Riquelme

Don Vito · Aug 1, 2001

whats wrong with barca .i thought that they were supposed to buy riquelme this season. well any way now that we dont have him he is open to any other club.

Alter Ego · Aug 1, 2001

this story is becoming pathetic, every month rivaldo is gonna be sold and riquelme is coming, dont u have something better to talk.

im sure when december comes then u guys will say ohhhhhh riquelme is coming in march is official now.

u now the only reason cause riquelme is not here, while aimar and saviola made it to spain, Riquelme style of play is not suit 4 europe. if u dont belive me ask Capello,
but the media just want you to belive he is coming so u guys can buy their papers and have controversial talks.

maxout · Aug 1, 2001

Alter Ego said:
u now the only reason cause riquelme is not here, while aimar and saviola made it to spain, Riquelme style of play is not suit 4 europe. if u dont belive me ask Capello,
but the media just want you to belive he is coming so u guys can buy their papers and have controversial talks.

Really? Tell me EXACTLY how Riquelme's style is not suited to europe. I'm not disagreeing with you.. I just want to know specifically your reasons.

Finally, if, as you suggest, the reasons for Riquelme not moving have to do with his unsutability for the european game, then why has not some club offered a 50/50 deal with boca? a loan?

Are you really saying that Riquelme could not play well in England, Spain, France, Italy, Germany, or the Netherlands? HIS GAME IS NOT SUITED FOR ANY OF THE TEAMS IN THESE LEAGUES????? Because there are several clubs that could afford him in these leagues.

If nobody wants him.. Bring him to America.. I'll go watch him play.

Alter Ego · Aug 1, 2001

ive seen many of Boca s game and i must confess he is a maestro he creates lots of offense and he had delivers glory 4 his team. But one reason I say he is not good 4 Europe is that he HOLDS to the ball too much

the whole team has to play 4 him. Remenber Ariel Ortega, he came to Valencia and he wanted to dribbled most of the game just as he did in River play then they send him to Italy and the same story. DEnildson came to Spain as the next Ronaldo and the guy after a season just manage to score a goal or maybe two, and Betis went to the second division. So lots of teams dont want to gamble. maybe if he ever come to Spain or Italy he probably has to adapt and changes his style a bit. something aimar and the great saviola wont have to do.

ronrz · Aug 1, 2001

Alter Ego said:
this story is becoming pathetic, every month rivaldo is gonna be sold and riquelme is coming, dont u have something better to talk.

im sure when december comes then u guys will say ohhhhhh riquelme is coming in march is official now.
u now the only reason cause riquelme is not here, while aimar and saviola made it to spain, Riquelme style of play is not suit 4 europe. if u dont belive me ask Capello,
but the media just want you to belive he is coming so u guys can buy their papers and have controversial talks.

Come on now, you're not still bitter over the football lesson that Riquelme gave your team of millionaires last year in tokyo , are you? no it couldn't be that, could it?

ronrz · Aug 1, 2001

Riquelme's style not suited for europe? JA, JA, JA, JA, JA, JA, JA, JA.............................

Laska kolbaska · Aug 2, 2001

Alter Ego, pretty shaking opinion you have. If the guy holds the ball - it means he won`t suit for Europe. Any facts? You remembered Ortega and Denilson to proove us you`re right. Oh, Capello thinks Riquelme isn`t good enough too. And that`s all? That`s why I called it pretty shaking opinion. I can remember two nice examples too: Maradona and Ronaldo - they love(d) to hold the ball too. And I know what Cruyff said about Riquelme - nothing bad at all.

What I mean, it`s not enough to call the guy unsuitable for Europe, cause of 2 player`s bad careers and 1 manager`s opinion.

Why I am thinking, that if Real linked with Riquelme, Alter Ego could be more optimistic about player`s future?

Jealous, huh? :tongue:

Don Vito · Aug 2, 2001

well i have seen many european players who like to dribble or keep the ball but that didnt mean that they were not suited for europe. dont you think it is too early to judge, he hasnt even played in europe yet. Laska, Maradona is a perfect example. i think it is just a matter of adjusting and great players can easily adjust.

Alter Ego · Aug 2, 2001

Don Vito said:
well i have seen many european players who like to dribble or keep the ball but that didnt mean that they were not suited for europe. dont you think it is too early to judge, he hasnt even played in europe yet. Laska, Maradona is a perfect example. i think it is just a matter of adjusting and great players can easily adjust.

Ive seen them too but too bad that after a while they ended on the reserve list. and the one who talks about adjusting was me. Read my post at the end. and maradona example 4 me is not that perfect. How can u compare the greatest player ever with this guy stock in Bocas Jr. while Gaspart decides is he ever gonna come. Ronaldo may has hold to the ball, but he was like rocket going to the opponent goal. Riquelme ive seen him getting the ball 1/4 of the goals net and turn around run backwards and then start to run again.

What ever¡¡¡¡¡¡ if u think he is coming in DECEMBER fine, but in your case I rather wait for Santa Claus instead. :angel:

dwidhade · Aug 2, 2001

should Riquelme join Barca next season I think Rivaldo gonna be sold....but if he doesn't get sold later his value will drop significantly

maxout · Aug 3, 2001

Ronaldo&vieri said:
should Riquelme join Barca next season I think Rivaldo gonna be sold....but if he doesn't get sold later his value will drop significantly

Who's value will drop? Riquelme or Rivaldo?

Pep · Aug 3, 2001

he means Rivaldo's 'coz he's getting older:lala:

maxout · Aug 3, 2001

Alter Ego said:
Ive seen them too but too bad that after a while they ended on the reserve list. and the one who talks about adjusting was me. Read my post at the end. and maradona example 4 me is not that perfect. How can u compare the greatest player ever with this guy stock in Bocas Jr. while Gaspart decides is he ever gonna come. Ronaldo may has hold to the ball, but he was like rocket going to the opponent goal. Riquelme ive seen him getting the ball 1/4 of the goals net and turn around run backwards and then start to run again.

What ever¡¡¡¡¡¡ if u think he is coming in DECEMBER fine, but in your case I rather wait for Santa Claus instead. :angel:

Gosh, you seem awfully negative. I agree with your general assessment that different players are suited to different playing styles, but I still don't think you have answered my question. Which is, are you saying that this player can be the best player in south america, but he can't be anywhere near that in europe.. in ANY important league? You would think that with sooo many different styles in different countries, he could find a place to fit in.

You mention Ortega, my understanding was that the reason that ortega didn't do well, was more due to his fragility, and the fact that he spent more time chasing women than practicing.

As for Denilson, take a look at the discussion in the Brazillian forum recently. They seem to believe (correctly I think) that his natural position as a winger, just doesnt provide him enough leverage to make a difference. Also, I think Riquelme is much more accomplished, mature, and polished than any of the other players.

Yeah Riquelme could be a flop. After all, why has a player that is 23 years old not moved to europe yet? There are obviously some questions with him, but I don't think 'his game isn't suited for europe' Put it this way... maybe he wont become the next zidane (who suffers from some of the same problems), but he definitely wont be a denilson or even ortega. I think 15mil pounds is a good gamble for a club like Barcelona.

DBOY · Aug 3, 2001

maxout, I don't even think there's anything suspicious about him not having moved yet, since that IMO just shows that he's loyal to his club. Also, look at a player like Shevchenko who moved in a relatively old age compared to the norms, and he was a massive hit. I think Romy would rock, just like Saviola's going to, and he's even proved his ability against a team like R.Madrid in the Toyota Cup.

BTW, nice avatar maxout, it brings up nice memories

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Laska kolbaska · Aug 3, 2001

Shevchenko is very unusual person. This guy have unbelievable character. Italy isn`t the best place for him. Spain is. Same situation with Ronaldo.

maxout · Aug 3, 2001

Thanks for the compliment dboy.. I've been waiting for post 250 so I could put it on.

Laska:
I agree about Ronaldo, but I dunno about Shevy. It seems like he is a pretty well built guy and seems suited to the punishment of Serie A. I think one of the reasons people are negative is because last year, Milan had major offensive problems which were not his fault, I think those problems are fixed this year, and I think they will be the best team in Italy this year.

ronrz · Aug 3, 2001

maxout said:
Gosh, you seem awfully negative. I agree with your general assessment that different players are suited to different playing styles, but I still don't think you have answered my question. Which is, are you saying that this player can be the best player in south america, but he can't be anywhere near that in europe.. in ANY important league? You would think that with sooo many different styles in different countries, he could find a place to fit in.

You mention Ortega, my understanding was that the reason that ortega didn't do well, was more due to his fragility, and the fact that he spent more time chasing women than practicing.

As for Denilson, take a look at the discussion in the Brazillian forum recently. They seem to believe (correctly I think) that his natural position as a winger, just doesnt provide him enough leverage to make a difference. Also, I think Riquelme is much more accomplished, mature, and polished than any of the other players.

Yeah Riquelme could be a flop. After all, why has a player that is 23 years old not moved to europe yet? There are obviously some questions with him, but I don't think 'his game isn't suited for europe' Put it this way... maybe he wont become the next zidane (who suffers from some of the same problems), but he definitely wont be a denilson or even ortega. I think 15mil pounds is a good gamble for a club like Barcelona.

A point about Ariel Ortega, he had problems when he played in Europe, part of the reasons were his fault and the others were not, but one thing is for sure, it had nothing to do with him "chasing women", i'm not sure how people come up with such comments. First at Valencia, he actually played well under Valdano but the coach was fired early into the season, he was replaced by Ranieri and the new coach wanted him to do things like running around pressing, when the opponent had the ball, to constantly work to recover possesion of the ball, all legitimate things but it was something Ortega at the time did not want to do, did not feel that type of play within him, he played freely under Valdano, and suddenly found himself with the opposite, on top of that Valencia's style changed to counter attack football with the result being Ortega having contact with the ball alot less and the quality of passes made to him were not good at all, , the result of all this was Ranieri's decision to put him on the bench for a long period of time, and since the coach did not want him on the team, obviously it ws time for him to move elsewhere, he went to Parma and Sampdoria, where he did not do well, again he did not adapt to the Serie A style of play, he continued playing his style, his way, and the fact that he was on teams again playing counter attack football, which meant he did not have alot of contact with the ball and when he did, the marking against him was very rough, so Ortega is partly to blame for his poor peformance in europe but there were also other factors outside of his control, he's an excellent player though and those that doubt him will see how good he is in the World Cup next year.

Pim · Aug 3, 2001

And why would Rivaldo's value drop. I remember Rui Costa, he's 31, but no, he isn't worth any money at all

Rivaldo will be worth a lot of money, even though he is getting old. A 32-year old Rivaldo can be $40m. BTW how old is Juan??

Pep · Sep 4, 2001

Still hunting for Riquelme?

well, at http://www.soccer-spain.com They're saying that we apparently have an option on Riquelme until October 15th. Since I have heard nothing about this, I could really use some confirmation from the spanish gang ( yes you GJ

)

Mario · Sep 4, 2001

That would be great. Gimme the direct link cause I can't find it from the main page.

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