I will give him until Xmas. Also at least another month before I start judging totally his methods.

 

I thought he was quite good today. Let 2 goals in and scored 1. All that from a team that should challenge for Serie B, I mean Cagliari.

 

I watched the 2nd leg of the Slovan game and today's game, Roma deserved to win both games tbh.

 

Slovan and Cagliari... we are not talking about teams which are stronger, but teams which are definitely much weaker, so deserving a win is definitely not enough.

 

I dont wanna sound attacking anybody here. But I notice alot of the people calling LE so early are people who have the stereotype, "LE is spanish he wont work in Serie A". If he was Italian I would be seeing more Patience posts then "LE Wont survive for long", " LE IS UTTER SHITE ", " Spanish managers suck" , " Italian managers rule".

I know Toni , you and along with other italians like diegodiegodiego ( and some from roma camp) want to see us fail badly. If he was italian the attitude towards him would be different.I care less how you feel about us Toni, If he works he works if he doesnt we go different ways. But calling his head this early is rather stupid.

 

No, you are wrong on me. I simply say that Luis Enrique is a coach without experience who pretends to be the new Guardiola in a league which is different from Liga and with a club which is different from Barcelona. He is going nowhere, pretty obviously. Yet, I could not predict such a desaster. Up to now the real lesson he got was from Slovan's coach Weiss, but losing to Ficcadenti is not really promising anyway.

 

well you guys are better judges of the games. are Roma losing but playing well? or are they looking poor and losing? are there chances being created... are they defending and pressing well?

 

I wonder when Carletto gets bored and decides to take over.

 

That seems the most logical move IF LE is forced out. In fact I was surprised that he didnt get the job in the first place.

 

Culture eats strategy for breakfast. He must meet his players and staff half way to succeed, instead of expecting a total change of idealogy, even if the Spanish/Italian ways are more the same than different.

 

Missed the game. Tactically, what mistakes did he make?

 

Toni didn't start this in your forum Pasquale, he did it the general calcio forum. Also wrong on me too, so for the record I respect your club greatly and I think Roma should be in the top 3-4 of the league, not at the bottom.

Back to topic, enrique. He's pure chicken feed for the italian tacticians in this division, where counter attacking reigns and is a complete science. Ficcadenti was happy enough to let Enrique instruct his men to pass the air out of the ball and hit down the channels on the break. Add 1 inch to Biondini's carving the post in the first half and they'd have been humiliated even more.

 

Narrow midfield people, narrow midfield, it's the Italian way, it's worked before and we are better suited to it to be honest at this stage. Why enforce a different system with a haphazardly put together squad at the last minute. If we play two up front, we got Totti, Bojan, Borriello, Osvaldo, Borini for 2 positions, Totti can't play AM anymore. That's 5 players to keep happy! It's too much change too soon I reckon, too many INS and a 'so called philosophy' too quickly implemented.

I don't buy this patience/project business to be honest, this is Roma, Romans are impatient, impulsive and demand success or at least something to make them come back in two weeks. I didn't think we were 'too bad' but a disappointing start, we can't throw away points like this and start out season in October/November like every year. Spalletti was a different situation, we were woeful the year before and finished in mid-table and didn't throw money about in off-season. I don't care how, what or where, we need results. At this stage I don't have us even finishing top 4 and if we can't do it, he shouldn't be there. What time has Conte had to prepare for example?

Maybe I'm still emotional and frustrated from yesterday, I don't know.

Back to topic, enrique. He's pure chicken feed for the italian tacticians in this division, where counter attacking reigns and is a complete science.

I agree with this.

 

I just don't know where the hype for him as a coach come from in the first place

 

Barca XT fans.

 

can someone talk football for a change? all i read is sentimentalist romantic bullshit ideas like: italy is not spain and Roma is not Barca and crap like that .. italian tacticians and italian attitude

the guardiola of italy is a nice one too

 

can someone talk football for a change? all i read is sentimentalist romantic bullshit ideas like italy is not same spain and Roma is not Barca and crap like that

:thumbsup:

 

In the first 16 games under Spalletti, we collected 21 points out of 48.Lost 6 games, drew 6 other.Only 4 wins in first 16 games. Thats a sacking material.
We were on pace for 50 point finish. We then hit 11 game winning streak.
Spalletti stayed manager of Roma for years. And a proud one, where all of us Roma fans up to this day remember him as one of the greatest to coach us.

Yes, huge chance LE fails. But I repeat give the guy a chance rather then writing him off so quickly. This is totally new team, and a very young one prone to mistakes. All what I am saying is just give the guy a chance.
If things dont turn around in the second half of the season, you can call for his head. But not after one Serie A Game!

 

He came to Roma with the credentials of the man who could make an Italian Barcelona in Rome but up to now he has failed badly. We miss many things in Italy...

Especialy some patience and respect for the process. Barcelona wasnt built in one day, attacking football is more difficult to play and takes some time to work on it. Though Enrique might fail because in Barcelona all the coaches in the youth categories play the same style of football for a long time now, so it is almost imposible for Enrique to make something similar like Barcelon in a short amount of time.

 

Barcelona is Barcelona. With a winning tradition, a huge bunch of money and a youth team which has lately produced an amount of talent which cannot be easily produced everywhere. It's the worst possible model for a club without the same possibilities and surely being something similar can't be achieved through a coach. Least of all through a coach without experience. Least of all in Rome, where you have supporters who can't wait. How long for? 5-10 years? I'm sure Luis Enrique would hardly achieve something before if he is serious. Tell a supporter that he has to wait for 5-10 years!

 

Cagliari's best player was their goalie Agazzi, not everything in football revolves around tactics, a goalie having a good day can decide a game as we've all seen on countless occasions.

Agazzi denied Angel, Pjanic, Osvaldo, Totti and Borriello.

 

Cagliari only had 1 new player starting though, rest is last season's team.

 

It's been a bad start but I think we should wait another five or six Serie A games before we can really judge his coaching abilities at a club like Roma. He's only gone out of the useless Europa League and lost the first Serie A game, something Roma have done in past seasons as well. Nothing severe has happend yet.

 

and because of that LE would need more than one season to get this project working. You might be able to fiddle in tactics and get it working decent quickly, but changing the whole way a team plays takes longer and need the right players.

Even Milan still doesn't have the players to follow Allegris philosphy. he make do with a couple of more champions than LE though.

 

Quite simply, Luis Enrique does not deserve the Roma coaching position. He has done NOTHING to be worthy of coaching such a team. Gasperini deserves the Inter coaching position more than Luis Enrique does the Roma job, and that should say something because Gasperini should never coach a team like Inter.

I just saw highlights of the Cagliari game and again I noticed immediately the big flaws in Roma's game were the mistakes of the coach. This stupidity of trying to force the 4-3-3 is the biggest problem with Roma right now, especially when he has players like Osvaldo playing wide? Then there's Bojan who's playing wide as well, I mean granted Bojan is crap, but wasn't the excuse for him being crap at Barcelona that he was never a wide player and that he should have played a central role? So what does Luis Enrique do, play him wide again. It's so blatantly obvious that Roma needs to play 4-3-1-2.

Luis Enrique's qualities are nothing but air right now. People can say this is a season that Roma needs to build and that there's not much pressure on winning, but that's bullshit. This Roma team was a hair away from winning the Serie A the season before last, and brought in big name players this year, much more than any of their rivals who perhaps got weaker (Milan with no Pirlo, still no Mr. X, and Inter with no Eto'o and even dumber coach). If Roma don't challenge for the league this year, it's a failure.

 

Thats not entirely true. Osvaldo was wide only in first 30 minutes.
But later on he was more central.Watch the game, not just highlights.
The 4 - 3- 3 , could be considered 4 - 3- 1 -2 as well. The center striker in 4 - 3- 3 is fake striker and drops back, while the two wide forwards go central.

And two years ago is 2 years ago, that team is finished.I think last year was obvious, as the team totally suck in the league. Finishing 6th!
Major players of that side are above 30. And key player like Vucinic, Mexes left. You cannot compare LE's results with his predessors. Yes, this is a rebuild team. Because we are using many young players and they are prone to mistakes like Angel.

 

One should not blame LE when Totti is still around.

 

Its one thing to question one why he was hired, because I fail to see what credentials he has to be hired (if you want new type of football, or spanish in particular, there are more accomplished options), but to come to such final conclusions and write him off after 1 game? Bit fickle, not only a new coach but so new team, needless to say this team will need patience. Unless the results is too bad to continue, should get until christmas, in overall a full season to see where this new project takes them.

 

:howler: at this thread. typical knee-jerk reaction.

 

This.

LE may fail, sure, but writing him off so early is ridiculous.

 

I understand that and agree with you in logic and theory but this is not how things work in Rome or Italy, whether football or not.

 

It is better to have a 5-10 year project, then a 1 year project every year and than realizing in 5-10 years that you actually had no results.

I dont really know how good Luis Enrique is, because their really is nothing to judge on, so lets wait and see.

 

If it means finishing 14th this year, 14th next year and win scudetto 3 years later. I would take that over finishing 2nd this year, 5th next year and 2nd 3 years later again as the cycle is with us.

 

And how do you intend to attract players finishing in 14th spot in consecutive seasons considering half our team will slowly be replaced over next few years? If you don't play regular UCL you're nobody in today's football sadly.

 

You are very late with this discussion!

I have been saying the same in the Roma forum every since the decision was taken for his appointment.

I was alone against basically all Roma fans of the forum being (more or less) totally enthusiastic about him coming to the capital.

But, wait for another 2-3 matches and he fails to deliver he will be massively questioned.