I think Terim should leave the national team. Aside from this match and the Germany match we've played some mediocre football. Terim comitted the fatal mistake of leaving it all up to the home leg. Last time we tried this we failed(Latvia anyone?). We should have prepared better for the away leg. Now we're left waiting for the next tournament.

I know this opinion may be controversial but I feel we should try out a foreign coach. The Turkish coaches can't seem to get the job done. We need some progression in this national side and the only way we can do that is with a coach that knows modern football.

Terim lost my respect by calling back Alpay, Saban, and Ergun. We shouldn't need to rely on these lifeless players everytime the team is in a jam. I wish we could fire the trio of Terim, Alpay, and Saban. These clowns have long overstayed their welcome in the national team.

 

As much at fault as Terim is, and as much as his work with the team has actually moved the team BACKWARDS since he took over, he'll be staying unfortunetly..

 

Fatih Terim's post match excuse-a-thon..

"Ben ve ekibim hep birlikte onları alkışladık. Almanya'ya gidemeseler bile, bunu hak ettiler. Bu ülke onlarla gurur duyabilir"
"Me and my assistants all clapped them together. Even if they aren't going to Germany, they deserve it. Our nation can be proud of them"

"Kim bu iki hakemi savunuyorsa, futbol bilgisinden şüphe ederim. Bu bize bahane değil, ama birinci maçta Lubos'un vermediği; hem kırmızı kart, hem penaltı... İkinci karşılaşmada meşhur Belçikalı hakem... Senderos'un Hakan'ı düşürmesi hem kırmızı kart, hem penaltı... Yine Senderos'un elle topu kornere yollaması... Degen'in yaptığı hareket kırmızı kart... Bu iki hakem de Türkiye'ye kıymıştır, yazık etmiştir. Çocuklarımızın ve bizim emeklerimizi çalmıştır, bunlar hırsızdır. Yapılan ahlaksızlıktır. Oyuncularımın emeklerine üzülüyorum, Almanya'da olamadığımıza üzülüyorum. Bir aydır bağırıyorum ama bazılarının işine gelmiyor. Ben artık yaşadığım sürece bir daha Türk hakemlerine tek bir şey söylemeyeceğim. Onlara haksızlık ediyoruz. Benim de bir istiap haddim var. Bugün doğru dürüst bir hakem olsa, benim oyuncularım 5 tane de atardı, altı tane de... Dört gün içinde üç tane penaltı var. İlk maçtaki Lubos Michel, Leeds ile oynadığımız karşılaşmada, hem Kewell'ı hem de Emre'yi yanlış atmıştır" dedi.

"Whoever defends this referee has no clue about football. This isn't an excuse, but in the first match the red card and penalty he didn't give to Lubos... In the second match the famous Belgian referee... Sendero's trip on Hakan is a penalty and a red card... Again Senderos' handball sending the ball for a corner... Degen's action is a red card... These two referees slaughtered us, it's a pity. They stole all of our hardwork, they're thieves. What they did is immoral. I feel sorry for the effort our players put in. I'm upset we won't be in Germany. I've been screaming for a month, but some people don't want to listen, I won't criticise another Turkish referee as long as I live, we're doing them an injustice. If we had a proper referee today, we'd have scored 5, even 6 goals... In four days there's been 3 penalties. The referee of the first match Lubos Michel was the one who wrongfully sent off both Kewell and Emre in the Leeds match [in 2000]."


"İkinci maçın hakemini niye değiştirdiklerini sorduğumuzda, bize, önceki hakemin Fenerbahçe - Schalke maçında iki kırmızı kart gösterdiğini ve bu maçın da Kadıköy'de olması nedeniyle psikolojik etkisi olabileceğini söylediler. Peki Bleeckere, U 17'ye üç kırmızı kart gösteren hakem değil miydi? Bunu niye düşünmediler?"

"When we asked why the referee of the first game was changed, they tell us that the referee before sent off two players in the Fener - Schalke match and because the game was in Kadikoy there may be psychological effects. Well then, wasn't Bleeckere the referee who sent off three players in the U17s game? Why didn't they think of this?"

"Karşımızda, medeniyetin beşiği(!) bir takım var. Ama medeniyet kisvesi altında, bayağı bir ahlaksızlık görüyoruz. Bu konuda müthiş profesyoneller"

"Against us we had a team who's the leaders of civilisation(!). But under this civilisation, we saw quite a few immoral acts. They're brilliant professionals when it comes to that."

"Şimdi kendi takımımızı kuracağız. Daha geniş bir havuzdan oyuncularımızı bulacağız. Nuri ve onun gibi genç arkadaşlarımızla tabanca gibi bir ekip hazırlanacağız. Türk futbolunu 10-15 yıl ileriye taşıyacak yeni bir nesil bulacağız" dedi.

"Now we'll build our own team, choosing from a bigger pool of players. We'll prepare a gun outfit with players like Nuri and others like him. We'll find what we need to carry Turkish football 10-15 years into the future"

And then this dialog..

Journalist: "Neden hakemlere bu kadar yükleniyorsunuz?"
Why are you so stuck on the referees?"
Terim: "Siz herhalde maçları seyretmediniz. İki maçta da birer kişi eksik oynadık. Hakemlerle birlikte İsviçre 12 kişiydi.. Bravo, tren rayı gibi takımınızla birlikte gittiniz, takımınızı desteklediniz"
You obviously didn't watch the matches. In both matches we played a man down, the referee's where the 12th man for the Swiss.. Bravo, you've followed your team hand in hand like a train rail, you supported them well [obviously, sarcastically] :rollani: "

Someone buy this FOOL a mirror, he's more at fault for this mess then anyone else..

 

Damn We'll Never Learn Guys.........

 

Terrible Just Terrible...............

 

Without Terim, we would not even see the play-offs. We would most probably fail to win any of our remaining games with Laptop. Now at least we play good attractive football mostly... Terim will have time now actually to create a new team, instead of Laptops strange selections we may see a defence that holds and players that play at right positions....

I am glad that he will be the one to build up a new team. :thumbsup:

 

We played one good game under Terim, apart from that we played the most shocking football around..

Terim deserves no credit for getting us to the playoffs, we where already second, FACT.. Tumer's goals kept us there, FACT.. Terim's input was seen in the playoffs, FACT..

 

Then who would you like to see as the head of the NT?

 

As for the game. We played much better than i expected. But unfortunatly this was a lost cause already in Switzerland. Our team put a heroic effort during the first half of the game, untill the third goal. After that Switzerland managed controll our attacks better and better. We just got tired of all struggling untill the third goal. You could see that. We needed two quick changes after the third goal...Some of our players played brilliantly while others were way below avarage

Volkan(5): Non of the goals was his foult, but he did make 2-3 idiotic misstakes, misstakes that a better team would convert to goal. I am very dissapointed by his performance, really. Nothing wrong with his goalkeeping ability, but he seems to have some kind of braindamage in certain situations. He more and more reminds me of Fevzi... :scared:

Hamit(8): He was dangerous almost every time he runed forward. Perfect crosses, very good dribbling and a well passing game. But he is not a naturlal right back and forgot his position some times. I rather see him as right midfielder. We have to find another right-back and use this guy as midfielder.

Alpay(4): I am very dissapointed by him this game. He made Volkan look good with his passing game in comprision. Unbelievble....

Tolga(5): Alpay and Tolga did not co-operate well, i expected more from him this game.

Ergun(8): Hell, i almost wanted to cry when i saw his crosses and long balls to Hakan Sukur. What a player. He is old, his defensive game is not the best, but hell, he should be on our left side every game when we play against weaker teams. Allahım, bana bu günleride göstedin ya, başka birşey istemem artık. :tongue: We have to find another left-back.

Serhat(7): I would not use him where he played, but he played well...A smart penalty by him.

Emre(7): He did what we expected from him. If we only had him in the first game... :sigh: He was our playmaker and did it very well...

Selcuk(5): Everytime he had the ball, he had to turn around 360 degrees instead of passing to free player. He is just like Tugay was 12 years ago, the difference is that Tugay had better technice, creativity, passing and strenght... We absolutely have to find a decent defensive midfielder...

Necati(7): He used the wings well, but had problems with the crosses. He was little bit unlucky&unskilled in goalscoring. But he did create lots of trouble for the opponents with his run into empty spaces. He got tired too quick IMO.

Tuncay(9): He made hat-trick, do i have to say more? :star:

Hakan Sukur(9): This guy won maybe 70% of the long balls&crossings. With his runs he created a hell for the opponent defence, his only misstake was that he could not score in the situation where he was free. If we had 15-16 dangerous attacks this game, at least half of it was thanx to Hakans areial ability. Thanx Hakan, kim ne derse desin...I hope we´ll find a decent replacement untill EC2008

 

We played one good game under Terim, apart from that we played the most shocking football around..

All our games, except the away game with Switzerland was good with Terim. I am pretty satisfied by how he has handled his job....

And Laptop would never have been able to win against Denmark and Ukraine. Also didnt Greece have one game less when Laptop leaved?

Terim deserves no credit for getting us to the playoffs, we where already second, FACT.. Tumer's goals kept us there, FACT.. Terim's input was seen in the playoffs, FACT..

Tumer was selected by Terim, same goes for Hakan that made two assists to Tumer. None of them would play with Laptop.

 

Then who would you like to see as the head of the NT?

IF we had to get rid of Yanal before he finished the job, then I could come up with many candidates better then Fatih :yuck: Terim..

For a quick fix there was Lucescu. He'd haev certainly got us to Germany, but what he'd do after that I wouldn't be too optimistic about..

We could bring a foreigner, people like Hitzfeld, Le Guen or many of the other unattached European managers..

Hell, if Australia can sign the world's best in Guus Hiddink, then there's hundreds of alternatives for us to choose from..

 

All our games, except the away game with Switzerland was good with Terim. I am pretty satisfied by how he has handled his job....

And Laptop would never have been able to win against Denmark and Ukraine. Also didnt Greece have one game less when Laptop leaved?



Tumer was selected by Terim, same goes for Hakan that made two assists to Tumer. None of them would play with Laptop.

How do you know we wouldn't have made it with Yanal? Do you have a crystal ball?

Hell, I have PROOF that we DIDN'T make it with Terim..

P.S - The world's greatest manager, Guus Hiddink, also has a laptop and performs statistical analysis' of his players, as do all high class managers world wide these days.. But I guess you'd rather be ignorant to that then give up your little 'joke' eh?

 

How do you know we wouldn't have made it with Yanal? Do you have a crystal ball?

No, but i saw how his NT performed... This guys NT could not even win aganst a 10 man Denmark away, how can he beat 11 man Denmark home or Ukraine(0-3 at home under Laptop remember) away? :tongue:

Hell, I have PROOF that we DIDN'T make it with Terim..

At least we got to the play-offs with Terim, something we would not be able to with Laptop....

This guy did not even manage to create a decent defence in his two years... Now give Terim as much time as you gave Laptop... I waited a year before i started critizise Laptop....

 

i heard that 1 swiss plyer is in hospital....and we r the highest ranked team not to be in the world cup...i hope just like everytime they dont blame us for the violence......god interview fatih terim.......he says now it is time to play nuri and younger players , if he has so much faith in nuri and even named him then why didnt he play nuri in the 1st place..its like fatih terim was waiting for this result and just wanted to give the oldies 1 final chance and had alrweady made up his mind on not lookin at the youngsters.....and these red cross guys are really really cheap..there was no need to do what huggel did...and why do all these guys who dont support turkey come in our forums to mock us....they dont even have a little decency.goons. overall i think our future is bright except at the back..we need a maldini or a puyol or a cannavarro...

 

yeah, we surely have to fix our defence...

 

Hop Swiss

You will not have a chance to win the worldcup before 2014 ...... The FIFA is thinking of banned Turkey of the next world cup......

You just deserve it. Start to act as human and maybe you will do it in the future. Shame on you because you can play well but you are not able to refrain anger. (Emre is a typical player that has no brain....he should be sent off last night after pushing the referee twice)



HOP SWISS

Bye Turkey..... All of your actual players will never taste a world cup again....in 2014 they will be too old

 

No, but i saw how his NT performed... This guys NT could not even win aganst a 10 man Denmark away, how can he beat 11 man Denmark home or Ukraine(0-3 at home under Laptop remember) away? :tongue:

At least we got to the play-offs with Terim, something we would not be able to with Laptop....

This guy did not even manage to create a decent defence in his two years... Now give Terim as much time as you gave Laptop... I waited a year before i started critizise Laptop....

A Ukraine reserves side played us off the park, you think Terim had anything to do with the victory? It was Volkan at one end and Tumer at the other..

Denmark, I'm sure we would've beaten, but nonetheless why do you find it fair to say we definitely would or wouldn't have beaten someone?

Talk about giving a guy time, why wasn't Yanal given enough time to finish what he started? Had he failed, then OK get rid of him.. Infact he'd probably have resigned himself if he had failed..

 

You will not have a chance to win the worldcup before 2014 ...... The FIFA is thinking of banned Turkey of the next world cup......

Won't happen, but I'd be grateful if it's discussed in public..

Maybe that will put some of our so called representatives into perspective. People in the positions Fatih Terim and Davut Disli are in can't say the things they're saying and expect to get away with it.. Their words are basically advocating idiotic behaviour and inflaming things for no reason..

Unfortunetly, many a Turkish people seem to react to someone stooping low by stooping even lower. It's something I can't understand about us, maybe I'm lucky I've been brought up in a laid back Australian culture and can do a decent job at keeping my emotions in check (by Turkish standards)..

 

You will not have a chance to win the worldcup before 2014 ...... The FIFA is thinking of banned Turkey of the next world cup......

You just deserve it. Start to act as human and maybe you will do it in the future. Shame on you because you can play well but you are not able to refrain anger. (Emre is a typical player that has no brain....he should be sent off last night after pushing the referee twice)



HOP SWISS

Bye Turkey..... All of your actual players will never taste a world cup again....in 2014 they will be too old

:scared: is that right?

 

Your rant is just a continuation of your previous negative attitude dude. It's your opinion but I'm finding it quite unfounded. Terim certainly made mistakes but also made good choices. We were all damning Sukur and Ergun untill the end, but look at what they did in the end. We were UNLUCKY not to go through. You're accusing him of making excuses but he already apologized to everyone for not going through so he is not moving away from the responsiblity. It's very simple to attack someone in the end after they fail but not very sporty man.

I wonder, if Yanal failed would you would have reacted in the same way? And Lucescu at the team? You must be joking? Asides Yanal who could work with the team?

BTW Terim not only has the task to lead the team but he also has the task to find and build something for the future. I see no other than Terim fit for this task. So he's important for us in the long term and I hope to see he sticks to the national team in another role after he resigns the coaching role. Terim is a treasure for Turkish football.

 

Hi everyone:
My first post after a while..Just a couple of things..

1-We need to stop making a scapegoat out of Terim and Hakan Sukur-they both did well, especially Hakan-he played really well yesterday-all our players did and they made us proud..

2-The Swiss DİD have the referees on their side in both games, two clear penalties were overlooked and that would've made the difference...

3-The Swiss did know how to provoke us and we fell for it-remember how provocative they were during the first game as well, and they kept on bringing up the Stereotypes against Turks-a very cheap way to do things if you ask me...

4-To those criticizing our players and our team-seriously, the Swiss had the refs support on their side and they lobbied well..İn that regard i find the current federation and our sports minister to be extremely weak and expect their resignations..Even Haluk Ulusoy did 10times better in terms of lobbying for Turkish interests..

Last but not least-our team is way better than this pathetic Swiss team-but they managed to scrape by with some help, so I wont congratulate them.

oh-BTW, the swiss player that went to the hospital ended up having nothing...theyt played it very smart and even while leaving tried to agitate and provoke us-what abunch of...

 

Start to act as human and maybe you will do it in the future.

As if the choirboy 'civilized' Swiss are innocent here. Give me a break.

edit: good points, but last sentence went too far...

 

Don't know if it's said before but it is writen Sukur is going to stop with the national team.

Good last performance from the man. Onun acik olsun Hakan abi

 

dun worry guys, France also didnt make it to Italia90 and USA94. I guess ZZ was their key to success, and i am quite optimistic that Nuri will be be guilding success to Euro2008, where we'll kick some swiss cheesw arse!

 

I wonder, if Yanal failed would you would have reacted in the same way? And Lucescu at the team? You must be joking? Asides Yanal who could work with the team?

Had he been given a chance to fail, then I'd say "he failed, he couldn't do it, it's time for a change"..

This is international football, not a throne for Terim to sit on and stroke his ego. He failed, he's out, that's how it is everywhere else and how it should be here..

Infact, the question really should be how all of you Terimci's would react had it not been Terim. There's an alarming number of posters here, and Turkish people in general, who put blind trust in Terim and back up his words no matter what he says.. Truly sad..