I got the feeling that this is going to be a war. With Chilavert on goal you are going to see Paraguay at the next level
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Spain vs Paraguay Official Match Thread
I got the feeling that this is going to be a war. With Chilavert on goal you are going to see Paraguay at the next level
laoer said:
go somewhere i can not see you.
Why? Because I want Spain to lose?
I have seen a lot of posters in these forums who want other teams to lose.
Im not going, if you don't want to see me just ignore.
It is not allowed to talk about politics so I will answer briebly:Super Puyol said:
I think that Spain will do it
BTW, are you a Basque separatist or something?
If you wonder that I support ETA's way, the answer is NOT
If you wonder that I support the civil way, the answer is YES, I want the independence for my country.
If you want more explanation talk me via PM
Then seperate loser. See how good you'll be on your own. You guys will shrivel up and die on your own.BioJedi said:
How pathetic. If you split into a basque country next youll want to separate into a bilbao and sociedad country. And so on.BioJedi said:
What i dont get is that you dont support spain even though they have had representatives of the basque reason (de pedro if im not mistaken). You dont see america as seperate countries. But then again spain would be a better country without people like you
Back to the game..... (sorry I even asked but anyway)
This game has to be a game where we will have to prove ourselves. I am not even talking about Chilavert, I am talking about to ourselves, we have to play like a different class than Paraguay. I am still guarding my optimism, but if we can blast some rockets in on that a$$hole, I would be the first one to go out in the streets with my flag hanging out of my car window.
BTW, it looks like Helguera will be in for Nadal and Mori for Tristan. Could be a good move but Morientes has to show us his old form, but I still prefer Tristan over him even at top form.
This game has to be a game where we will have to prove ourselves. I am not even talking about Chilavert, I am talking about to ourselves, we have to play like a different class than Paraguay. I am still guarding my optimism, but if we can blast some rockets in on that a$$hole, I would be the first one to go out in the streets with my flag hanging out of my car window.
BTW, it looks like Helguera will be in for Nadal and Mori for Tristan. Could be a good move but Morientes has to show us his old form, but I still prefer Tristan over him even at top form.
Guys don't get angry, it's only a game.
Same as you want to see Spain winning the WC, I want to see them out as soon as possible, but it is only RIVALITY.
If Spain win the WC I will be the first one who congratulate you, no doubt about it.
BTW Im living in Madrid because I study in a university, most of my friends are Spain supporters here,and we are the hole day making jokes to eachother.
Fortunatelly I finish my exams before the final match day so I will be far away from them in case of an Spanish victory.
Same as you want to see Spain winning the WC, I want to see them out as soon as possible, but it is only RIVALITY.
If Spain win the WC I will be the first one who congratulate you, no doubt about it.
BTW Im living in Madrid because I study in a university, most of my friends are Spain supporters here,and we are the hole day making jokes to eachother.
Fortunatelly I finish my exams before the final match day so I will be far away from them in case of an Spanish victory.
That's a beauty of Spain, very passionate but not over fanatical. In Spain, in general people can go to a bar/cafe and make jokes all day then support to the max and then at the end by the enemy a beer. In other countries like south america, they would need alot of security in the streets (you have never been to Buenos Aires when River-Boca are playing) and it would be overfanatical.
BTW, BioJedi good luck on your exams and how was the atmosphere in Madrid for the Spain-Slovenia game like in the bars etc?
BTW, BioJedi good luck on your exams and how was the atmosphere in Madrid for the Spain-Slovenia game like in the bars etc?
Thank you
The ambient was very good, I saw the match with some friends in a house not in a bar, the streets where empty while the match was playing, Spanish people where very interested in the match they have a lot of illusion in this WC, I saw people drinking in the streets (in Spain this is usual) before the match.
Apart from that this is the first WC that matches only can be seen by pay per view, the TV only show for free Spain's matches, the final game, one semifinal and the inaguration game so people go to the bar to see other matches.
The ambient was very good, I saw the match with some friends in a house not in a bar, the streets where empty while the match was playing, Spanish people where very interested in the match they have a lot of illusion in this WC, I saw people drinking in the streets (in Spain this is usual) before the match.
Apart from that this is the first WC that matches only can be seen by pay per view, the TV only show for free Spain's matches, the final game, one semifinal and the inaguration game so people go to the bar to see other matches.
Spaniard I agree, we really need to take some shots on that Fat Bastard Chilavert! He's a good goalkeeper, but he isn't impossible to beat. I'm sure De Pedro can score from a freekick on him next game. Wouldn't that be nice! I'm just curious as to what Chilavert will say if Spain win's? I'm sure he already has a list of excuces ready. Such as the ref favoured Spain or the Spaniards we're making racist slurs to him which broke his concentration ,etc, etc...
My aunt in Santiago told me that streets were going crazy. People were setting off fireworks (yes, even at 2 in the afternoon ) and that it felt like a positive atmosphere that hasn't been seen with la Seleccion since 86', possibly even more.
About Friday, it looks now more like Tristan starting, as well as Nadal but there is would be more of a chance of a helguera over Nadal than Mori over Tristan. For some reason AS reported a chance of Albelda starting, I have no clue where they got this information.
) and that it felt like a positive atmosphere that hasn't been seen with la Seleccion since 86', possibly even more. About Friday, it looks now more like Tristan starting, as well as Nadal but there is would be more of a chance of a helguera over Nadal than Mori over Tristan. For some reason AS reported a chance of Albelda starting, I have no clue where they got this information.
No problem Super Puyol
Camacho is going to field the same team that played against Slovenia, with one change, Morientes for Tristan if his injury continues.
Chilavert is SO fat, I will laught a lot if Spain don't make him a goal.
Camacho is going to field the same team that played against Slovenia, with one change, Morientes for Tristan if his injury continues.
Chilavert is SO fat, I will laught a lot if Spain don't make him a goal.
Spain out to punish Paraguay for ending dreams at France 98
JEONJU, South Korea, June 6 (AFP)
Four years is a long time to nurse a grudge, but Spain will aim to make Paraguay pay for ending their World Cup dreams four years ago in their World Cup Group B match on Friday.
A strange quirk of fate at the World Cup finals draw last December put Spain in the same group again as Paraguay, after the two rivals had faced each other in the first round - and also in the second match - at France 98.
"How times have changed," has been the phrase on the lips of anyone associated with the Spanish camp who was also present on that dismal night in Saint-Etienne.
In France, Spain lost their opening match to Nigeria and had to get a victory over Paraguay to retain a good chance of progressing but the South Americans were the better side in the encounter and unlucky to only end up with a 0-0 draw.
This time around, Spain are on the crest of a wave after winning their first World Cup opening match in 52 years on Sunday, a convincing 3-1 triumph over Slovenia, and it is Paraguay who must go for the win after only drawing 2-2 with South Africa in their first match.
"They (Paraguay) can definitely cause us problems, you only need to look at what happened four years ago, but things have changed enormously in this team since then, although one thing that has stayed the same is that it's still three points for a win," said Spain's Miguel Angel Nadal on Wednesday.
The veteran Real Mallorca defender, at 36 the oldest man in the Spanish squad, was at the last two World Cups and has followed Paraguay closely since the morale-damaging draw as several of their men, including the influential Real Zaragoza midfielder Toro Acuna, have played club football in Spain.
"Roque Santa Cruz is their danger man, especially when they are counter-attacking. What we have got to do is hang onto the ball for the maximum amount of time," added Nadal, referring to he old adage that possession usually wins games.
Santa Cruz himself has added to the war of words instigated by their goalkeeper and captain Jose Luis Chilavert last week.
Chilavert suggested that Spain had been lucky to qualify so easily and that they were internal disarray, allegations he has repeated almost daily since, much to the amusement of the Spanish squad.
"We can beat anyone in the world, and that includes Spain," said Santa Cruz bullishly on Tuesday.
"Spain have good players but are still not very together as a team, and we also have players who can change the course in an instant," added the Bayern Munich striker, who was one of the goal scorers against South Africa.
"We threw away 50 per cent of our scoring chances against South Africa but we are still very confident we can qualify and the way to do it is to beat Spain," added Francisco Arce, the other man to find the net on Sunday.
If Deportivo La Coruna striker Diego Tristan and Celta Vigo defender Juanfran Garcia are fully fit after twisting ankles against Slovenia, then Spanish coach Jose Antonio Camacho is not expected to make any alterations to his winning combination.
However, earlier this week, the Paraguayan coach Cesare Maldini admitted that he was toying with some tactical changes although he would not make any decisions over who will start until after training on Thursday night.
Chilavert is set to return after serving his four-match ban for spitting at Brazilian defender Roberto Carlos in a recent international, and his presence will be welcome after a less-than convincing display by his replacement Ricardo Tavarelli.
The most likely outfield change is that their competitive right-sided midfielder Carlos Paredes will return, in place of Guido Alvarenga who had a slight hamstring strain in the game against South Africa.
Paredes was unable to play against the Africans after also suffering a mild hamstring injury, during their final preparations last week, but is almost fully recovered.
JEONJU, South Korea, June 6 (AFP)
Four years is a long time to nurse a grudge, but Spain will aim to make Paraguay pay for ending their World Cup dreams four years ago in their World Cup Group B match on Friday.
A strange quirk of fate at the World Cup finals draw last December put Spain in the same group again as Paraguay, after the two rivals had faced each other in the first round - and also in the second match - at France 98.
"How times have changed," has been the phrase on the lips of anyone associated with the Spanish camp who was also present on that dismal night in Saint-Etienne.
In France, Spain lost their opening match to Nigeria and had to get a victory over Paraguay to retain a good chance of progressing but the South Americans were the better side in the encounter and unlucky to only end up with a 0-0 draw.
This time around, Spain are on the crest of a wave after winning their first World Cup opening match in 52 years on Sunday, a convincing 3-1 triumph over Slovenia, and it is Paraguay who must go for the win after only drawing 2-2 with South Africa in their first match.
"They (Paraguay) can definitely cause us problems, you only need to look at what happened four years ago, but things have changed enormously in this team since then, although one thing that has stayed the same is that it's still three points for a win," said Spain's Miguel Angel Nadal on Wednesday.
The veteran Real Mallorca defender, at 36 the oldest man in the Spanish squad, was at the last two World Cups and has followed Paraguay closely since the morale-damaging draw as several of their men, including the influential Real Zaragoza midfielder Toro Acuna, have played club football in Spain.
"Roque Santa Cruz is their danger man, especially when they are counter-attacking. What we have got to do is hang onto the ball for the maximum amount of time," added Nadal, referring to he old adage that possession usually wins games.
Santa Cruz himself has added to the war of words instigated by their goalkeeper and captain Jose Luis Chilavert last week.
Chilavert suggested that Spain had been lucky to qualify so easily and that they were internal disarray, allegations he has repeated almost daily since, much to the amusement of the Spanish squad.
"We can beat anyone in the world, and that includes Spain," said Santa Cruz bullishly on Tuesday.
"Spain have good players but are still not very together as a team, and we also have players who can change the course in an instant," added the Bayern Munich striker, who was one of the goal scorers against South Africa.
"We threw away 50 per cent of our scoring chances against South Africa but we are still very confident we can qualify and the way to do it is to beat Spain," added Francisco Arce, the other man to find the net on Sunday.
If Deportivo La Coruna striker Diego Tristan and Celta Vigo defender Juanfran Garcia are fully fit after twisting ankles against Slovenia, then Spanish coach Jose Antonio Camacho is not expected to make any alterations to his winning combination.
However, earlier this week, the Paraguayan coach Cesare Maldini admitted that he was toying with some tactical changes although he would not make any decisions over who will start until after training on Thursday night.
Chilavert is set to return after serving his four-match ban for spitting at Brazilian defender Roberto Carlos in a recent international, and his presence will be welcome after a less-than convincing display by his replacement Ricardo Tavarelli.
The most likely outfield change is that their competitive right-sided midfielder Carlos Paredes will return, in place of Guido Alvarenga who had a slight hamstring strain in the game against South Africa.
Paredes was unable to play against the Africans after also suffering a mild hamstring injury, during their final preparations last week, but is almost fully recovered.
World Cup Preview: Spain-Paraguay
Spain - Paraguay | News Archive
It's good to be a fan, sometimes... (Allsport)
06/06/2002. Remember four years ago in Saint-Etienne? Spain were denied a spot in the World Cup second round as Paraguay held them to a bland 0-0. The two are not traditional rivals, but this precedent will certainly weigh on this match a lot. "This time, I will score a couple of goals against Spain, who are not as good as people say" blasted Chilavert in emphatic style. Arguably, Spain-Paraguay has quite a setup with vengeance feelings on one side and provocative behaviour on the other.
But it is not going to be easy either way: Paraguay won't stop the Red Furies so effortlessly, just as Spain will probably have to work hard to break Paraguay down. Cesare Maldini's cautious tactics are poised to play a big part here. However South Americans never liked the Catenaccio, a method that could backfire big time.
Camacho and Maldini have not entered in a war of words, as they have to come to grips with the usual "enemy within". The Italian allenatore has been heavily criticized for his choices, and that has rocked the Paraguayan casbah. Camacho should watch his back as support from the Spanish media seems to be waning.
TEAM NEWS
Jose Antonio Camacho's lineup is taking shape after the latest admissions from the Spain coach hinted that Valencia midfielder Dave Albelda is set to return, while Diego Tristan and Fernando Morientes will fight for a place up front. Left back Juanfran should also be featured and does not seem to be doubtful for Friday's match against Paraguay.
Paraguay coach Cesare Maldini should go out and try to get a point: it will take a very defensive formation to contain Spain, and the former AC Milan legend knows what to do. Some of his players are doubtful, like Jos?Saturnino Cardozo, who won't probably shoulder Santa Cruz up front. Porto's Paredes is also a big question mark for Maldini.
PROBABLE LINEUPS
Spain: Iker Casillas; Nadal, Juanfran, Fernando Hierro, Puyol; Albelda, Baraja, Luis Enrique; Valeron ; Raul, Diego Tristan
Paraguay: Chilavert; Gamarra, Ayala, Caniza, Caceres; Struway, Franco, Acuna, Gavilan, Morinigo; Santa Cruz, Cavarelli
WHO'S HOT
Spain: Raul - An obvious choice. He stayed in the shadows while the French got off to their appalling start or let his Barcelona arch-rival Rivaldo get some stick for unsportsmanlike behaviour. Raul is the last hero to save this World Cup from being hijacked by no-name players. But it'll take some goals to achieve this...
Paraguay: Jose Luis Chilavert - He did the talking, he'll have to do the goalkeeping now! The Strasbourg goalkeeper would like to score a freekick against Spain. Iker Casillas has been warned! 'Vamos a ganar', he said... Look out for Roque Santa Cruz, who should be a real problem for the sluggish Spain defence.
WHO'S NOT
Spain: Fernando Hierro - With my sincere apologies: it's never nice to be mean with the elderly, and I certainly don't want to lack respect to the Real Madrid grand-father... Oops! Sorry: Real Madrid sweeper. It's time to hang up your boots, pal. He and Abelardo can rent a moped to keep up with Santa Cruz.
Paraguay: Guido Alvarenga - The Leon midfielder was extremely poor against South Africa. He needs to get a grip but chances are he will not stay in Cesare Maldini's plans.
PAST CONFRONTATIONS
We duly mentioned France 98's previous encounter between the two teams.
soccerage
Spain - Paraguay | News Archive
It's good to be a fan, sometimes... (Allsport)
06/06/2002. Remember four years ago in Saint-Etienne? Spain were denied a spot in the World Cup second round as Paraguay held them to a bland 0-0. The two are not traditional rivals, but this precedent will certainly weigh on this match a lot. "This time, I will score a couple of goals against Spain, who are not as good as people say" blasted Chilavert in emphatic style. Arguably, Spain-Paraguay has quite a setup with vengeance feelings on one side and provocative behaviour on the other.
But it is not going to be easy either way: Paraguay won't stop the Red Furies so effortlessly, just as Spain will probably have to work hard to break Paraguay down. Cesare Maldini's cautious tactics are poised to play a big part here. However South Americans never liked the Catenaccio, a method that could backfire big time.
Camacho and Maldini have not entered in a war of words, as they have to come to grips with the usual "enemy within". The Italian allenatore has been heavily criticized for his choices, and that has rocked the Paraguayan casbah. Camacho should watch his back as support from the Spanish media seems to be waning.
TEAM NEWS
Jose Antonio Camacho's lineup is taking shape after the latest admissions from the Spain coach hinted that Valencia midfielder Dave Albelda is set to return, while Diego Tristan and Fernando Morientes will fight for a place up front. Left back Juanfran should also be featured and does not seem to be doubtful for Friday's match against Paraguay.
Paraguay coach Cesare Maldini should go out and try to get a point: it will take a very defensive formation to contain Spain, and the former AC Milan legend knows what to do. Some of his players are doubtful, like Jos?Saturnino Cardozo, who won't probably shoulder Santa Cruz up front. Porto's Paredes is also a big question mark for Maldini.
PROBABLE LINEUPS
Spain: Iker Casillas; Nadal, Juanfran, Fernando Hierro, Puyol; Albelda, Baraja, Luis Enrique; Valeron ; Raul, Diego Tristan
Paraguay: Chilavert; Gamarra, Ayala, Caniza, Caceres; Struway, Franco, Acuna, Gavilan, Morinigo; Santa Cruz, Cavarelli
WHO'S HOT
Spain: Raul - An obvious choice. He stayed in the shadows while the French got off to their appalling start or let his Barcelona arch-rival Rivaldo get some stick for unsportsmanlike behaviour. Raul is the last hero to save this World Cup from being hijacked by no-name players. But it'll take some goals to achieve this...
Paraguay: Jose Luis Chilavert - He did the talking, he'll have to do the goalkeeping now! The Strasbourg goalkeeper would like to score a freekick against Spain. Iker Casillas has been warned! 'Vamos a ganar', he said... Look out for Roque Santa Cruz, who should be a real problem for the sluggish Spain defence.
WHO'S NOT
Spain: Fernando Hierro - With my sincere apologies: it's never nice to be mean with the elderly, and I certainly don't want to lack respect to the Real Madrid grand-father... Oops! Sorry: Real Madrid sweeper. It's time to hang up your boots, pal. He and Abelardo can rent a moped to keep up with Santa Cruz.
Paraguay: Guido Alvarenga - The Leon midfielder was extremely poor against South Africa. He needs to get a grip but chances are he will not stay in Cesare Maldini's plans.
PAST CONFRONTATIONS
We duly mentioned France 98's previous encounter between the two teams.
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