This article says almost nothing as for what they actually protest against´nor why that is a "human right". So I'll just assume that they are spoiled children and better get their ass out on the field. Except Oddo, he can protest the whole season as far as I am concerned.

 

Hmm, if they are protesting being forced to bargain collectively, then I agree with them.

 

This would not be good for the league and will seriously disrupt the season. Hopefully they come up with some solution fast.

 

Why is it in the 21st century that the only unions with the strength and resolve to strike seem to be frakking sportsmen, and Hollywood types. :cam:

Yes, I'm intentionally ignoring all of Greece, half of France and what not.

Being serious for a moment, it's hard to comment until you know the conditions that have brought on strike action. Obviously the idea of footballers striking while having one of the best jobs imaginable seems a bit daft on first inspection, but there could be valid reasons.

 

Bring out the primaveras for that round

 

The players are unhappy with the proposed changes to the footballer contract system. They feel they'll be less secure with this system change. Basically, they want the same rights as normal workers, eg: healthcare.

The trouble is, they aren't "normal" workers, but in fact ridiculously overpaid individuals and as such, they should just shut their mouths.

 

healthcare???? Are you kidding me they are protesting over benefits such as healthcare..... This must be a joke surely.

However I wont be suprised if this protest was spurred on by the player's agents :groan:.... They are more greedy then lawyers

 

The devil is in the detail and it would be interesting to know exactly what clauses they are objecting to.

 

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healthcare???? Are you kidding me they are protesting over benefits such as healthcare..... This must be a joke surely.

However I wont be suprised if this protest was spurred on by the player's agents :groan:.... They are more greedy then lawyers

Well at the moment it's very unclear as to what their motivations are. But having just spoken to my girlfriend (Italian and lives in Italy) it seems Rai News are reporting that they are indeed demanding the same rights as regular workers such as healthcare etc..... :drunk:

 

Yes because they are regular workers like me who gets paid a little over 20k a year

 

It's funny that Oddo was the rep...

After the WC Milan offered him a 5 year contract...and this summer he signed a 1 year extention so he will be 36 when it expires...

I mean honestly Milan didn't need to look after a pensioner like him but they did...

 

It's funny that Oddo was the rep...

Can we pleeeeeease use this as an excuse to fire him..... I mean come on Im sure some nice sheik in the middle east will give him the healthcare he desires..... or he can come play in the MLS.... hopefully there is some progress with Obama's universal healthcare system then it would be perfect for him :happy:

 

They protest that the stadiums are never even half full LOL.

 

haha

 

Honestly I'm much more worried about what is happening to common 1000-euros-a-month workers and their contracts. The football players can **** off and never play again for what I care, above all when they moan about being considered "objects". :yuck:

BTW Lega Calcio wants to change some conditions in their contracts.

 

This is about Serie A only? I mean, if it was about everybody, including the lower league players, it would a bit easier to support. These guys have normal salaries, ten year careers and can get a career-ending injury any day...they deserve health benefits and job security.

But Serie A? Let's see them summon up the masses in sympathy strikes around Italy...

 

Serie B I still think they get good salaries (better then your average worker).... I dont know about Serie C1 and C2, but they probably do make about what the average worker makes maybe slightly more depending on skill, age, position etc.

Serie D I know is not professional so Im guessing most players on those teams have regular day jobs so they probably just play for fun and may get some slight compensation..... Health care would make sense for them, because if they get injured not only can they not play, but possibly they would have to miss work.

 

And yet get compensated very well for that, who would dispute that?

Where else can someone like Amauri earn 4.2m net a year?

Let's be serious, being a professional football player is one of the best deals you can get in life, even if you're a mid-level player.

Even if let's say you're on the lower ended, you'll still be making something like 300,000 bucks. How much time and effort do you have to put to earn that in a conventional job? Even then, you probably won't earn that much.

You can argue their careers are shorter, sure. But with the amount they're getting consistently over a decade's (at the very least) worth of 'work', they're easily set for life.

Yes, there are pitfalls like career-ending injuries, but all jobs have risks. You can get laid off tomorrow if there's an economic downturn.

I just don't see what these guys have to complain about.

 

I agree. They are very well compensated. No one is doubting that. What's important to understand is that if someone else is getting a bigger chunk of the pie, then they have every right to argue for more.

And comparitively to other professional sports, they are the bottom feeders.

 

Isnt this sort of similiar to the writers strike that happened in Hollywood a few years back.... They were making some pretty good money, but they wanted a cut from the profits or something like that. Didnt they protest for like 1 month and the TVs did not budge so they ended up going back to work??

It was also a shame, because they had money even throughout the whole process, but people bellow them like the background crew and stuff make average salary and they were left without a job over this.
Its the same now, because of this protest regular people with regular jobs such as the staff, stadium crew, bus driver etc. are left without a job for however long the strike is.

 

Isnt this sort of similiar to the writers strike that happened in Hollywood a few years back.... They were making some pretty good money,.

They actually arent making that much...

I dont think this strike is about money though, so cut them some slack, at least until you know what they are protesting.

 

Yes just to put things into perspective. What Oddo gets paid for this year alone after tax 1.3mln euros. It will take me 65 years to get before tax That is just one year of Oddo's salary, a year where he probably gets paid less than other years.

May I add this is a season where Oddo, for instance, will probably hardly even have to 'work'. He will be on the bench for most of it. While I will be working 40 hours a week, sometimes working from 8.30am to 9.30pm as a part of my shift.

 

I agree. They are very well compensated. No one is doubting that. What's important to understand is that if someone else is getting a bigger chunk of the pie, then they have every right to argue for more.

Sure they do but considering the financial situation I don't see how the Serie A clubs can possibly pay them much more without going bankrupt. Who else is getting bigger chunk of the pie? The wages in Serie A are 1 billion euro per year, I doubt the revenue is a much bigger figure. There isn't a single club that's making much profit.

Isnt this sort of similiar to the writers strike that happened in Hollywood a few years back....

Not really, the writers earn peanuts compared to producers and so on while the lion's share of the money in football goes to the players.

 

Well my arguement is not relevant to a footballer in general, but it is relevant to how they can whine and moan about how they are 'treated' or what benefits they get. These footballers are getting Hundreds of thousands a year if not millions and they think they deserve more care? Yet they are doing something we all love. Yeah they have pressure, but what is pressure really in what they do? I work 13 hours a day sometimes for peanuts. Perhaps they should try doing something like what I do for the money I get before having a strike by not playing football. I think the XT Roma boys would play for Roma for free if the Roma players don't want to on that weekend.

 

It's not relevant to the real world. There is a demand for their services. There is not a demand for your services.

It's life. I work for people who make 10-20 Times what I make. They make it because they can.

 

Again not really my point. Do you defend people who make more than a million a year doing something like football (hardly a Doctor or rocket scientist here) to try and suck as much blood out of their employers as possible?

If you defend footballers trying to suck the blood out of the employers then at least think of the fans who love football in general to miss their club on these weekends they are striking. If it was something I could condone them for striking then ok, but it clearly is not from what I have read or heard.

This is only Serie A players aswell not even football as a whole.

 

And dont make it sound like footballers deserve to earn the amount they do a year. Especially the top end footballers. Yes the clubs make millions so they deserve big contracts, but most clubs are paying more wages than their entire income. Where else would you get that in a real business world?

 

man city , R. Madrid much?

 

healthcare p don't they bypass public waiting lists to get orthopedic surgeries?

 

Comparing serie A to NBA is not correct and the mistake to consider the serie A players bottom feeders (!) is simply the consequence of a wrong comparison. Johan is correct, (Italian) football is a crazy world in which the players/coaches and their agents are the ones who actually make money. I hope Meazza knows that Berlusconi for example didn't buy Milan in order to make money. And how many Lega Pro clubs do fail every year?

 

As I said, I don't follow the economics of Serie A as I do other leagues but I have a hard time believing that they don't make money. If they really don't, why hang around? Millionaires didn't become millionaires by giving away their money.

 

I support the idea that the players should be sharing the profits (and losses I assume?) of the clubs. Should give Inter a nice financial boost.

 

Thanks for implying that I know nothing about football. Always a good way to open a debate with an insult.

That being said, do you guys really believe that these teams don't make money? Obviously I don't follow the economics of Serie A as I have in the good ol U S of A but one thing I have learned is that when it comes to sports related enterprises, a lot can be done to mask your true earnings in order to negotiate labor contracts, etc.

And if any of you would go play for your favorite team for free, more power to you. I doubt you'll get many spectators though.

 

Thanks for implying that I know nothing about football. Always a good way to open a debate with an insult.

That being said, do you guys really believe that these teams don't make money? Obviously I don't follow the economics of Serie A as I have in the good ol U S of A but one thing I have learned is that when it comes to sports related enterprises, a lot can be done to mask your true earnings in order to negotiate labor contracts, etc.

Well for sure you knew nothing about the subject, but dived headlong into it. Now that you admit not knowing about the economics, why did you even post in this thread? I don't go posting about pony breeding, because I know nothing and think ponies are dwarf horses.

in contrary to what you claimed in this post it is more common in football that owners inject money into clubs to avoid taxes on the income in their company. But even that I doubt is big, the reality is that they are fans. Football may look like a business, but for most owners it isn't. Starkly speaking the biggest exceptions might be the two american owners in England.

 

If they really don't, why hang around? Millionaires didn't become millionaires by giving away their money.

Because they want to win titles and/or be famous. Google Sergio Cragnotti or Vittorio Cecchi Gori to see how owners can (almost) bankrupt teams, even after pumping some of their own money into them (at least Cragnotti did, I am not sure about Cecchi Gori). I thought everybody knew Berlusconi and Moratti aren't in football to earn money. Do you think Man City's owners or Abramovic are in it for the money too? Moratti and Berlusconi are much the same, albeit on a slightly smaller scale these days. Lazio, Roma, Parma and Fiorentina used to be run by sugar-daddies too but now they need to be more frugal and competing for wages with the likes of Inter and Milan as they used to do once is now absolutely out of the question.

 

Indeed even Roma were running at a big deficit for years until they realised they had to steady ship or go bust.

 

Mostly because they worked under the belief that the TV money and other income would always increase, which would cover all their debts and loans.

anyway, according to Swedish TV this is about a new regulation that would allow clubs to sell off player contracts on their last year, without the agreement of the player. Basically we could have sold Jankulovski if someone was retarded enough to take on his wages. Ok, that means we couldn't, but still!