that is called the power of justice :tongue:, he is cursed since that illegitimate penalty in the WC90 final. I wondered why nobody was ready to take penalty at that moment.

 

What a fantastic reason you came up with, you genius!

What about Maradona's 2 handballs, one in '86 & another against Romania in 1990?

As for taking the penalty, anybody could have taken it, Germans never miss penalties, you saw it in 2006 also.

 

George would shout! serenityyyyy noooooow!

and Sorc, where is justice when Moreno, Pedernera and cia were as good or better than Di Stefano, but are almost unknown...how many Uruguayan legends are recognized?


About the penalty, damn that was a great shot by Andreas

 

People that talk about how great ashley cole is dont know football and cant make properly judged assessments on players that arent overhyped.

My memories of brehme were that he was solid, great at frees and penos. I will stand corrected but I dont remember anything other remarkable about him then that.

 

I love andreas Brehme. I've seen him coaching my team and i've seen him playing in my team and i know him personally. He's really underrated, but for me he's a legend.

 

Another name to consider: Julio Cesar Benitez

Died tragically at 28, but was an absolute torpedo for Barca in the 60's.

 

What's Brehme doing these days? A scout at Stuttgart was last I heard.

Anyways, he's a champion. Great in defence, great in attack and a genuine leader.

All time favourite players definitely.

 

Those who have seen Brehme play will rate him highly. So yes, he is underrated for that reason, because how many people on this form alone for example have even seen him play? If they had they would rate him highly for sure. More a case of lack of exposure than being underrated. Same goes for what Fangio said. Example - I doubt very many posters here have seen Enzo Francescoli play much and for that reason he may seem underrated, but it's just a vast lack of exposure in comparison to other talents of that time. In the most extreme cases, well I have friends who hadnt really heard of Garrincha and yet still are adamant that Cristiano Ronaldo is surely the better winger. I need new friends.

What makes the mind boggle is when you have truly underrated players like how Claude Makelele was once perceived. The guy didnt receive near enough praise during his time at Real Madrid (which can in no way be down to a lack of exposure) but the moment he leaves the overall opinion of him increases dramatically (that is lack of exposure...of Real Madrid's defence).

 

What makes the mind boggle is when you have truly underrated players like how Claude Makelele was once perceived. The guy didnt receive near enough praise during his time at Real Madrid (which can in no way be down to a lack of exposure) but the moment he leaves the overall opinion of him increases dramatically (that is lack of exposure...of Real Madrid's defence).

Makelele is not overated, he is just a limited player running for others. People created the myth that the failure of galacticos was because of his departure. They forgot that at some point Real Madrid was leading with a good advantage the Spanish league, in the semifinals of CL and in the final of Spanish Cup. Without or with Makelele, even using that really open team. Then what Happened was ; Ronaldo Got injuried. A suicide team needs his personality and efficiency and even so, the failure of that team was losing a penalty kick against Juve and being defeated by Deportivo in a 3-2 game. How close after the end of galacticos Real got of such numbers. Then people blame it all to Makelele departure and not the fact that any team needs time to get impressive result and that team, based on the will of players and their talent almost got it. Their players are very tired because they had always to play and Ronaldo got injuried, that is why they failed. Makelele, bleargh.

 

Bland player. Had a bit of shooting ability to his game but was decidedly mediocre in most aspects. If they just had slotted in some other jerry in the teams he played in no one would have noticed. Can we move on from discussing mullet-sporting pornstar lookalikes now? What's next, Karl-Heinz Rumennigge? The name alone reminds of some twisted junker trying to carve away his own slab of empire somewhere in Silesia in the early 1920s. So please **** off with your German 'players'.

 

PS:Julio Cesar Benitez is a much better suggestion.

 

Here comes the druggie again. Why this loser is allowed to post in this forum only God knows. Not a single constructive post from this clown.


And, judging a player by his name is something only a retarded person would do.

 

Kenny Samson was better :stuckup:

 

@ Andy Brehme: he will be always remembered as a great free-kick taker. During my stay in Germany some 7 years ago I´ve met him on opening ceremony of new metro line in Stuttgart/Filderstadt i asked him to autograph his player´s card like some bloody glory hunter

 

For a footballer that played before the web age to be able to have his value duly recognised, he would have needed to have something that Mullet Brehme never had - flair. That is why he is not that highly rated, and rightly so.

 

Limited as an overall player? He sure is...but as a DM? He was World Class at his peak and very important in Real's success. The whole downfall of Real Madrid post-Makelele shouldnt be put solely on his departure, but it certainly was crucial. In a side as attacking as the early 00's Real was, the greater the importance of having that balance of a DM of his ability.

I think the whole thing about him being limited is a little overexaggerated and quite irrelevant. If you can fulfil a role with consistent excellence, which he did as a DM, then everything else is a little superfluous. He didnt need to show (or possess) dribbling or shooting ability.

You make a good point about Ronaldo, which I may add further strengthens my point - if you take an integral and influential player out of a side, it's going to suffer if the replacement cant fulfil that void.

 

World Class is meaningless. He is a limited player, as DM, as anything else. He could have been replaced by any of those DMs,they didnt.
And Until Ronaldo was fit, Real was going very well. The downfall started with Ronaldo getting injuried.

 

If by "injured" you mean "obese", then yeah, good point. :thumbsup:

 

nah, injuried. He was destroying juve defense in the first game at Bernabeu and didnt return for the second half because of an injury. He could only return clearly out of conditions in the second game and even so managed to get a penalty that Figo lost and would classify the galacticos to the final. Obviously his recovering time was not fast because of his shape, but that momment was when Real stopped winning in La Liga and got out of the final of CL.

 

From what I've read here he sounds like he's on the level of Stuart Pearce. A decent, free-kick and penalty taking left back.

 

From what I've read here he sounds like he's on the level of Stuart Pearce. A decent, free-kick and penalty taking left back.

:howler:

 

Pearce took lots of penalties in his career, he scored 99 goals.

 

Unless one is a Stuart Pearce fanboy (in case that species exists) when you mention him and the words "penalty kick" in the same sentence, one doesn't exactly remembers the penalties that he scored but rather a certain penalty that he missed.

 

Yes naturally, but my point is that he and Brehme both seem to be left-backs who both take penalties and freekicks. That doesn't make them better left-backs though.

Fittingly Felipe, Pearce, playing in his final game before retiring was on 99 career goals. With City 3-2 up against Portsmouth, we needed one more goal to gain a record goal haul for one season (109 in the league, 125 in all competitions). The referee gave an extremely dubious penalty. Pearce stepped up, and his old friend Dave Beasant the Pompey goalkeeper even told Pearce he wouldn't dive so he could get his 100th goal.

Pearce ballooned it over :wallbang:

 

:howler: priceless

 

Yes but I like Roberto Carlos more.