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1966 & 1974 World Cups Were Fixed

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#1 ·
Former FIFA President Joao Havelange has made some quite sensational, and potentially damaging, allegations by claiming that the 1966 and 1974 World Cups were fixed so that England and Germany would win respectively.

The 1966 World Cup held in England has been the centre of a number of conspiracy theories over the years. These include England’s quarter final victory over Argentina when the hosts won 1-0 after the South Americans had seen their captain Antonio Rattin controversially handed a straight red card for arguing with the referee.

It has been claimed that there was a plot for England to win the World Cup, and the referee from this game was German, while the official in Germany’s quarter final win over Uruguay was English. The controversy continued in the final with Geoff Hurst’s famous ‘was it over the line?’ goal.

Joao Havelange, who was FIFA President from 1974 until 1998 is certain to have further fuelled these conspiracy theories by openly stating that the 1966 and ’74 World Cups were fixed.

"In the three matches that the Brazilian national team played in 1966, of the three referees and six linesmen, seven were British and two were Germans," Havelange told Folha de Sao Paulo.

"Brazil went out, Pele ‘exited’ through injury [following some rough defensive play], and England and Germany entered into the final, just as the Englishman Sir Stanley Rous, who was the President of FIFA at the time, had wanted.

"In Germany in 1974 the same thing happened. During the Brazil-Holland match, the referee was German, we lost 2-0 and Germany won the title," said Havelange.

"We were the best in the world, and had the same team that had won the World Cup in 1962 in Chile and 1970 in Mexico, but it was planned for the host countries to win.”

World Cup hosts have been at the centre of many conspiracy claims over the year. In 1978 Argentina needed to beat Copa America holders Peru by four clear goals to reach the final ahead of Brazil. They won 6-0 but their were dark rumours that Peru, who had an Argentine-born goalkeeper, had thrown the game. Meanwhile in 2002, minnows South Korea were at the centre of similar claims as they finished fourth after seeing a host of dubious decisions go their way in the victories over Italy and Spain.

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#2 · (Edited)
"In Germany in 1974 the same thing happened. During the Brazil-Holland match, the referee was German, we lost 2-0 and Germany won the title," said Havelange.

What! :eek:

We outplayed the Brasilians in 1974... we didn't need any help of a German referee. I remember a Brasilian got a red card yes but he deserved it with a bad tackle on Neeskens. Never saw a Brasilian team ever playing so physical.
 
#3 ·
Maybe he should, you know, presented some sort of evidence as befitting of an-FIFA president, the things he said, I might have said as well and have been known for decades...
 
#7 ·
66 has more evidence that it was fixed than 74, just look at the final it was a disgrace...
 
#12 ·
it's a bit hard to see full matches from these competitions but there has been plenty of talk about Mussolini's involvement with the refs in 1934 and 1954 final is infamous too.

I've seen footage from 1954 final and it's obvious that the ref was favouring the Germans. Probably they didn't want an Eastern European team to win it.

It's pretty naive to think that all the World Cups have been refereed fairly and there has never been any influencing. Nothing can be proven of course but there always will be doubts and rumors...one only has to remember WC2002 and what happened in S.Korea vs Italy and S.Korea vs Spain.
 
#17 ·
How can you know it didn't happen? :lala:

I have my personal opinions, I don't expect anybody to agree.

Although England's 1966 fix is clear and obvious, by the fact itself that they are 1966 world champions. They have always been utter garbage on international stage, jesus christ they even got beaten by USA in WC1950 and back then they were supposed to be the dominant nation in world game. They have always been chokers extraordinaire and to even think that they could have won the World Cup without massive help from the referees is to deny all logic and reason :D
 
#15 ·
Eusebio had 4 goals called offside during the semis and the venue was changed 12 hours before the game. Portugal was already in Liverpool and was the only team that traveled the night before the game.

1966 was fixed.

/thread
 
#37 ·
It's hardly envy when it's erected once, and never got up again.
 
#19 ·
Also, if anyone wants to see that match (1966: Semi Finals: England v Portugal: Spanish Commentary), let me know. I'll point you in the right direction. I also have Portugal's match against North Korea too (quarters) . . .

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#22 ·
66 is dodgy as **** if you read all of the reports regarding it. Especially the Portugal semi-final. The venue was changed the day before to Wembley (meaning that Portugal had to travel from Liverpool on short notice). Whilst in the game, Eusebio had a whole bunch of goals disallowed.

It wouldn't surprise me if a WC has been fixed in the past.
 
#30 ·
That 1974 game wasn't fixed at all. Holland played much better than us, for what I've seen. Leão made a spectacular save after a Cruyff shot, it could be worse.

From the 1970 team starters , We had only Rivellino , Jairzinho, Piazza on the 1974 XI. We didn't have the following players(starters only) :

Pele - let's just say he was irreplaceable
Tostão
Gerson
Clodoaldo
Carlos Alberto Torres


They were the players we really missed, since the following starters from 1970 were replaced by better players :

1970 - 1974
Felix - Leão (was the 3rd GK in 70)
Brito - Luis Pereira
Everaldo - Marinho Chagas
 
#31 ·
So the idea is there were 2 World Cups that SHOCK Brazil didn't win, and thus there needs to be some conspiracy or plot to explain it, rather than the more common "beaten on the day" approach accepted by less arrogant types?
 
#32 ·
About the famous Geoff Hurst's second goal against West Germany in 1966 final, the linesman who gave it was the Azeri Tofik Bakhramov (Sovietic in those years). According to Jonathan Wilson´s book "Behind the curtain; travels in Eastern European football" he allegedly gave the game away on his deathbed:

Asked by a reporter, desperate to have his final thoughts on the controversy, how could he be so sure the ball had crossed the line, Bakhramov apparently answered with a single word:

"Stalingrad"




;)
 
#33 ·
He left out France 98 and Euro 00. Crappy golden goals, poor R9 was poisoned hours before the WC final, REF didn't blow the whistle when he had to...:(