Surely if it's racist he should have only been fined €350?

 

i don't get this reference...

It's funny though because the guy isn't even really Croatian

lol, he's an Aussie

 

It's funny though because the guy isn't even really Croatian

 

It is a Nazi salute which Croats used during WW2. It's the equivalent of Schweinsteiger going up to the fans after a match and saying Heil Hitler

 

awful comparison alm:

and juts because Nazis used something during WWII doesn't mean it has forever been tainted...swastika is a good example.

 

...and from Bosnian parents too.

FIFA's case is crumbling IMO.

 

Bosnian Croat parents. He still used a Nazi chant regardless.

 

Wait a minute you are acknowledging that there are Bosnian Croats.
Herceg-Bosno srce ponosno.roud:

 

Not a sexy enough homeland to be yelling something like that. If he was from Zimbabwe it would be ok.

Simunic should just keep playing. He's immune to red cards, so why not suspensions, as well? :musik:

 

Not a sexy enough homeland to be yelling something like that. If he was from Zimbabwe it would be ok.

Simunic should just keep playing. He's immune to red cards, so why not suspensions, as well? :musik:

:dielaugh::star:

 

who the hell has even heard of Croatian fascism anyway?

almost 70 years have passed and Western Europe is still obsessed with this shite.

found this on wiki:

In 2011, a court in Knin dismissed the case against a craftsman who sold souvenirs which contained the salute Za dom spremni. The court ruled that accused didn't wear clothing or souvenirs with slogan that encourage national, racial or religious hatred, but instead he was selling them. While the former is punishable by law, the latter is not. The court ruling cited that "Za dom spremni is an old Croatian salute known throughout history" as a part of defense statement, yet it didn't state any opinion on a subject.

 

who the hell has even heard of Croatian fascism anyway?

almost 70 years have passed and Western Europe is still obsessed with this shite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ustaše
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Za_dom_spremni
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far_right_in_Croatia

 

yeah but Simunic is an Aussie Bosnian, maybe he doesn't know all this historical stuff and simply yelled for his homeland

ok probably not...

still, I'd like to hear Croatian opinions about this.

It seems that FIFA has a case because in fact Simunic was fined for it in Croatia not by a sports organisation but the prosecutor's office itself:

For this incident Šimunić was fined 25,000 kunas by the Croatian State Attorney's Office for inciting racial hatred and harassment of other participants of a public gathering

I don't know, maybe it's just me but I feel it's somehow ****ed up that yelling "For Home!" will be legally interpreted as "inciting racial hatred"...even in this historical context.

 

yeah but Simunic is an Aussie Bosnian, maybe he doesn't know all this historical stuff and simply yelled for his homeland

ok probably not...

still, I'd like to hear Croatian opinions about this.

It seems that FIFA has a case because in fact Simunic was fined for it in Croatia not by a sports organisation but the prosecutor's office itself:

For this incident Šimunić was fined 25,000 kunas by the Croatian State Attorney's Office for inciting racial hatred and harassment of other participants of a public gathering

I don't know, maybe it's just me but I feel it's somehow ****ed up that yelling "For Home!" will be legally interpreted as "inciting racial hatred"...even in this historical context.

:eekani::cecco:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QL4du3XRil0

What a criminal....:howler:

 

He didn't need to do it in the first place. He only caused himself trouble by doing something which he knows people will find sensitive.

 

it's honestly just sad how one could get a 10 match ban and a huge fine for this

 

I guess seeing where you are from you will never get it

 

Stupid? Yes. Racist? No.

I don't think that Šimunić is neonazi or that he had anything like that on his mind. He's just... a footballer. Fine is alright as it opens the place for Lovren who is five times the player that Šimunić is today. Shame that Šimunić will miss the world cup as he would be great backup but he did it to himself. Should have kept his mouth closed. Now his so far spotless and successful career will have one giant nono over it. Shame to end it like that.

 

Whether or not the punishment is suitable he got what he knew was coming when he did it if he is not a complete retard. And if he is the punishment is suitable for stupidity. Everybody knows how FIFA reacts to such things in comparison to hard fouls etc. So being surprised now is weird at best.

 

I sort of doubt if FIFA had reacted so harshly if they wouldn't have the Croatian prosecutor's office decision to back it up. I must admit I was unaware of it when I made the thread.

 

FIFA hypocrites again. Šimunić gets punished for being "discriminatory" and offending "the dignity of a group of persons concerning ... race, religion or origin", but only days before this verdict Blatter was praising commie terrorist Mandela. So Blatter can abuse his position to spread political views and praise certain political figures but Šimunić can't?

 

FIFA hypocrites again. Šimunić gets punished for being "discriminatory" and offending "the dignity of a group of persons concerning ... race, religion or origin", but only days before this verdict Blatter was praising commie terrorist Mandela. So Blatter can abuse his position to spread political views and praise certain political figures but Šimunić can't?

Ero alm:

 

History is written by the winners.

 

Makar je sad Simunic spreman ostati u dom

 

Shouting a faschist chant on purpose is retiring in style and being a hero? (was one thing feigning ignorance) Wait why am I replying to you after reading your first post in this thread?

 

So it is seen as patriotism, not pro-nazism by most Croatians? After all they are the ones who have to make the real judgement and not FIFA.

 

You eager to sweep this under the rug Andy This nkm guy is saying Simunic should be allowed to share his political views (aka far right wing or faschism), he isnt saying he should be allowed to make a simple and innocent patrotic plea, that wouldnt be a political viewpoint persé.

 

Where was he "sharing his political views?" Is yelling "For the homeland" spreading a political view now? Balkan nationalism can not be simplified to the extent you or FIFA are proposing. It can't simply be reduced to the glorification of some old Nazi puppet state whenever a Croatian is yelling these words. I'm well aware of this because of my background...nationalism is intervened with the reinterpretation of WWII history too but there is always an unique context to it in every country.

Also who says political views can't be shared just because these are far right wing? So you have one law of free speech for the ultranationalists/right wing extremists and another law of free speech for all the other citizens? There are all kinds on insulting and ridiculous political views shared all over Europe every day but for some reason only one group gets punished and stigmatized for it, due to the collective guilt still inhabiting the Western European unconscious. And they write laws for us in EE as well while they hardly could give a shit of all the countless communist crimes because this is "someone else's problem".

 

I fail to understand how this is racist. I mean against which race in particular or is this like a sweeping "I hate all other peeps" kind of thing?

I will side with Voltaire on this one. But I am not easily offended by anything.

 

nkm, take off your hood and robe and post like a real man.

I'm gonna punch you so hard in your mangina.

 

yes, it is all a matter of viewpoint:

Mandela can be considered a left-wing terrorist.

Simunic can be considered a right-wing fascist.

Both are extreme views perpetuated by people who lack sufficient understanding of the cultural context.

 

Za Dom Spremni is a chant over 500 years old. As Croatian court already ruled Za Dom Spremni is not a fascist chant but a nationalistic chant. The communist government in Croatia has been on a anti nationalism raid ever since Croatia has tried to get into the EU. Za Dom Spremni has been chanted at every Croatia game since 1990 but only recently has it been a problem and deemed fascist/rascist. A coincidence i think not. When your countries minister of sports is a Serb has been pushing for this ban well what else needs to be said. Simunic you are a legend. Za Dom Spremni.roud:

 

Cool story bro, you got some more?

 

Croatia fan here, don't have one problem with what he said. It's not a nazi/racist chant in my eyes. I've chanted it before, am I now a nazi?

And this punishment is a fu.cking joke.

 

Croatia fan here, don't have one problem with what he said. It's not a nazi/racist chant in my eyes. I've chanted it before, am I now a nazi?

And this punishment is a fu.cking joke.

Yes.

 

You are a terrible troll or incredibly stupid.....actually you are just the latter