How did we even qualify for this?
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All the big european leagues got 2 spots. Based on last 4 year CL results (20-24) Only Inter has gotten more points than us from serie a clubs. For example Barca missed out cause Real and Atletico got more points (Barca had 2 group stage exits). Liverpool narrowly missed out cause Chelsea had gotten 3 more points than them in last 4 years and had won the CL more recently for english team (and Man city was highest ranked eng team), (Klopp last year Liverpool failed to qualify for CL). Napoli had 5 less points than us and failed to qualify cause they didnt play CL 2 years of last 4. Milan had 2 group stage exits. Basically every big euro league gets 2 spots and you are fighting directly with your own league representive. We still had better points/record than Napoli/Milan etc, Roma didnt even play CL Mourinho years. Sevilla missed out cause they didnt do anything in CL instead of europea league which is inferior ranking competition. Ajax missed out cause their league is lesser ranking compared to the big 3-4. And Red Bull Salzburg got most points from the lesser ranked leagues.
For example going into 2025-26 Serie a is 2nd ranked in the Uefa CL league coefficient table. England is first cause they will have 5th team represented (Tottenham won EL). Because serie a is 2nd ranked, it means its 2nd ranked league in Uefa associate. Which means it automatically gets rewarded higher/better spot for the Club World Cup (Its 2nd best ranked league in CL right now, so it makes sense to reward that league with 2 spots, and then you pick 2 best recorded teams last 4 years from that league, we still had 2nd ranking after Inter, all of Milan, Roma, Napoli had lesser ranking/points total, Atalanta didnt even make the cut, cause only 2 spots awarded and Europa League is inferior competition, see Sevilla). For sure there is some nepotism involved. For example how are Barca and Liverpool not there? Cause Chelsea and City basically won the CL more recent. And Barca competed with Atletico for the spot and Atletico had a better head to head (Barca had 2 group exits, while Atletico made knockouts regularly). Real qualified automatically cause they won the CL during the last 4 years.
The only thing we should care about is how much money this generates to us. I mean it should generate some money right?
For example going into 2025-26 Serie a is 2nd ranked in the Uefa CL league coefficient table. England is first cause they will have 5th team represented (Tottenham won EL). Because serie a is 2nd ranked, it means its 2nd ranked league in Uefa associate. Which means it automatically gets rewarded higher/better spot for the Club World Cup (Its 2nd best ranked league in CL right now, so it makes sense to reward that league with 2 spots, and then you pick 2 best recorded teams last 4 years from that league, we still had 2nd ranking after Inter, all of Milan, Roma, Napoli had lesser ranking/points total, Atalanta didnt even make the cut, cause only 2 spots awarded and Europa League is inferior competition, see Sevilla). For sure there is some nepotism involved. For example how are Barca and Liverpool not there? Cause Chelsea and City basically won the CL more recent. And Barca competed with Atletico for the spot and Atletico had a better head to head (Barca had 2 group exits, while Atletico made knockouts regularly). Real qualified automatically cause they won the CL during the last 4 years.
The only thing we should care about is how much money this generates to us. I mean it should generate some money right?
Thanks for the explainer, honestly I tried to understand how it works from the website and I was lost. So it's mainly a coefficient thing.
I'm surprised Italy is still ahead of Spain in the league UEFA coefficients,, especially with Real winning so many CLs. But I guess overall, Italian teams have done slightly better in the last 5 years.
It will be a money spinner, and FIFA are pumping more money into it because there's been criticism it's a waste of time, and it's adding more games to the schedule, so they're trying to offset that by making it lucrative.
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Right off the bat, we're making $31.25m for making the tournament, and the winner gets $125m.
For a glorified friendly competition, that's good money.
I'm surprised Italy is still ahead of Spain in the league UEFA coefficients,, especially with Real winning so many CLs. But I guess overall, Italian teams have done slightly better in the last 5 years.
It will be a money spinner, and FIFA are pumping more money into it because there's been criticism it's a waste of time, and it's adding more games to the schedule, so they're trying to offset that by making it lucrative.
All to know about FIFA Club World Cup 2025
From the new-look format to the qualification criteria and venues, Al Jazeera gives a lowdown on the tournament.
Right off the bat, we're making $31.25m for making the tournament, and the winner gets $125m.
For a glorified friendly competition, that's good money.
I think with time it can grow into smth more meaningful. I mean the format really is now Club World Cup.
Fifa world cup only happens in every 4 years. This format will be same. I never gave a s--t when they hosted the old format every year just before xmas. Usually the CL team was shoe horned in at semi final stage. Maybe for players it meant smth but others not.
With this new format. Right now everyone is still learning too. We dont know exactly what is going to happen. High profile players like Kevin De Bruyine have crititicized the amount of games being played in a calendar year and now we are going into this tournament.
Also they added the Nation League, i can live with it, cause its supposed to replace International friendlies, but now i read Tuchel just had his first international friendly while Portugal took on Spain and France took on Germany in the nation league. So friendlies are still being played after all. And tbh, how else is new manager going to get opportunity to work and test his ideas if first game is important World Cup qualification game. Thinking in terms of Italy right now. Especially if they are going with experimental candidates like Gattuso and De Rossi. From September till December are all Italy World Cup qualification matches. The new manager has very little time to try his tactics and ideas and settle in. Meanwhile half the squad is in America for this tournament.
After the first failure in 2018. During the 2018 WC, Mancini went on a training camp with the whole Italy squad. Mancini has called the most amount of different italian players for Italy. He called players up and they just trained during the World Cup and did lot of prep work and then started the euro campaign.
Fifa world cup only happens in every 4 years. This format will be same. I never gave a s--t when they hosted the old format every year just before xmas. Usually the CL team was shoe horned in at semi final stage. Maybe for players it meant smth but others not.
With this new format. Right now everyone is still learning too. We dont know exactly what is going to happen. High profile players like Kevin De Bruyine have crititicized the amount of games being played in a calendar year and now we are going into this tournament.
Also they added the Nation League, i can live with it, cause its supposed to replace International friendlies, but now i read Tuchel just had his first international friendly while Portugal took on Spain and France took on Germany in the nation league. So friendlies are still being played after all. And tbh, how else is new manager going to get opportunity to work and test his ideas if first game is important World Cup qualification game. Thinking in terms of Italy right now. Especially if they are going with experimental candidates like Gattuso and De Rossi. From September till December are all Italy World Cup qualification matches. The new manager has very little time to try his tactics and ideas and settle in. Meanwhile half the squad is in America for this tournament.
After the first failure in 2018. During the 2018 WC, Mancini went on a training camp with the whole Italy squad. Mancini has called the most amount of different italian players for Italy. He called players up and they just trained during the World Cup and did lot of prep work and then started the euro campaign.
Personally im becoming an advocate for reducing the amount of clubs in leagues.
Its funny how players (high calibre players) have been vocal during the last 12 months of amount of games and such but nothing is being done. At some point it shouldnt just be all about money anyway. Logically speaking, if you dont have a big squad, and there are lesser continents involved also who play Asian or South American/North American Champions League formats, the whole squad will be washed by the time this Club World Cup takes place. Id argue we should expand our squad. But does that mean Comolli has to sign 5 players first week of his appointment?
I think smth has to be done. Yet, instead they even added more games in CL, it used to be 6 group games. Now everyone has to play 8 league games. I didnt particularly found anything exciting about this new format. If anything i felt big teams had more room for error. Real Madrid lost 3 times during the league autumn/winter phase. If you lost 3 times in the old group stage. You didnt go through to knockouts. There is more room for error and the games in autumn/winter became even more meaningless. Liverpool had the best record and were awarded PSG in the knockouts. Meanwhile Club Brugge who qualified last (top 24 qualified for knockouts, they finished 24th) and got Atalanta, and beat them. Liverpool won the group/league phase and reward was PSG. But this all has to do with superleague too. Why even all this superleague discussions where held if players actually want less games. And lets just keep adding competitions. Even Barca and Real were concerned how EPL collectively is making more money than them. Not just top 4.
Its funny how players (high calibre players) have been vocal during the last 12 months of amount of games and such but nothing is being done. At some point it shouldnt just be all about money anyway. Logically speaking, if you dont have a big squad, and there are lesser continents involved also who play Asian or South American/North American Champions League formats, the whole squad will be washed by the time this Club World Cup takes place. Id argue we should expand our squad. But does that mean Comolli has to sign 5 players first week of his appointment?
I think smth has to be done. Yet, instead they even added more games in CL, it used to be 6 group games. Now everyone has to play 8 league games. I didnt particularly found anything exciting about this new format. If anything i felt big teams had more room for error. Real Madrid lost 3 times during the league autumn/winter phase. If you lost 3 times in the old group stage. You didnt go through to knockouts. There is more room for error and the games in autumn/winter became even more meaningless. Liverpool had the best record and were awarded PSG in the knockouts. Meanwhile Club Brugge who qualified last (top 24 qualified for knockouts, they finished 24th) and got Atalanta, and beat them. Liverpool won the group/league phase and reward was PSG. But this all has to do with superleague too. Why even all this superleague discussions where held if players actually want less games. And lets just keep adding competitions. Even Barca and Real were concerned how EPL collectively is making more money than them. Not just top 4.
The super league would have made a lot of sense, but no one likes the idea of the big clubs coming together to form their own thing.
It fell apart because the English clubs are still making a lot of money in the EPL, and decided to give up at the first sign of resistance because they were afraid the fans would abandon them.
But after the initial brouhaha, the fans would have come on board.
It fell apart because the English clubs are still making a lot of money in the EPL, and decided to give up at the first sign of resistance because they were afraid the fans would abandon them.
But after the initial brouhaha, the fans would have come on board.
Very confusing system. I was wondering why Liverpool isn't there.
So Euros only get 2 places per league but Brazil gets four clubs in?
So Euros only get 2 places per league but Brazil gets four clubs in?
This explains it pretty well, so what Stephan said is true, however it's based primarily on who won the major regional club competition like the Champions league, etc in the last four years first, and then rankings by coefficient for the remaining spots, which is what I was expecting. But it's not based on league coefficients, just the individual club's coefficient. There isn't a limit per league.
So for example for UEFA we get 12 spots, If there were only 3 different CL winners in the last 4 years, then the remaining spots to go to the clubs with the highest coefficient starting with the fourth spot.
And just to clarify, this last season does not form part of the ranking, it will form part of next tournament's ranking. So PSG did not qualify based on winning the CL last season, they qualified based on having the second-best ranking coefficient.
Liverpool are not there because they won the CL before the four year qualifying period, and they've had some bad seasons recently, for example they didn't qualify for the CL in 2022/2023.
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So we beat Al Ain 5-0, I caught a bit of the second half and by then we were already in cruise control but still creating a few chances.
Obviously, the strength of the opposition makes this win less impressive, but from the little I saw, Douglas Luiz looked really good, very sharp, moving around the pitch actively, he stood out.
From the goals, Kolo Muani and Conceicao impressed, a concern for me is these are two players we don't have permanently at the moment. I think if we can get that one additional season loan and buy option for 50m, we really need to do that for KM. Conceicao allegedly we've offered 20m to buy him, which is fair given we paid a very expensive loan of 8m for a year. Let's see if Porto go for it, I don't think there's a big market for him.
Obviously, the strength of the opposition makes this win less impressive, but from the little I saw, Douglas Luiz looked really good, very sharp, moving around the pitch actively, he stood out.
From the goals, Kolo Muani and Conceicao impressed, a concern for me is these are two players we don't have permanently at the moment. I think if we can get that one additional season loan and buy option for 50m, we really need to do that for KM. Conceicao allegedly we've offered 20m to buy him, which is fair given we paid a very expensive loan of 8m for a year. Let's see if Porto go for it, I don't think there's a big market for him.
Kalulu having a horror game vs City, caught completely flat-footed on their opener and then an own goal for the second.
Comprehensively beaten and bested.
I wasn't expecting different, and yes we need a striker but I hope it also refocuses attention to the fact we really need a major upgrade in defense.
Someone like Kalulu will not be able to deal with the kind of talent teams like Man City have, things will improve once Bremer is back, but we need another top class centerback. We just do, and if we don't get one, I think we will go back to losing or drawing games we should have won because of bad defending.
I wasn't expecting different, and yes we need a striker but I hope it also refocuses attention to the fact we really need a major upgrade in defense.
Someone like Kalulu will not be able to deal with the kind of talent teams like Man City have, things will improve once Bremer is back, but we need another top class centerback. We just do, and if we don't get one, I think we will go back to losing or drawing games we should have won because of bad defending.
I didnt watch the game. The thing i dont get is, we start players in this game, who have no long term future here in Vlahovic (who is supposed to go, and since we are linked with strikers every week as well) and if im honest Kostic chapter is also over.
Its very hard to put this type of result and game into some sort of a deep perspective.
Also still starting Nico Gonzalez and Koop too.
Unless Real Madrid lose in their last fixture. We are going to face them next round thanks to this result now. If we wanted to avoid Real Madrid we should have tried to win this game but Yildiz and Muani were on the bench, who are supposed to be starters.
Bremer is our only WC defender. This is Juventus not Brazil 1970. We should have quality in every defensive position. There is though 2 months to do deals. Get this stupid tournament over with next week.
What is exactly supposed to happen after this tournament? Small break for players, before actual preseason? In the end this is a tournament, with time it could become more important. I mean its supposed to be world cup of club competition. Its not some random friendly played against U19 primavera on august 30 either. So, i guess im trying to figure out, why we started backups? We could have won the group. It wasnt a random last group game.
Its very hard to put this type of result and game into some sort of a deep perspective.
Also still starting Nico Gonzalez and Koop too.
Unless Real Madrid lose in their last fixture. We are going to face them next round thanks to this result now. If we wanted to avoid Real Madrid we should have tried to win this game but Yildiz and Muani were on the bench, who are supposed to be starters.
Bremer is our only WC defender. This is Juventus not Brazil 1970. We should have quality in every defensive position. There is though 2 months to do deals. Get this stupid tournament over with next week.
What is exactly supposed to happen after this tournament? Small break for players, before actual preseason? In the end this is a tournament, with time it could become more important. I mean its supposed to be world cup of club competition. Its not some random friendly played against U19 primavera on august 30 either. So, i guess im trying to figure out, why we started backups? We could have won the group. It wasnt a random last group game.
Tudor played completely different attack in this game. First 2 games, he played Yildiz-Muani-Conceicao. Also Thuram didnt start today.
What was the plan anyway? By not winning the group, unless Madrid f-cks up tonight, we are going to face them. Otherwise we could have faced either Red Bull Salzburg or Al Hilal.
Tudor basically played B team attack against Group favorites.
Im not sure i understand this type of concept and mentality. City were the favorites of this group. Surely you should play your best team against them? By not winning the group, we are likely to face Real Madrid now.
When will this back 3 obsession end? Inter, Italy and now Juve. Back 3 and getting trashed every time.
What was the plan anyway? By not winning the group, unless Madrid f-cks up tonight, we are going to face them. Otherwise we could have faced either Red Bull Salzburg or Al Hilal.
Tudor basically played B team attack against Group favorites.
Im not sure i understand this type of concept and mentality. City were the favorites of this group. Surely you should play your best team against them? By not winning the group, we are likely to face Real Madrid now.
When will this back 3 obsession end? Inter, Italy and now Juve. Back 3 and getting trashed every time.
Tudor probably wanted to rest some starters, knowing it would be difficult to win the game regardless.
As presently constructed, we don't have what it takes to win this tournament, and I think what Tudor is trying to do is draw focus to some of the weaknesses in the team, to put pressure on the management to bring in reinforcements.
To be fair to City, they have already brought in a lot of the reinforcements they wanted, so they look good.
We on the other hand, we're still looking to bring big pieces of the puzzle like another high caliber striker and centerback, and progress has been slow.
We still don't have a sporting director yet, I just don't see how we're on the market without one.
As presently constructed, we don't have what it takes to win this tournament, and I think what Tudor is trying to do is draw focus to some of the weaknesses in the team, to put pressure on the management to bring in reinforcements.
To be fair to City, they have already brought in a lot of the reinforcements they wanted, so they look good.
We on the other hand, we're still looking to bring big pieces of the puzzle like another high caliber striker and centerback, and progress has been slow.
We still don't have a sporting director yet, I just don't see how we're on the market without one.
Prepare for another walloping.
This defense is atrocious, and there are too many uncertainties surrounding the team. No one knows who's going and who's staying, and it's messing with morale and cohesiveness.
This defense is atrocious, and there are too many uncertainties surrounding the team. No one knows who's going and who's staying, and it's messing with morale and cohesiveness.
When is Bremer supposed to be back? I mean i wouldnt rush him for just this game but he was listed on bench previous game.
Doubt he'll be ready, I see him playing during pre-season possibly not now.
Disappointing to see Kalulu outclassed, I always said I wasn't really convinced by him, but he seemed to be someone the management were very convinced of and he just looked awful vs Man City.
He really needs to bounce back against Real Madrid, show us why we bought him permanently. I know he wasn't super expensive, but repay the faith the team put in you.
Disappointing to see Kalulu outclassed, I always said I wasn't really convinced by him, but he seemed to be someone the management were very convinced of and he just looked awful vs Man City.
He really needs to bounce back against Real Madrid, show us why we bought him permanently. I know he wasn't super expensive, but repay the faith the team put in you.
So Man City who trashed us, got knocked out by Al Hilal 4-3 in extra time, it was 2-2 in 90 mins.
In the meantime, Gatti next defender to be injured.
In the meantime, Gatti next defender to be injured.
Didnt watch the game. Real won surprisingly just 1:0. However match report says Di Gregorio MOM.
If you look at the stats, they completely dominated the game.
I haven't seen much of an Improvement under Tudor, but it's clear we have some major weaknesses in the starting line up and squad, so let's see what the team is like with the finished product.
I haven't seen much of an Improvement under Tudor, but it's clear we have some major weaknesses in the starting line up and squad, so let's see what the team is like with the finished product.
Well, if it doesnt work out with Tudor then what? Another interim midseason and again give permanent deal? Rinse and repeat. Why didnt we go for Montero then last year? He was also interim after Allegri was sacked.
Ive said it couple of times. Deschamps contract is up after World Cup. Can we have a chance to hire him? We need a top manager at some point. He also seems to be the type of guy who doesnt just go after every job and every place. For example, Inzaghi has build a good reputation in recent years. Now he just went after oil money when he could have maybe taken a job in epl or such. Or even Italy NT job.
Tudor could easily be a huge gamble. Then again, its not like we were linked with top top names realistically.
Ive said it couple of times. Deschamps contract is up after World Cup. Can we have a chance to hire him? We need a top manager at some point. He also seems to be the type of guy who doesnt just go after every job and every place. For example, Inzaghi has build a good reputation in recent years. Now he just went after oil money when he could have maybe taken a job in epl or such. Or even Italy NT job.
Tudor could easily be a huge gamble. Then again, its not like we were linked with top top names realistically.
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