messi, the outstanding player on a pitch with hundreds of millions of euros of talent.

Yet when any team defends a result away and progresses over two legs, most will pronounce that the tie has been approached perfectly and the manager is a genius.

For me, this is fine if you are a lesser club playing sides with far greater technical skill and, in so doing, admitting an inferiority to another team.

But how does one reconcile that approach with a club the size and reputation of United? This was the greatest surprise; that Manchester United, who will almost certainly seal the Premier League title this weekend if not the next, were prepared to lie down and concede to the Catalans the territorial - and, I would say, the philosophical - superiority, and be content to sit behind the ball and defend and hope.

This is now a pattern with English clubs, with Chelsea and Liverpool regularly playing out boring affairs. It seems that to overcome the English tendency to play a non-tactical, physical game which no longer works, the foreign managers have had to resort to a completely opposite style.

The mystery is they must do so even with a great many foreign players who can step back into a Spanish or Italian team and adjust perfectly.

Yes, there is much to be admired in the elements which allowed United to escape with no breach of their goal. But the more defensive tactical strategies are designed for the inferior to compete with the superior - surely not for when two giants lock horns?

Think of it this way. In nature there is always the king of the jungle against whom all-comers must either test themselves and risk death, or adjust their behaviour to placate and, in so doing, admit defeat.

The list of (European) kings is now reduced to two, AC Milan and Barcelona, since in recent years Liverpool, Real Madrid, Juventus and now United have succumbed to the era of caginess, the decade of the backwards step.

And for those who offer the famed away leg as justification for fear, I cite the corresponding fixture last season between the Red Devils and the titleholders Milan, at Old Trafford.

This was an epic because Milan played not to survive but to prove they were greater than anyone in the world, on any pitch in the world.

Last year's five-goal blockbuster was memorable partly because Milan's proud approach made it so, while on Thursday only one team came to play. The other admitted weakness and looked to steal an away goal.

This week's return leg will be a classic but, like Milan last year, that will be largely because Barca would never go to Old Trafford and cower.

Source: The Sun-Herald

This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/...743316928.html