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Spanish clubs and bankruptcy

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#1 ·
Yeah, I know were this topic might lead. But I just saw the news of Racing Santander filing for bankruptcy. They will be the third Spanish first flight club doing that in just over a year. This don't mean the clubs go under, but they certainly have little to be pleased about.

1. Mallorca did it last year. Losing their place in europe.
2. Real Zaragoza did it in june (6th).
3. Today I read that Racing Santander announced it on their homepage.

While it is easy to point out the TV deals and the incredibly uneven playing field in Spain, the truth is that the clubs are not well run. Is no reason to spend over means just because you got less money.

I don't know that much about how clubs are run in Spain, but I guess this might be only tip of the iceberg?
 
#5 ·
I though Racing got taken over buy a rich guy at the beginning of the year ? Like what happened with Malaga.
 
#6 ·
Maybe somebody who followed it closely can correct it, but as far as I know (and I just skipped over the news about Racing), that rich guy never gave a cent to the club, he didn't even pay the previous owners with actual money, he paid with promises, technically he doesn't own the club now. This Indian millionaire was a fraud.


Actually there were some reports that a young Nepalese kid from Shillong impersonated as Indian millionaire and trolled Santander. Don't quote me on that, it's just rumored.
 
#12 ·
You are not saying anything I don't already know.

The new proposed collective TV deal is the same shit just wrapped in new package. Not much would change, for Barca and Madrid it would keep the present status quo; the proposed collective TV deal was nowhere near what it looks like in EPL. That's something your article doesn't say. Besides it was refused, as all clubs didn't agree to it.
 
#14 ·
I'm not writing a long, explanational post without being properly challanged with counterarguments. I'm not sacrificing half an hour of my time to explain my views writing long paragraphs for somebody, who says "XY is a must", without presenting some logical arguments or really understanding the whole picture of the issue. Posting a link, or saying "XY is a must, because I said so" is not enough.

It's fcuking hard for me to write in a foreign language, and I'm not doing the effort, if I see that other side is not trying hard enough either.
 
#16 ·
Before we talk about the current situation it would be good to know a bit of history.

Back in the mid 90s, all the clubs negotiated collective deals with the TVs. It was the beginning of the PPV era and the big bucks. At some point, there were 2 digital operators that started a bidding war for the TV rights and, in that situation, the mid class clubs decided that it was better for them to negotiate by themselves rather than trying the collective way.

At that point, all the clubs got amazing contracts and, if you are old enough, you will remember how the Spanish teams started to buy stars from everywhere, breaking the dominance in the market of the Italian teams. All the clubs started to pay huge amounts of money.

The problem appeared with the new deals. The 2 digital operators merged into one, giving them a stronger position, and they also had experience with the PPV. They realized that the 90% of the PPV demands were for the games of Barcelona and Real Madrid. Basically, the business was in these teams, not in every team. The value of the rights of Barcelona and Real Madrid was huge, but the rest was just a bubble.

In the early 2000s, the new TV deals had to be signed. While Barcelona and Madrid kept signing higher deals, the rest got frozen or were lower.

From then to know, things went in the same line. The TV operators know the real value of the rights of each club and some clubs, ironically, the ones of the mid class, wanted to go back to the previous situation. What's the problem? The problem is that some clubs have created an income-expense structure that is impossible to change from one day to the next.

Now add the element of a financial crisis and the lack of sponsors. The clubs that were using loans and credits to maintain their activity saw how the cash flow got restricted and the system collapsed.

Still, everyone should look at how the clubs have been managed through the years. Despite the restrictions, Villarreal and Sevilla had kept a smart and intelligent line, which allow them to keep a healthy situation. Others, like Valencia and Atletico, wasted the money. The smaller clubs do not have the resources to compete.

I also believe that the collective TV deal is necessary... but at the same time, it'd be necessary to do things step by step. Obviously, now Barcelona and Real Madrid protect their interest. Basically, they'd need to renounce to a lot of money now. Given their structure of expenses, you can't do this in 2 days or the risk is the collapse of the big clubs.

The new deal, as someone said, it's basically the same. It gives more money to the smaller clubs, Valencia and Atletico are in a better position and the ones who complain were the ones who provoked this mess 15 years ago. Who pays the bills? Villarreal, Sevilla, Athletic,... these traditional mid zone clubs.

The problem isn't just the distribution of the money, the problem also is the terrible management of some clubs and La Liga in general. Some of these clubs have stupid owners that spend over the top, it doesn't matter if they had 10 or 50M, they would waste it all. Atletico Madrid or Valencia have been spending stupid amounts of money in terrible players or silly real estate deals that broke them. You can put Zaragoza there too (don't you remember how Villarreal got 10M from them for Ayala when he did not play a single minute with them?).

Also, who's to blame for the selling of Racing shares to the first Indian that appeared there? Who's to blame for the poor management of Mallorca before they got broken?

IMO, there are several problems to solve:

- A collective TV deal is a must, BUT it should be done step by step, not from one day to the next.
- Administrative punishment for those clubs who overdue money. Just as you can not play in Europe, you shouldn't be allowed to be in the professional football in general. Besides, there's a danger of infection. If, for example, Mallorca overdue the money of a transfer to Zaragoza, then Zaragoza will also have problems to pay their transfers to Racing and so on.
- A real and efficient control from an independent board should be implemented. It's evident that you can manage the private controls of the auditors nowadays.
- A professional organization in La Liga. A league with such a big potential and tradition should have a better organization, with less corruption. It's unbelievable to see how you know the hour and day of the games of the EPL since now and, in La Liga, you don't even know the day of the game which is going to be played in 15 days... and this is just an example.
 
#17 ·
Nice post. How long are you going to wait Almo? Barca and Real are just as likely to continue wasting millions, they seem no better run than the rest.
Does anyone genuinely give a crap about these clubs in Spain?
Has there ever been much about starting a new league, this stuff never getting resolved properly until the poor teams gain some influence.
 
#19 ·
Good question... I don't see a real change in the short term. Barcelona and Madrid spend lots of millions, but they also generate more incomes than anyone else. It's not the millions you spend, but also the revenue you generate and, nowadays, if there are 2 machines of making money, that is Barcelona and Real Madrid.

Lately, I see some discussion in the press about it, so there's debate about the situation, which normally leads to solutions... good or bad solutions, but solutions.

In any case, the LFP is formed by 42 teams, the 20 of Primera Division and the 22 of Segunda (well, Barcelona and Villarreal have 2 votes, since their B teams are in Segunda). It's 1 club and 1 vote. So Barcelona and Real Madrid are a clear minority there. So the real problem is the lack of capacity of the clubs to find a solution for themselves and the league.
 
#18 ·
#22 ·
I disagree with Almo (and others) that collective TV deal is a must. The situation in Spain is different than in EPL, for example. Madrid and Barca have huge following all over Spain, half of the Spanish population support either Madrid or Barca and no wonder they got the most of TV money, as this reflects the actual interest. IMO in the future more money will be given to minor clubs, but it will not be at the expense of the big duo, the clubs may somehow strike a better deal for everyone (where Barca and Madrid don't get less than they get now). I don't see TV deal like in EPL ever happen, also due to different circumstances in Spain regarding TV audience/fan's share. To illustrate what having huge following around Spain means, it's the fact that in Spain you don't have away travelling fans, all those fans supporting Barca on away games in the stadiums are in fact local population supporting Barca instead their home club. In Alicante last year there was about a third of the stadium supporting Barca instead of home team (Hercules - Barcelona).

The OP discussed Spanish clubs and bankruptcy, but situation is even worse in lower leagues, there are epidemics of bankrupcy in third tier of Spanish football (several clubs being relegated or closed down just in this season), and it has nothing to do with TV money. This shows that there are different problems causing this insolvency, not the lack of more equal sharing of TV money. One wonders even if indebted Primera clubs would get more money on expense of Barca/Madrid wouldn't splash it irreasonably too, as they are splashing it now. Barca and Madrid may have huge debts, but they are still in the limits of annual revenue, some clubs like Atletico or Valencia may have less debt, but their debt is 2x or 3 or 4 times larger than their annual revenue. This behaviour is more irresponsible.
 
#29 ·
When I said it was a must to have collective deal is in a specific scenario: the competitiveness of La Liga and the Spanish football in general. Given that a kind of European league is just a kind of dream, the reality is that there's too much gap between the 2 giants and the rest and it would be good to reduce this gap, IMO.

Said all that, I agree with you in most the things you say.
 
#25 ·
I am a Real Madrid fan and I don't care about the financial well-being of any other club in Spain(aside from Getafe and Rayo).

Let them all go bankrupt.
 
#28 ·
This is a list of clubs that filed for "volutary bankruptcy". That means that they can't pay their bills, but also means they will most likely not go under.

Albacete Balompié SAD
Alicante CF
Cádiz CF
Córdoba Club de Fútbol SAD
Deportivo Alaves SA D
Granada CF (pre-concurso)
Málaga CF
Polideportivo Ejido SAD
Rayo Vallecano de Madrid SAD (pre-concurso)
Real Betis Balompié
Real Club Celta de Vigo SAD
Real Club Deportivo Mallorca
Real Club Recreativo de Huelva
Real Murcia CFSAD
Real Sociedad de Fútbol
Real Sporting de Gijón
Union Deportiva Las Palmas SAD
Xerez Club Deportivo SAD
Taken from Swedish site "Svenska fans"
 
#31 ·
The TV money as I knew this discussion would fall into really isn't the issue. Italian teams got this slap in the face back around 2000. Lazio fell apart, Fiorentina ended up relegated and Napoli also took the plunge. In Italy they made changes to protect against this. to play in the leagues clubs need financial responsibility.

In England which is often talked about as the league to look up too when it comes to TV money. Well they had clubs go under recently there too.

If anything I would claim that the fear of relegation together with the high income from the first division is the biggest problem apart from irresponsible owners. This goes for all big leagues. Being relegated is a ****ing disaster. That is even if you don't get TV money like Real. Because of this clubs overspend to stay in the first division, since going down might be even worse financially.