I just want to clarify that im not here to start an argument, especially not one regarding which league is better. I think in his prime there is no better player than Zidane, IMO he was Amazing, whats yours?
Twayka
Totti of course...hes not as raw talented at Ronaldinho(dunno who is)..but his vision of the game puts everyone else to shame..its beautiful...except when hes spitting on danish people.
Zidane is pretty good too...but i heard about that kid Jern was talking about...hes gonna be the greatest to live...one of the 'kings of football' ...watch out :glasses:
Zidane is pretty good too...but i heard about that kid Jern was talking about...hes gonna be the greatest to live...one of the 'kings of football' ...watch out :glasses:
Well, too totally difefrent players, and both great. Zidane, when he is well used, he is an awesome playmaker, and what makes him even greater than he really is, in terms of game impact, is his unveliebeable ball controll and grace, he is amazing, one of the most skill players EVER.
Ronaldinho is in the process of becoming a Maradona style of player, not a pure playmaker as Zidane, not an amazing wing as Garrincha, not a pure striker as Ronaldo, he is a WILD CARD, he is the kind of player that you just put in the field and wait, one day it would be a pass, another a goal, another everything, but he is a game winner, and uncapable of doing anything bad, but he lacks as a playmaker of the will to do the role in terms of what Zidane can, or the mentioned here Totti.
He will alwyas have as first choice HIS move, and relys in his enormous talent+(here comes the big issue) incredible speed of mind, and physical, he can do all that he planned with the ball at an incredible speed.
If the thing is to put a pass without watching the receiver: he can, if the thing is dribbling 5 guys, he can, BUT he can manage the rythim of a team...NO is not in his blood.... yet, he plays for fun, and for winning in his terms, if he makes a great carreer (many can dream only what he achieve by now anyway; and also Zidane already achieve a better one, becasue of his age, while Ronie still not in comparisson with the French in this aspect) the future olde Ronie would eventually be as Diego more of an estratega, more of a playmaker, is not unusuall that his idol is Diego, he just plays like the young Diego, if he wins in Barca or another club he can be in that level, his skills are amazing.
Anyway in comparisson with Diego and Zidane in terms of grace, he is a little more "clouncy" (I must wash my mouth for saying that but I do not found another suitable word) , but is not fair since Maradona was like made for the game: short, strong, quick, compact, and uncapable of not being grace even fat as an elephant, also the pasing abilty of Maradona and free kicks technich is unparalleld in the history of the game, but dudes if someone can watch videos of Diego, and try to imitate his technich and may be one day do it, well that is Ronie.
PD: How can Zidane be a guy of his size with such grace, is really incredible, I love the French, he returns the value of the ticket almost everytime.
Ronaldinho is in the process of becoming a Maradona style of player, not a pure playmaker as Zidane, not an amazing wing as Garrincha, not a pure striker as Ronaldo, he is a WILD CARD, he is the kind of player that you just put in the field and wait, one day it would be a pass, another a goal, another everything, but he is a game winner, and uncapable of doing anything bad, but he lacks as a playmaker of the will to do the role in terms of what Zidane can, or the mentioned here Totti.
He will alwyas have as first choice HIS move, and relys in his enormous talent+(here comes the big issue) incredible speed of mind, and physical, he can do all that he planned with the ball at an incredible speed.
If the thing is to put a pass without watching the receiver: he can, if the thing is dribbling 5 guys, he can, BUT he can manage the rythim of a team...NO is not in his blood.... yet, he plays for fun, and for winning in his terms, if he makes a great carreer (many can dream only what he achieve by now anyway; and also Zidane already achieve a better one, becasue of his age, while Ronie still not in comparisson with the French in this aspect) the future olde Ronie would eventually be as Diego more of an estratega, more of a playmaker, is not unusuall that his idol is Diego, he just plays like the young Diego, if he wins in Barca or another club he can be in that level, his skills are amazing.
Anyway in comparisson with Diego and Zidane in terms of grace, he is a little more "clouncy" (I must wash my mouth for saying that but I do not found another suitable word) , but is not fair since Maradona was like made for the game: short, strong, quick, compact, and uncapable of not being grace even fat as an elephant, also the pasing abilty of Maradona and free kicks technich is unparalleld in the history of the game, but dudes if someone can watch videos of Diego, and try to imitate his technich and may be one day do it, well that is Ronie.
PD: How can Zidane be a guy of his size with such grace, is really incredible, I love the French, he returns the value of the ticket almost everytime.
zidane in his prime is better than ronaldinho now. but when ronaldinho is ZZ's age, we can compare more. I think Ronaldinho has the tricks, but ZZ isnt a sloutch in that department either. at juve, he often dribbled a few players and made killer passes to the strikers as well.
definately ZZ now, but in 8 seasons time, Ronaldinho could be better.
However, i dont think zidane is the best ever. Maradona to me still stands out as the greatest.
definately ZZ now, but in 8 seasons time, Ronaldinho could be better.
However, i dont think zidane is the best ever. Maradona to me still stands out as the greatest.
This comparison is tough because Ronaldinho hasn't really reached his prime yet, he's still growing as a player. I personally feel that Ronaldinho can become even better than Zidane, but that's an entirely subjective opinion. :star:
Zidane at his peak was better than today's Ronaldinho Gaucho because Zizou could dictate the rythm of the game, with a more intellectual approach (in contrast, Ronaldinho's style is based on a mix of bursts of inspiration and exploitation of the opponent's weakenesses). With experience, Ronaldinho may yet acquire that sense of "controlling" the game, and then he will be a force of nature inside the pitch.
Zidane at his peak was better than today's Ronaldinho Gaucho because Zizou could dictate the rythm of the game, with a more intellectual approach (in contrast, Ronaldinho's style is based on a mix of bursts of inspiration and exploitation of the opponent's weakenesses). With experience, Ronaldinho may yet acquire that sense of "controlling" the game, and then he will be a force of nature inside the pitch.
Garrincha you have compress my divagations in a more suitable way, thanx, and a slightly difference in your opinion, when Ronie is on fire, well he doesn't need to exploit the rival's weakenesses, he just run over them. Is the kind of players that with the combination of awesome skills+incredible speed, don't need any weakness, he is capable of passing through the eye of a needle, we all have a tendency to see defenders "errors" while we don't realize many times how hard is too stop the skills of a Maradona, a Ronaldo, a Ronie, a Kempes in their second march.
Zidane. Not a doubt. Ronaldinho is an amazing player, it'd take a fool to say otherwise, but Zidane can control a game in a way Ronnie can't. I love to watch the Brasilians tricks and flicks, but Zidane is an all around better player, and isn't short on the fancy stuff himself.
Should Ronaldinho continue raising his game, improving like he has been, by the time he hits his peak he could just brush Zizou in his prime. However, for Ronnie to pass him is but a dream at this stage. We can do nothing but wait and see.
Should Ronaldinho continue raising his game, improving like he has been, by the time he hits his peak he could just brush Zizou in his prime. However, for Ronnie to pass him is but a dream at this stage. We can do nothing but wait and see.
to me it will be Zidane, although didnt mean to saygreater than maradona, but IMO after maradona its Zidane.
The fact that we compare a 24 years old lad who had his first great club season to a 31? year old player who reached his prime between 27-30 says so much about Ronaldinho's value
Whether many guys like it or not,afraid to say it or not("without a doubt"/"oh what kind of a question is that?Zizou!") RG will be better than Zidane and he already is near there
Also those who say Zidane "dictates" games etc(which i think RG does as good),there's something even more valuable and decisive
Scoring important goals and turning games around with an action.In that one RG is so much better than ZZ it's not even funny
Whether many guys like it or not,afraid to say it or not("without a doubt"/"oh what kind of a question is that?Zizou!") RG will be better than Zidane and he already is near there
Also those who say Zidane "dictates" games etc(which i think RG does as good),there's something even more valuable and decisive
Scoring important goals and turning games around with an action.In that one RG is so much better than ZZ it's not even funny
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Garrincha said:This comparison is tough because Ronaldinho hasn't really reached his prime yet, he's still growing as a player. I personally feel that Ronaldinho can become even better than Zidane, but that's an entirely subjective opinion. :star:
Zidane at his peak was better than today's Ronaldinho Gaucho because Zizou could dictate the rythm of the game, with a more intellectual approach (in contrast, Ronaldinho's style is based on a mix of bursts of inspiration and exploitation of the opponent's weakenesses). With experience, Ronaldinho may yet acquire that sense of "controlling" the game, and then he will be a force of nature inside the pitch.
great post. Perfectly put G.
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spAd! said:
Zidane plays much deeper and is the main playmaker for Madrid. Ronnie plays a more advanced role and could rely on Xavi to act as playmaker.
Ronaldinho or Zidane is pretty interesting but Zidane is definitely better because most of his attributes are unique to him only. Ronaldinho does the normal things better than most other players(He combines speed, force and a great deal of trickery but he does not have unique skills). Maybe its just that when Zidane comes good he seems to do extreme things. Even Pele agreed that since Zidane came to the fore he has really stayed there. Its a bit difficult for Ronaldinho because he may not be so fortunate with injuries or even form itself and team systems like what happened to Rivaldo when he joined Milan. If RG can adapt to any team then we will be able to match him to Zizou. As of now the signs are just there. I have to agree with the suggestion that RG cannot control matches the way Zidane does because his influence for Brazil is pretty much diluted at times ( but again thats probably because there is Kaka, Ronaldo or Juninho although France have Pires as well as Henry). Its Zidane at the moment.
I think some judgements may be blinded by the fact that RG played so well for Barca in the past season. I see the refference to important goals which I think is slightly skewed because of the past season. Again its very difficult to compare because Zidane has scored so many of those over a longer period which RG may or may not surpass. (world cup final, Champions League finals , qurterfinals and semi-finals, European championships "just ask England")
Well..Zidane is great. But if compare zidane and Rui Costa when both on peak form..Rui excels...
Ok let's make a more fair comparison between the two.
When Ronaldinho was 22 in year 2002 he won the World Cup with Brazil and delivered a stellar performance. When Zidane was 22 in year 1994 was he even close to the same level as Ronaldinho at the same age?
Now when Ronaldinho is 24 years old he has had a stellar season in Barcelona and is widely acknowledged as the current best player in the world. When Zidane was 24 years old in 1996 he played in the Euro Cup 1996 without leaving any greater impression.
I think there is little doubt that Ronaldinho will be a much better player than Zidane. The only thing Zidane is better at is at the tactical aspects of the game. He adapts better to the gameplan and is a better conductor. He is a better team-player. But Ronaldinho is far superior when it comes to dribbling, technique, speed, instant vision, assists (he makes pin-point passes with his back-heel, his back and every part of the body imaginable while at the same time looking in another direction, Zidane simply doesn't do that), scoring, shooting etc... Ronaldinho is far superior as an individualist. He was 21 when he started playing for PSG and he toyed with the defenders in a way that Zidane was never able to do in the french league.
Adapting to the gameplan and to conduct a team is something that you learn with experience and that is why Zidane at the age of 22-24 wasn't anywhere near the player he was when he was 28. Ronaldinho is already as good as Zidane in his prime cause his superior individual skills make up for the lack of experience and tactical knowledge that Zidane has.
When he has matured he will be a better player simply cause he is so much more talented in the individual aspects.
And fact is that Zidane has never had a season as good as Ronaldinho's season this year at club level. None of his seasons in real Madrid was as good as Ronaldinho's this year.
When Ronaldinho was 22 in year 2002 he won the World Cup with Brazil and delivered a stellar performance. When Zidane was 22 in year 1994 was he even close to the same level as Ronaldinho at the same age?
Now when Ronaldinho is 24 years old he has had a stellar season in Barcelona and is widely acknowledged as the current best player in the world. When Zidane was 24 years old in 1996 he played in the Euro Cup 1996 without leaving any greater impression.
I think there is little doubt that Ronaldinho will be a much better player than Zidane. The only thing Zidane is better at is at the tactical aspects of the game. He adapts better to the gameplan and is a better conductor. He is a better team-player. But Ronaldinho is far superior when it comes to dribbling, technique, speed, instant vision, assists (he makes pin-point passes with his back-heel, his back and every part of the body imaginable while at the same time looking in another direction, Zidane simply doesn't do that), scoring, shooting etc... Ronaldinho is far superior as an individualist. He was 21 when he started playing for PSG and he toyed with the defenders in a way that Zidane was never able to do in the french league.
Adapting to the gameplan and to conduct a team is something that you learn with experience and that is why Zidane at the age of 22-24 wasn't anywhere near the player he was when he was 28. Ronaldinho is already as good as Zidane in his prime cause his superior individual skills make up for the lack of experience and tactical knowledge that Zidane has.
When he has matured he will be a better player simply cause he is so much more talented in the individual aspects.
And fact is that Zidane has never had a season as good as Ronaldinho's season this year at club level. None of his seasons in real Madrid was as good as Ronaldinho's this year.
As someone said previously, two headers and a volley have made Zidane what he is today. Except for that he would have had been no more famed than Deco, Rui Costa or Nedved is.
LOL.husain_14 said:
Yes, two headers and a volley is all Zinedine Zidane is...
GET A CLUE, BUDDY! YOU'RE OUT TO LUNCH!
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