Maldini: Over-rated Terry Isn't The Best

Deano · Jan 26, 2005

To be honest Faisal you have a love affair wih King. Ive seen the guy only a number of times this season and a couple of occasions, yes hes quality, but some times hes been quite bad also. Terry has been consistent, but Maldini is right, it is hard for Sven to take out either Sol or Rio who have been great for a player whos only made it big for his second season now.

As for King Faisal, I think Maldini would say the same about him, you cant overtake 2 great defenders if they are still playing great as Rio and Sol are. Hypothetically speaking, if Italy had some true great defender come through, I am damn sure he wouldnt get into the team just because Canna and Nesta have been there for ages.

Marc · Jan 26, 2005

Haroon said:
He's played the game for 20 years. If he doesn't know what he is talking about then who does?

FACT is that Terry has played one CL Semi and Chelsea conceded goals in those games. Terry needs more pressure games at the highest level to determine what he is made up of. You are a bitter little boy who takes everything as an insult to English players. He mentioned Sol and Rio as well or did you conveniently fail to read that part? The last sentence in the quoted post suits your own post perfectly ala Speedo!

I didn't say he didn't know what he was talking about, although clearly he doesn't know the English game as it is obvious he doesn't follow the EPL. He only refers to the world cup, well yeah of course Sol and Rio are gonna look better if Terry isn't around and just starting his career. His opinion does not match up with the facts though, now do they. Answer that. Basically the logic is that even if an English player emerged and scored 50 goals, destroying teams and making history... he should be left out for Owen since he has more experience. *claps* Ingenius.

He conceded goals because the system was one of the most f'd up you can see, they essentially lost in the first leg. If you want to blame him for that then there is no reason to have this conversation. How did Milan do btw? And Arsenal? And Man U? Good choice in example, obviously you thought that out. Erm, he plays at the highest level in the EPL and europe? Bitter about what exactly? Oh I wish I could be as blockheaded as you, then I could ignore facts and shout the names of English players as the best ever in spite of any logic. I refered to that part you moron, READ! Jesus. I didn't even mention foreign players, I compared him to the English equivalent. Or is my English bias biased against English players as well now. Such is your amazingly lame debating logic. Really, listen to what you just said. I took a comment about English players against English players as an insult to English players? What the hell are you on? So instead of actually disproving something, you ignore it to grab hold of an ad hominem. Can you really be this idiotic? You basically just admitted you were too incompetant to disprove someones comment, felt inferior, insecure and so lashed out with an insult. Am I supposed to be impressed. :thumbsup:

collectedsoul · Jan 26, 2005

khimik said:
Incorrect. Most of the goals we conceded have come when Sol was out injured and Cygan and Toure were the two central defenders. Both the 5-3 and 5-4 results came when Sol was out of the team.

That's true, but Campbell has been far from his usual dominating presence this season. And Terry has easily outperformed any defender in the EPL this season. He is HUGE for Chelsea.

SM Online · Jan 26, 2005

Terry isn't even Chelsea's best defender nevermind best in world

Phil Neville · Jan 26, 2005

Listen Chelsea's defensive record doesn't equal Terry's status in world football, I like Terry and infact I reckon he is one of the best in the EPL. But I see King having less weaknesses in his game though he is at a disadvantage with the likes of Paramot playing along side him.

Minotti · Jan 26, 2005

King was awesome in cm 00-01 or 01-02 I think

Faisal, what's uo with your obsession of wack-players? :tongue: the only player you've spoken "correct" about is Adriano

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j/k

Phil Neville · Jan 26, 2005

Maldini is the one thats speaking not me.

btw I advice you not to play CM as its a load of bs, See with your eyes.

Haroon · Jan 27, 2005

Marc said:
1. I didn't say he didn't know what he was talking about, although clearly he doesn't know the English game as it is obvious he doesn't follow the EPL.

2. He only refers to the world cup, well yeah of course Sol and Rio are gonna look better if Terry isn't around and just starting his career. His opinion does not match up with the facts though, now do they. Answer that. Basically the logic is that even if an English player emerged and scored 50 goals, destroying teams and making history... he should be left out for Owen since he has more experience. *claps* Ingenius.

1. Read the underlined part again. It's followed by a comma and although .

:nono: That's the second time you use your own words to bite you after using and I quote: Maldini just talked a load of toss...

2. Maldini's logic is fairly simple. He is simplly saying that it is unfair to judge a player when he hasn't even played in several situations. Mourinho called him the world's best defender. Maldini, when asked the question by the Italian press answered in a very fair manner that it is hard to call somebody the world's best defender when he hasn't even played in different situations. Is it hard to comprehend? I think not.

Upto this point:

-> Nobody knows how Terry will play in a big final.
-> Nobody can say how Terry will perform if the side is having an off-night.
-> Nobody can say whether Terry will have trouble if his usual central defence partner(s) Gallas/Carvalho are out due to injury suspension on a big night.

These are unanswered questions. So brotha ... do ya feel me knockin? Do ya?

He conceded goals because the system was one of the most f'd up you can see, they essentially lost in the first leg. If you want to blame him for that then there is no reason to have this conversation. How did Milan do btw? And Arsenal? And Man U? Good choice in example, obviously you thought that out. Erm, he plays at the highest level in the EPL and europe?

You're just scratching the surface there. Have you even looked into the depth of the situation? That was Chelsea's biggest game/tie in Europe. One has to see what happens if & when Chelsea are in a position to play a European Cup semi-final again. It would be a much better and clearer picture if Terry plays more games like those. Every big game brings different aspects/scenarios to it. In that game it was a messed up system according to you.

The next tie could be a smooth sailing one. The one after that could involve a 10 against 11 situation and a goal down or something like that.

You just can't make a call on a player's ENTIRE ability until and unless that player has been in multiple situations and proven that he can swim rather than sink.

... and yesss I did think it out. :devil:

Bitter about what exactly? Oh I wish I could be as blockheaded as you, then I could ignore facts and shout the names of English players as the best ever in spite of any logic. I refered to that part you moron, READ!

Did I just hit a nerve? :kiss: Since you did put so much attention into the "read" part, I noticed that you didn't spell referred properly. Now that's moronic.

Jesus. I didn't even mention foreign players, I compared him to the English equivalent. Or is my English bias biased against English players as well now. Such is your amazingly lame debating logic. Really, listen to what you just said.

1. I took a comment about English players against English players as an insult to English players?

2. What the hell are you on? So instead of actually disproving something, you ignore it to grab hold of an ad hominem.

3. Can you really be this idiotic?

The first paragraph is a delusional rant where your ineptness to consume knowledge is off the charts.

1. You first line of defence is Chelsea as you have a self-professed soft spot for them. After that it is England.

2. I think I clarified my stance on why I believe Maldini was spot on in this post to help you sleep tight at night.

3. Yes. :cap:

You basically just admitted you were too incompetant to disprove someones comment, felt inferior, insecure and so lashed out with an insult. Am I supposed to be impressed. :thumbsup:

-> Incompetent, not incompetant. :smileani:

I must give you 10/10 for finding me out. :eekani: Indeed, I do feel inferior and insecure and therefore had a go at you for no rhyme or reason.

However, there might be a teeny weeny possibility that the answer lies in the first paragraph of this post smarty pants. Reminds me of a great AC/DC song: "Caught with your pants down"

The Rage · Jan 27, 2005

Schumy said:
To say John terry is one of the best defenders in the world is quite laughable,I don't see what he's really done to deserve such high praise.

Gee, I don't know, maybe because he's the best defender in the best defense in the world.

The Rage · Jan 27, 2005

Faisal said:
Maldini is the one thats speaking not me.

Maldini never made ass hat comments about King being better than Terry.

Bandiera · Jan 27, 2005

The Rage said:
Gee, I don't know, maybe because he's the best defender in the best defense in the world.

And why is it the World's best defense?You carry on like Chelsea are the best team in the world in which they certainly aren't.Nico I've seen the guy play and to go on about him like he's the best is stretching a bit far I think.Terry need'd to build more of a reputation and prove with down the years he can maintain a high level of consistency.

Marc · Jan 27, 2005

Haroon said:
1. Read the underlined part again. It's followed by a comma and although . :nono: That's the second time you use your own words to bite you after using and I quote: Maldini just talked a load of toss...

2. Maldini's logic is fairly simple. He is simplly saying that it is unfair to judge a player when he hasn't even played in several situations. Mourinho called him the world's best defender. Maldini, when asked the question by the Italian press answered in a very fair manner that it is hard to call somebody the world's best defender when he hasn't even played in different situations. Is it hard to comprehend? I think not.

Upto this point:

-> Nobody knows how Terry will play in a big final.
-> Nobody can say how Terry will perform if the side is having an off-night.
-> Nobody can say whether Terry will have trouble if his usual central defence partner(s) Gallas/Carvalho are out due to injury suspension on a big night.

These are unanswered questions. So brotha ... do ya feel me knockin? Do ya?

1. I specifically refer to the English game however, just because he doesn't know toss about the English game does not mean he doesn't know his stuff about football. There is a difference. To say red nose doesn't know toss about argentinians isn't a stretch since he admits he never heard of Gabriel. That doesn't mean he doesn't know the game. There is a difference, you refered to the general, I refered to the specific. The 'although' is reiterating this.

2. He doesn't mention that at all, at no point does he say anything of the sort... only refering to the world cup. Well Terry has played at an arguably tougher level in the euro's and should have gone through to the semi's. Scored a penalty in the game btw. How much pressure was on him then? Where was Sol? Again, he only really refers to the world cup. Experience helps but it is not the be all and end all, as is obviously shown in the league, cup and europe. You/he basically overlooks this blatant fact. Obviously so since you are having to stick words in his mouth to redefine his argument since the one used is as I said a load of toss.

- We will see Febuary. We however have already seen him take a penalty in the most high-pressured situation you could get. It doesn't get bigger than that.
- What? Of course we have, last season and this season Terry has held the defence and got results. Chelsea had one or two poor games early this season but not conceding from the pressure enabled them to win.
- Only if you are a moron do you seriously consider this a serious question when he has paired up with Woodgate, Sol, Rio, Gallas, Ricardo, Marcel (who was rubbish last season), Huth and the few at under 21 international level. Fact is he was getting a string of clean sheets with Carvalho, he got injured. Then he got a string of clean sheets with Gallas.

I see you stretching.

You're just scratching the surface there. Have you even looked into the depth of the situation? That was Chelsea's biggest game/tie in Europe. One has to see what happens if & when Chelsea are in a position to play a European Cup semi-final again. It would be a much better and clearer picture if Terry plays more games like those. Every big game brings different aspects/scenarios to it. In that game it was a messed up system according to you.

The next tie could be a smooth sailing one. The one after that could involve a 10 against 11 situation and a goal down or something like that.

You just can't make a call on a player's ENTIRE ability until and unless that player has been in multiple situations and proven that he can swim rather than sink.

... and yesss I did think it out. :devil:

Right.... because Milan's group stage was a cluster of superteams. So basically, if Nesta was playing for Norwich he wouldn't be a great defender because the team isn't getting ton european finals? Thats your argument?

So results, cleansheets and defencive record doesn't come into it at all... only how many times you have had 10 v 11 with a goal down? Priceless. So basically your entire tactic is trying to find things JT may not have done and point to that as the holy grail of evidence. Nesta hasn't flown to the moon, he can't be very good in defence!

He has been in multiple situations, I have no clue what you are trying to come up with here. Yeah, JT has to be put in goal because all his goalkeepers are injured... only then will he be great. Uhuh, or... and this is crazy talk mind... we could actually look at his defencive record and achievement THIS season. Like I said, crazy talk but you never know.

Did I just hit a nerve? :kiss: Since you did put so much attention into the "read" part, I noticed that you didn't spell referred properly. Now that's moronic.

Why would the capacity of your brain by in my nervous system?

Typo's? That is what you have resorted too? Lol, you are a joke. Again you admit you can't actually deal with the argument so you latch onto something completely irrelevant. Oh no, I mistyped while writing as fast as I could doing several things at once... that shatters my argument completely. Whatever will I do?

The first paragraph is a delusional rant where your ineptness to consume knowledge is off the charts.

1. You first line of defence is Chelsea as you have a self-professed soft spot for them. After that it is England.

2. I think I clarified my stance on why I believe Maldini was spot on in this post to help you sleep tight at night.

3. Yes. :cap:

Again, you resort to an insult instead of actually dealing with the problem at hand. You just seem incapable of doing so. Any reason?

1. Not really, is more of a coincidence that they have/bought the players I like personally and support because I respect them. You didn't answer the question though. First you said I am completely biased with English players to explain an argument of mine as being against English players (wtf), now I am a chelsea fan who supports them more than England? How do you know this when I do not, have not shown it to be the case nor do you know anything about me personally?

2. No, you just made a seperate argument of your own making then presented it as Maldini's even though the article is right there to see.

3. Congrats. Uh oh, shorthand... better point that out too!

-> Incompetent, not incompetant. :smileani:

I must give you 10/10 for finding me out. :eekani: Indeed, I do feel inferior and insecure and therefore had a go at you for no rhyme or reason. However, there might be a teeny weeny possibility that the answer lies in the first paragraph of this post smarty pants. Reminds me of a great AC/DC song: "Caught with your pants down"

Typo's again, yay... still scratching the barrellll (<--- don't miss that). Run out of idea's?

You should hide your intentions better next time.

Glad you can admit to this though, its the first step to healing. Caught with my pants down? Think about the actual specifics of what you referrrr to. Is a doctor in psychology a crap doctor because he knows sod all about heart surgery? I said Maldini didn't know about the English game which is clear if you had eyes and just looked at the table or last nights result or europe. Does that mean he knows nothing about football as you accused me of saying? Nope, since I never said that. Obviously he will know a lot but clearly by virtue of making a silly statement (that is obviously false) he has little conception of the English game. But if your whole argument relies on that, have at it, declare victory and make a hole in a dictionary. :dielaugh: Meanwhile Terry will be leading a team with the best defence around this season. Does he get injured and fall off the map next season? Who knows, point is that today he is one of the best around and certainly doing better than Sol and Rio.

Phil Neville · Jan 27, 2005

Terry is top class theres no doubt about that in my mind, Infact I have nothing against the guy and I even hope he does well in the CL as I have him in my fantasy team.:shades:

I just don't belive he is the best CB in the EPL, Let alone the world.Though we all have our opinions(bias or not)

But for sure he has has a case for being part of the best defensive unit in club football right now.

Certainly the best in the EPL.

Deano · Jan 27, 2005

Terry yesterday in my mind was decisvely dodgy. Gallas made up many times for his mistakes. I know Terry is not usually like this but maybe he read the paper

vedz · Jan 27, 2005

Honest words by Maldini!

GioCurvaSud · Jan 27, 2005

I don't think there's nothing offensive in Paolo's words:

his logic is simple, Terry is performing quite well so far, and since a couple of seasons, but to be considered the best in the world you have to prove that on major stages and consistently through years.

the comparison with the supposed striker scoring 50 goals is not relevant, cause defenders and strikers aren't comparable.

The strikers can be changed frequently, dropped and then put into the game, while the defenders must gel and sinchronise the movements so the partnership must be consistent through the time..i say this just to point out that, if a young defender performs well, it's still much more difficult to make it into the regulars than a striker who's having a great moment of form

Haroon · Jan 27, 2005

This should be fun. :devil:

Marc said:
1. I specifically refer to the English game however, just because he doesn't know toss about the English game does not mean he doesn't know his stuff about football. There is a difference. To say red nose doesn't know toss about argentinians isn't a stretch since he admits he never heard of Gabriel. That doesn't mean he doesn't know the game. There is a difference, you refered to the general, I refered to the specific. The 'although' is reiterating this.

My bad in that case.

I'll tell you this that Maldini does know his football and he does get EPL games in Italia and he does know what is going on in football generally speaking. However, I stand corrected.

2. He doesn't mention that at all, at no point does he say anything of the sort... only refering to the world cup. Well Terry has played at an arguably tougher level in the euro's and should have gone through to the semi's. Scored a penalty in the game btw. How much pressure was on him then? Where was Sol? Again, he only really refers to the world cup. Experience helps but it is not the be all and end all, as is obviously shown in the league, cup and europe. You/he basically overlooks this blatant fact. Obviously so since you are having to stick words in his mouth to redefine his argument since the one used is as I said a load of toss.

Terry is a class defender. Not at any point have I or Maldini denied it. It is just that that class has to be proven in multiple situations for him to be the finished article.

Terry made a mistake last night on that Giggs goal and he admitted it. :thmbup: It doesn't make him a bad defender for that mistake.

You are way off base for not admitting that experience is the be all and end all of it. That statement is full of tripe. Experience makes you win things because you have been in that situation before. You have experienced those things before and it only makes you better prepared.

John Terry and Co. are visiting the Nou Camp in just under a month's time. You will understand what I am talking about then. Even Deco said prior to the second leg with Milan that Milan has the experience of winning these type of games. They know it. We don't.

You don't win Europe's top prize on pure skill alone. As the tournament progresses the skill takes a back seat and mental strength, focus and experience takes precedence.

- We will see Febuary. We however have already seen him take a penalty in the most high-pressured situation you could get. It doesn't get bigger than that.
- What? Of course we have, last season and this season Terry has held the defence and got results. Chelsea had one or two poor games early this season but not conceding from the pressure enabled them to win.
- Only if you are a moron do you seriously consider this a serious question when he has paired up with Woodgate, Sol, Rio, Gallas, Ricardo, Marcel (who was rubbish last season), Huth and the few at under 21 international level. Fact is he was getting a string of clean sheets with Carvalho, he got injured. Then he got a string of clean sheets with Gallas.

- You just lost the plot in your first sentence. The Carling Cup is N O T H I N G compared to the UCL. It is a strand of pubic hair. Mourinho has put so much stress on this competition so that his side gets the EXPERIENCE of playing in a final. It won't be the first or last one for Chelsea and everybody knows it. It does get bigger than that. I'm wasting my time over this but it's fun taking you to school.

- Once again ... the league is being brought in. UCL is bigger and tougher to win over any league. The pressure in that competition is ten times more than in the league. It is an unforgiving competition where one mistake is enough for elimination. ONE MISTAKE and its lights out. The amount of concentration and focus required in that competition is mammoth compared to the league.

- It is a whole different ball game when you play Europe's elite. At no point am I putting Terry down. It is just for your left brain to register that he needs to play in different situations to have a rounded career for analysis. Even he acknowledges that he is excited to reach his first final and hopes to build on from that.

I see you stretching.

Stop staring at my crotch or else this is your b-day present without KY lubricant. :devil:

Right.... because Milan's group stage was a cluster of superteams. So basically, if Nesta was playing for Norwich he wouldn't be a great defender because the team isn't getting ton european finals? Thats your argument?

Yesss. If Nesta is great he will be playing for a Great side in today's football environment. Clubs won't sit on their butts to see Nesta playing for Norwich hypothetically speaking. Bids will be made and questions will be asked and he would move to a bigger and better club and have the chance to showcase his skills. Point being, if you are good enough you will be noticed!

So results, cleansheets and defencive record doesn't come into it at all... only how many times you have had 10 v 11 with a goal down? Priceless. So basically your entire tactic is trying to find things JT may not have done and point to that as the holy grail of evidence. Nesta hasn't flown to the moon, he can't be very good in defence!

Clean sheets and defensive records obviously play a part. And that record should be looked at in Europe as well. 10 V 11 situations only bring out that X-Factor that a certain player possesses or not. It determines whether he has nerves of steel or not. Once again .. not one game. It is wrong to generalize over one game. That is how statistics is done. You collect data and then analyze. Terry's stats doesn't have enough data as yet for a complete analysis.

He has been in multiple situations, I have no clue what you are trying to come up with here.

You're not reading properly. Have a glass of water. Take 10 deep breaths and then read again. Terry has not been in multiple situations.

Yeah, JT has to be put in goal because all his goalkeepers are injured... only then will he be great. Uhuh, or... and this is crazy talk mind... we could actually look at his defencive record and achievement THIS season. Like I said, crazy talk but you never know.

Great is a loosely used word. For Terry to be great he will need to be on par with Baresi, Beckenbauer & Maldini. Nesta isn't there as yet by the way.

Why would the capacity of your brain by in my nervous system? Typo's? That is what you have resorted too? Lol, you are a joke.

What's typo's? "Typos" is the plural of "Typo". :cap: I can play this game all day long.

Again you admit you can't actually deal with the argument so you latch onto something completely irrelevant. Oh no, I mistyped while writing as fast as I could doing several things at once... that shatters my argument completely. Whatever will I do?

Use both hands to type instead of using one to massage yourself.

Again, you resort to an insult instead of actually dealing with the problem at hand. You just seem incapable of doing so. Any reason?

Are you a woman complaining about insults all the time.

It's tit for tat. Simple as that. The points where proper replies are needed get them and the garbage gets dealt with garbage. It's a dog eat dog world.

1. Not really, is more of a coincidence that they have/bought the players I like personally and support because I respect them. You didn't answer the question though. First you said I am completely biased with English players to explain an argument of mine as being against English players (wtf), now I am a chelsea fan who supports them more than England? How do you know this when I do not, have not shown it to be the case nor do you know anything about me personally?

I said you defend Chelsea players first and then the rest of English players. I should've put it more clearly perhaps.

2. No, you just made a seperate argument of your own making then presented it as Maldini's even though the article is right there to see.

Maldini said nothing wrong. If you are going to be picky in his wording then do it. He has very politely stated the obvious and the truth. Only a one-dimensional person would not accept Maldini's statement. It is true.

3. Congrats. Uh oh, shorthand... better point that out too!

:thmbup:

Typo's again, yay... still scratching the barrellll (<--- don't miss that). Run out of idea's?

You should hide your intentions better next time. Glad you can admit to this though, its the first step to healing. Caught with my pants down? Think about the actual specifics of what you referrrr to. Is a doctor in psychology a crap doctor because he knows sod all about heart surgery? I said Maldini didn't know about the English game which is clear if you had eyes and just looked at the table or last nights result or europe. Does that mean he knows nothing about football as you accused me of saying? Nope, since I never said that. Obviously he will know a lot but clearly by virtue of making a silly statement (that is obviously false) he has little conception of the English game. But if your whole argument relies on that, have at it, declare victory and make a hole in a dictionary. :dielaugh: Meanwhile Terry will be leading a team with the best defence around this season. Does he get injured and fall off the map next season? Who knows, point is that today he is one of the best around and certainly doing better than Sol and Rio.

Terry is certainly one of the best around this season. It is due to Mourinho's coaching that he has made Chelsea into a compact unit. He is the most prolific goal-scoring defender in the world. Very strong in the air. Superb composure.

However, I'd still like to see him in pressure cooker European encounters against the world's best to see how he deals with those situations when pressure point comes.

Diavolo · Jan 27, 2005

Maldini is no longer going to release interviews on Chelsea players

BTW, the interview was given while boarding a plane

The Sig · Jan 27, 2005

Diavolo said:
Maldini is no longer going to release interviews on Chelsea players

BTW, the interview was given while boarding a plane

JackoTheDon · Jan 27, 2005

John Terry - Captain of the world.

Also don't listen to Faisal >>>>>>>>> he's an idiot.

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