make a poll...

i choose bundesliga just because the stadiums are 99% full, serie a stadiums are 15% full..
but serie a will always be a league that everyone will watch...

 

Right now it is definitely close, Bundesliga seems to be growing much more in the right direction though in comparison to Serie A. Thats all I can say for now.

 

it's not even a competition right now deano, again if stadiums are not even 50% full it shows that the league doesn't have 'interest' anymore...

 

Bundesliga would be my favourite league if I didn't live in England, probably. Fast paced, high scoring and competitive.

 

Well your definition of better wasn't what I was thinking. I think in terms of quality teams/players, Serie A. However in terms of overall league I think it's ze Germans. Serie has a lot of lame clubs.

 

Serie A is better even though it consists of a bunch of corrupts. German teams gets buttfvcked by Serie A teams in CL.

 

1. Serie A/Premier League
2. Bundesliga
3. La Liga/Ligue 1

 

Entertainment-wise, Bundesliga.

If you're into traditional big teams and derbies, Serie A is still it.

In terms of competitiveness, Serie A looks up for grabs for Milan right now and potentially, Roma or Juve with Inter as the longshot of the big 4.

Think the Bungesliga EL-tier teams are superior to the Serie A EL-tier teams too.

 

Bundesliga has everything, seemingly. Offensive football, packed stadiums, cheap ticket prices(!!).

If Roma weren't in serie A, I'd definitely watch the Germans more than I do.

 

Bundesliga has everything, seemingly. Offensive football, packed stadiums, cheap ticket prices(!!).

+ decent Tv-production of games.

 

Bundesliga also has a few Bosnian players while Serie A doesnt so that makes it automatically better from what I've heard Cacini

 

well, I don't think the Bundesliga has a foreign cap like all the other top leagues in Europe and their NT doesn't seem to suffer

If you asked me 15-20 years ago I would have said Serie A hands down, but I'm leaning towards the Bundesliga now. I still enjoy Serie A actually, but not as passionately as I did back in the mid 90s. I don't like the standard of refs in Italy and many matches are not enjoyable anymore, and as somebody mentioned, its tough to watch games where 7,000 people show up in a stadium the fits 30,000.

Bundesliga for some reason though gets very little coverage here in America, which is a shame, good league, tons of goals (which could sell the sport here in America, but they'd rather show Chelsea whoop on Wolves or some shit like that), good crowds, no crazy-tackling mofos, unpredictable...:thmbup:

 

Die Zweite Bundlesliga is better than Serie A1

 

Ok than, so we all agree that Serie A is the 4th best league in Europe, jolly. Let's move on now.................

 

About the myth of the 85% empty (or 15% full) stadiums
http://www.stadiapostcards.com/A10-11.htm

 

There is only 3 or 4 "interesting" teams in Serie A, where as in Germany there are about ten easily.

 

There is only 3 or 4 "interesting" teams in Serie A, where as in Germany there are about ten easily.

What are those?

 

Someone do a best XI from both those leagues.

 

Kuntz - Kranz, Kaltz, Klos, Kreuz - Kroos, Kern, Krauss, Krupp - Krapfen, Kukident

 

I guess St. Pauli do carry some of the same attraction as Tokio Hotel.

Schalke are more akin to a Schlagerparade.

 

1 Internazionale 50,000
2 AC Milan 46,536
3 Napoli 37,600
4 AS Roma 31,666
5 Lazio 28,000
6 Bari 26,500
7 Genoa 23,695
8 Palermo 22,666
9 Fiorentina 22,487
10 Sampdoria 21,752
11 Juventus 21,604
12 Lecce 20,185
13 Bologna 20,000
14 Cesena 16,323
15 Cagliari 15,800
16 Parma 15,345
17 Brescia 14,400
18 Udinese 14,029
19 Catania 12,236
20 Chievo Verona 9,760

Italian Serie A - Unofficial Average Attendance: 23,581

Rank Team Total Average
1 Borussia Dortmund 76,028
2 Bayern Munich 69,000
3 Schalke 04 61,126
4 Hamburg SV 54,915
5 FC Cologne 48,840
6 Kaiserslautern 46,620
7 Eintracht Frankfurt 46,100
8 Monchengladbach 46,084
9 Hannover 96 43,900
10 Nurnberg 40,806
11 VfB Stuttgart 39,666
12 Werder Bremen 34,464
13 TSG Hoffenheim 29,810
14 VfL Wolfsburg 28,272
15 Bayer Leverkusen 28,131
16 St Pauli 24,068
17 SC Freiburg 23,333
18 Mainz 20,266

German Bundesliga - Unofficial Average Attendance: 42,359

You see a difference in attendences no?

 

1 Barcelona 75,400
2 Real Madrid 70,000
3 Atlético Madrid 43,000
4 Valencia 40,479
5 Sevilla FC 37,400
6 Athletic Bilbao 34,400
7 Real Zaragoza 26,500
8 Real Sociedad 24,600
9 Espanyol 23,800
10 Hercules 23,600
11 Málaga 23,400
12 Sporting Gijon 19,800
13 Villarreal 17,500
14 Levante 15,600
Deportivo 15,600
16 Osasuna 15,500
17 Racing 14,600
18 Mallorca 11,400
19 Almeria 10,700
20 Getafe 10,400

Spanish Primera División - Unofficial Average Attendance: 27,695

 

So you see that Bundesliga has a higher attendance number, significantly, more than La Liga and Serie A combined! A shame that there isn't another German team that could challenge the CL...

 

So you see that Bundesliga has a higher attendance number, significantly, more than La Liga and Serie A combined! A shame that there isn't another German team that could challenge the CL...

your math skills suck, kid

 

1 Manchester United 75,212
2 Arsenal 60,024
3 Manchester City 46,612
4 Newcastle United 45,419
5 Liverpool 43,377
6 Chelsea 41,575
7 Sunderland 39,284
8 Aston Villa 36,854
9 Everton 36,556
10 Tottenham Hotspur 35,775
11 West Ham United 33,639
12 Wolverhampton 27,498
13 Stoke City 26,573
14 Fulham 25,206
15 Birmingham 24,562
16 Blackburn Rovers 24,471
17 West Bromwich Albion 23,635
18 Bolton Wanderers 21,803
19 Blackpool 15,770
20 Wigan Athletic 15,699

English Premier League - Unofficial Average Attendance: 34,976

 

LOL I grew up watching italian football as a kid, we used to go place bets every sunday at 10 years old lol and i could tell you that shit changed A LOT.

Players got old, I hate watching football where a game is going to end up 1-0 or 0-0. I really hate it, I can't go through it.

This week's results...
Brescia 1 - 1 Juventus
Cagliari 0 - 1 Napoli
Catania 1 - 0 Udinese
Cesena 1 - 0 Lazio
Chievo 0 - 0 Bari
Genoa 1 - 0 Bologna
Lecce 1 - 1 Internazionale
Milan 3 - 1 Palermo
Roma 3 - 2 Fiorentina
Parma 1 - 0 Sampdoria

Look at the Bundesliga difference!

Schalke 04 3 - 0 St. Pauli
Hamburger SV 2 - 1 Hoffenheim
Eintracht Fran… 3 - 1 Wolfsburg
Borussia M'gla… 3 - 3 Bayern München
Freiburg 1 - 0 Mainz 05
Nürnberg 3 - 1 Köln
Hannover 96 0 - 4 Borussia Dortmund
Leverkusen 3 - 1 Kaiserslautern
Stuttgart 6 - 0 Werder Bremen

Bundesliga : 35 Goals!
Serie A : 18 Goals!

I don't know how anyone could follow the league anymore...

 

Goals scored doesn't mean an awful lot tbh, Dutch league probably leads in that aspect.

But if you want to use it, iirc Serie A had a higher goals/match avg compared to La Liga and the Premiership a couple of seasons ago (too lazy to check, rob the nerd probably knows)

 

lol math isn't required in knowing football so suck it

 

Goals doesnt mean entertainment, go watch the Dutch league , you can see every week 7-0,6-1, 5-1...etc.
And if you are looking to attendance Bundesliga is higher than la Liga and premier league, it means nothing too in terms of quality of football cuz as we know Bundesliga is not on the same level as the 2 leagues listed.

 

Van Gaal after Bayern 2-0 Roma....this I think explains the whole discussion of Serie A entertainment :

"Roma only got over the halfway line five times – they just sat back and defended "

 

It happens, Bayern faced Roma when we were in a miserable form even Cagliari defeated Roma by 5, it means nothing.
I can remind you that Inter ****ed Bayern last year & Bayern needed a robbery to defeat Fiorentina last year.

Btw Fiorentina wasnt from the top 5 last-year.