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#1 ·
World Cup Qualifier: Estonia - Romania

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Le Coq Arena, Tallin.

7 September, 21:00


Romanian squad:

Bogdan Ionuț Lobonț (AS Roma), Costel Fane Pantilimon (Manchester City FC) și Ciprian Anton Tătărușanu (FC Steaua București) – portari

Alexandru Mățel (FC Astra), Srgian Luchin (SC Dinamo 1948 SA), Nicolai Dorin Goian (Spezia Calcio), Marius Valerică Găman (FC Astra), Vlad Iulian Chiricheș (FC Steaua București), Dragoș Grigore (SC Dinamo 1948 SA), Răzvan Raț-Dincă (FC Shakhtar Donetsk) și Adrian Sălăgeanu (Sporting Club Vaslui) – fundași

Gabriel Andrei Torje (Granada CF), Adrian Popa (FC Steaua București), Alexandru Bourceanu (FC Steaua București), Costin Lazăr (PAOK Salonic), Doru Mihai Pintilii (FC Steaua București), Claudiu Voiculeț (CS Pandurii Târgu Jiu), Alexandru Maxim (CS Pandurii Târgu Jiu) și Cristian Tănase (FC Steaua București) – mijlocași

Raul Rusescu (FC Steaua București), Ciprian Andrei Marica (FC Schalke 04), Marius Constantin Niculae (Sporting Club Vaslui) și Gheorghe Teodor Grozav (FC Petrolul Ploiești) – atacanți




Romania and Estonia have faced each other twice in history, with one win for each side.
 
#2 ·
Being honest, I hope for this squad based on his horrible selection-

Pantilimon
Matel,Chiriches,Gaman,Rat
Torje,Maxim,Lazar,Tanase
Grozav,Marica

Subs to be used-
Popa
Voiculet
Niculae
 
#3 ·
Estonia might prove tough, having come off some impressive results as of late. But I hope Romania will take the wind out of their sails. Being of both Romanian and Hungarian background, this qualifying campaign will probably be the most interesting one I've seen in a long time. Mix in our common historical rivals Turkey and you've got one helluva group.
 
#4 · (Edited)
Romania will not win in Estonia!

Piturca said Tanase is titular as LM, and it's hard for Sanmartean to take him out.

Yeah, choose the idiot with a 20 IQ over a genius.

**** Piturca


Steaua with its last true playmaker (the one currently at Viitorul) was 1 minute away from the UEFA Cup final. With Tanase, it loses against an Israeli team 5-0. That's the difference a playmaker can make.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Sanmartean looks a closed chapter in the NT. I won't insist more in that.

But the new tragedy in the making is Nistor. I tend to think that Piturca dislikes him, but I wonder if people in GSP or Prosport know about him. I'm sure a good number of football journalists in those sites don't know who Dan Nistor is. For some reason I believe they only notice players when they sign for Steaua.


BTW, Adi Popa, 2 weeks at Steaua and he receives his first call-up. I guess it's casual.



It's not the case, but if I lived in Romania I'd dislike Steaua more than Real Madrid in Spain. I hate when the media suck the balls of this kind of teams, just because they are the most popular.
 
#7 ·
You are right. He probably wouldn´t have called him if he played for Chiajna. There must be some kinf of "arrangement" with Becali. If Matei or Tucudean were Steaua players they could have been called.

Regarding Nistor, we´ll see. He has called many Pandurii players in the past, now Voiculet too, so we´ll soon be certain if he has something against him. Certainly his level on the last league and this one recommends him.

What´s really worrying about us is that we don´t have players doing well abroad. We seem to have much more talent than a few years back, when having kids like Stanciu or Iancu performing at their age seemed impossible, but none of our players confirms abroad, they always miss something. That is why we still need Mutu, cause we can´t expect to get to a WC with local players
 
#6 ·
The papers are run by voiculescu and Becali is probably friends with him. The NT is corrupt, no other way to put it. The press is run by the same people that control the NT, so obviously they won't be in outrage over the selections. Tanase is utter crap!! When he plays well he does ok, but he's weak, stupid and he can't make plays or score so what is he good for?

I hope he starts Goian and he gets a red card, 1-0 Estonia final. I've never wished for our NT to lose before but now I'm fed up!

Btw GICA, kind of how Surdu got a call to the NT when he went to Steaua, even though he's the worst player to ever wear the Romanian Shirt. How did that guy even play for the u19, u21? I don't remember him..
 
#9 ·
Yeah, it could be a great team, but we have to wonder why none of our players get to a stronger league and make it inmediately. Best case scenario, they need a long while to adapt, and that is clearly because of the pace, intensity and level of the opponents on better leagues
 
#11 ·
The problem is the agents of the players. Look at the last transfers and tell me if it was a good move..

Marica-Schalke (Had Raul,Klass Jan and 2 other strikers)
Stancu-Galatasary(signed as a LM)
Torje-Udinese(Played out of position also)
Mutu-Cesena(Is that really the best he could find after breaking 100 Serie A goals?)
Goian-Spezia(Serie B, really? they offered you an out for free!!!!)
Radoi-Al Hilal(He had offers in England)

Good transfers now...

Radu-Lazio(he doesn't play for the NT)

Radu is the only guy who plays at a high level team consistantly and is a Key Player. He even is the co-captain but he's not good enough for our shitty NT...

What should have happened based on Rumors and offers with those players..

Marica-Roma(They were after him for so long, and still need a Totti replacement)
Torje-Arsenal(They made offers)
Mutu-Genoa(They offered contracts before Cesena)
Radoi-EPL(he had several offers)

These are the best Romanian players and they made bad decisions which I feel were influenced by agents. The agents always want the contract with the biggest cut, not the best interest of the client.
 
#12 ·
I´d choose Panti. i hope he does too, or else it´d be a nightmare on the air.

I´m not sure he´ll use Lazar or Grozav either. We could see Pintilii and Niculae.

The problem is the agents of the players. Look at the last transfers and tell me if it was a good move..

Marica-Schalke (Had Raul,Klass Jan and 2 other strikers)
Stancu-Galatasary(signed as a LM)
Torje-Udinese(Played out of position also)
Mutu-Cesena(Is that really the best he could find after breaking 100 Serie A goals?)
Goian-Spezia(Serie B, really? they offered you an out for free!!!!)
Radoi-Al Hilal(He had offers in England)

Good transfers now...

Radu-Lazio(he doesn't play for the NT)

Radu is the only guy who plays at a high level team consistantly and is a Key Player. He even is the co-captain but he's not good enough for our shitty NT...

What should have happened based on Rumors and offers with those players..

Marica-Roma(They were after him for so long, and still need a Totti replacement)
Torje-Arsenal(They made offers)
Mutu-Genoa(They offered contracts before Cesena)
Radoi-EPL(he had several offers)

These are the best Romanian players and they made bad decisions which I feel were influenced by agents. The agents always want the contract with the biggest cut, not the best interest of the client.
Marica needs to go to a small club where he doesn´t have much competition. But he cares too much for his wage.

Stancu was used out of position, but maybe Galatasaray was too much for him. Future will tell.

If Torje doesn´t start for Granada, you think he´d start for Arsenal? He´s better of in a team where he can earn his place, little by little. I´m sure he´ll make it

I agree about Mutu
 
#17 ·
If we play 2 DM's which I bet we will, he should be shot!
 
#19 ·
The Democratic Republic of the Congo is better organized than this shit. This is theater, not football.

-------------Surdu------D. Niculae

Tanase-----Florescu-----Bourceanu-----Cocis

Lato--------Grigore-------Gaman------Luchin

----------------My 3rd Testicle

This is currently the best team we can field under our new coach, Cercelush Pizdurca.
 
#21 ·
Piti's all time team of favorites:

--------Surdu(6)-----------
Tanase(22)------------Nicolita(43)
-Florescu(11)-O.Petre(23)-Cocis(48)
Lato(5)-Grigore(2)-Goian(45)-Dananae(4)
-----------Lobont(80)-------


Now our shittiest players caps:

Mutu:73 caps
Sanmartean:7 caps
Hagi:124

Basically, if you combine Lobont and Cocis you get Hagi..
Lobont is more important to Romania than Mutu...
Surdu,Cocis,Florescu,O.Petre,Nicolita combine for 131caps in the last 5 years. This means that our midfield has had more than one of these junkies in almost all of our matches in the past 5 years.

Now if anyone asks why we are shit, say that Cocis is working towards his 50th cap.
 
#25 ·
True but which article exactly?

I've just been getting football-hungry with the WCQs coming up, couldn't help but stop by.

If we don't win I will definitely say:

1. Muresan / Sanmartean. Where? Why not?

Sanmartean despite his Nicolitesque possession losing against Inter can create opportunities from nothing. You could pause a match a second before that happening (e.g. Mutu's goal vs. Belarus, about 10 occasions vs. Bosnia) with him in possession, then replace him with say, Tanase or Razvan "+/- 50 cap" Cockcheese :star: then play and nothing at all would have happened. It's like he makes it look so easy people would think anyone could have done that. But they can't. He's creative and pratical.

Muresan too is practical, makes things happen, when he has the ball you get a fuzzy feeling like something will happen, like a true great player. The opposite feeling to when Chipciu or Surdu get the ball for example. Evidence? Dissallowed goal vs. Bosnia, bar vs. Brazil, dribble from centre midfield vs. France (2-2), recent assist to Sougou vs. Basel about as soon as he got subbed on. To me it's baffling that Muresan isn't playing in the Premier League and isn't an absolute no brainer for the national team.

In fact I was thinking about what team we could have sent to the Olympics (pointless but I've just got off the boat so...) and this is what I chose.

1. Insert Over-aged goalkeeper here (Lob/Panty/Tata) *
2. Rapa
3. Rat (c) *
4. Papp
5. Gaman
6. Chiriches
7. Grozav
8. Muresan *
9. Sburlea
10. Stanciu
11. Torje
12. Lung Jr.
13. Neagu
14. Nica
15. Alexe
16. Maxim
17. Tucudean
18. Bumba

He is like a truly inspirational player. I would have been extremely confident in this hypothetical team. Anyway

2. We waited too long to realise we're ****ed and we actually need to score. It will be minute 70 and we'd either be losing 1-0 or it would be 0-0 and everyone starts thinking it's time to do something. If I were the manager I would sit the team down and make them close their eyes and imagine its minute 88 and it's 0-0 and Estonia are defending well with 10 in the box and we can't get through. And now imagine we could turn back time and you could try again and give it 100% from minute 1, visualise the goals, aim to score. That's where we are now. It's so simple but we are so lazy sometimes and forget the point of football. Ball --> goal.

3. We are eternally shit at defending set pieces. I can see it already. Estonia freekick from about 50 metres out far left. Ball comes in and touches nobody and passes the keeper (probably Lobont). 1-0.

4. Pintilii? Why?

Anyway,

If we do win I will definitely say:

1. Rusescu, what a goal :star:

2. We definitely can't rely on this selection to 'work' against Holland and Turkey next month.

and possibly

3. Grozav should start next time based on how well he played after coming on as a sub.

Either way I am fully excited and hope Friday at exactly 19:00 BST (the last moment before kickoff, any later is a risk [e.g. Uruguay, Slovenia]) won't be the happiest I'll be this qualification campaign!
 
#24 · (Edited)
Luchin s-a accidentat în ultima partidă de campionat, la Astra - Dinamo (1-0), nu e încă recuperat complet, chiar dacă a participat normal la antrenamentul de ieri dimineaţă. Piţi nu vrea însă să-l forţeze, urmînd să-l folosească în a doua partidă, contra Andorrei, pe 11 septembrie.
How in the hell are we gonna use Luchin as RB against Andorra? :palm:

He calls 2 RBs, Luchin and Matel. The Dinamo player is a defensive RB and stronger physically, while Matel is an offensive RB more skillful with the ball. In theory, and from my conception of football, Matel is more indicated for the game against Andorra where we have to attack since minute 1 and Luchin is probably useful against a more dangerous and physical rival like Estonia. If Luchin is injured against Estonia, then put Matel there or Chiriches or whoever you want, but against Andorra play with Matel man!
I don't know if it's true (it's quoted from GSP) but if Piturca is really thinking about playing with Luchin against Andorra...I have no words to describe it.


A doua mişcare-şoc pe care Piţurcă o prepară vine de la mijlocul terenului. Lîngă Bourceanu, selecţionerul îl va plasa pe Pintilii, preferînd să mizeze exact pe cuplul de închizători din Ghencea.
That means Lazar to the bench.


GSP predicts this team: Lobonţ - Măţel, Goian, Chiricheş, Raţ - Pintilii, Bourceanu - Torje, Rusescu, Tănase - Marica
 
#26 ·
Hi there, pal!

Sorry that there isn´t much to get hope from. We are starting a campaign with the same hope( 0,011111) as 4 years ago, and the same coach. We aren´t in the best situation, but, as usual, we shoot ourselves in the nuts so badly that it´s hopeless.
It´s not enough that we have a leader in the league that has one of the smallest budgets and still plays the best football to show our coach and federation the way. We are gonna field a horrible team even within our possibilities, even within the possibilities of the current squad. Go to hell, Piturca!!:ass:
 
#28 ·
Reprezentativa României a coborît şase locuri în clasamentul FIFA-Coca Cola pe luna august. Cu 542 de puncte, ”tricolorii” se găsesc acum pe a 57-a poziţie în lume.

Adversarele României în grupa D a preliminariilor CM 2014 ocupă următoarele trepte: Olanda - locul 8 (1.044 de puncte), Turcia - locul 35 (678 de puncte), Ungaria - locul 37 (663 de puncte), Estonia - locul 55 (572 de puncte), Andorra - locul 199 (15 puncte).


--GSP
 
#29 · (Edited)
Even if the "FIFA-Coca Cola ranking" (the name itself is ridiculous) doesn't have any value...when you are behind Estonia (although I acknowledge their great results lately) something's going wrong...of course everybody with a brain knows that without having to look at some ranking.

i ask myself: isn't there even 1!!! journalist who thinks the same as us and can create some attention for the real problems in our football?!

edit: that guy from http://scoutingromania.com/ should write for newspapers but i guess he speaks too much truth.
 
#30 ·
Why is he going with 2 DM's still?? Has he not realized that IT DOESN'T WORK!!!

The DM's he uses are not even better than Codrea in his prime. At least Codrea recovered the ball 90% of the time. These guys have a weaker recovery rate, poor creativity and passing ability. Bourceanu is a crap player, Pintilli isn't any better.. If it was Muresan and Lazar it would work because they aren't below average in every aspect.

How are we going to create chances with Tananse,Pintilli,Bourceanu and Torje in the midfield? It's bullshit! He's a total dumbass catering to whoever pays him on the side and nobody says a thing about it or raises any concern!

Bourceanu is some little bald pain in the ass that will run his ass off and foul anybody who crosses his path.. he's not a footballer, he's an act in the circus that didn't make it!
 
#32 ·
Muresan is sometimes too rough but one of the very few defensive midfielders in Romania who can defend very well and become dangerous upfront. He's a much bigger threat in attack than Pintilii or Bourceanu and his shots from distance could be useful vs teams such as Estonia or Andorra. Sanmartean would've been very useful as well since we're forced to attack and his passes are the most precise in Romania. Tanase can't be compared to him sub nicio forma!
 
#33 ·
No press will write about it because all of the newspapers are owned by Voiculescu and he's the one who controls Ponta and the corrupt communists in the country. Voiculescu wouldn't slander the FA or Piti because he's probably making money out of this NT. Most of the TV stations we watch the NT on are Voiculescu's.
 
#34 ·
If he wants to use 2 DMs he should choose 2 out of these 3: Lazar, Muresan, Nistor

These are 3 central midfielders who have to be in the squad without a question...which means no place for Bourceanu (how he has already 8 caps is beyond me, his only plus is that he's a fighter...so what!? that can't be a reason to get called if you have nothing else to offer), Pintilii :howler: or Florescu

...and i ask again mr piti: you call Cocis and Florescu, also known as Laurel & Hardy, for months, in every friendly you use them although everybody knows what they can do and what they can't...and then out of the blue you just drop them when we face the first, really important game because you spontaneously decided that you don't like them anymore (well, in this month, because next month you will change your opinion and call them again right?! ;) ) ...ever heard of the words "consistency" and "a long term plan" (not the least important thing, especially for a NT coach!!!)

why isn't the press attacking him like crazy?! rom football is like the whole world, led by greedy idiots who don't want to think about tomorrow and who just don't care about anything but money....and then they have the nerve to say it's the best they can do because these are the "circumstances" and they can't be changed...please give me a break

edit: Piti, watch Romania - France 2:2, i think you were the coach back then, it will show you 2 things:
1. you are a horrible coach in every aspect
2. the only reason we could somehow get a draw (after leading 2:0 :rolleyes: ) was Muresan, he alone stopped like one hundred attacks from the French who were constantly attacking

how can you forget such things? when on the other side you call Bourceanu, Cocis or Florescu where nobody can remember anything good they did in their NT-careers...
 
#36 ·
Bourceanu and Pintilii aren't bad... it's just that Muresan is more decisive. I like about Bourceanu that he covers alot of room, attempts vertical passes and knows how to play with both feet. A player like him allows wingers to attack more freely since he has a good understanding of guarding their backs. Muresan on the other side is better when the pressure is on Romania.
 
#38 ·
How somebody can protect a player as limited as Bourceanu is, is also beyond me. players like Bourceanu can't be our aspiration...i don't see any value in the games he played for us. when i see him play for Steaua it hurts, he needs 1 minute to stop the ball and make a ridiculously easy horizontal pass to a teammate (i don't see these vertical passes you talk about, an attempt is an attempt, nothing more). if he should reach 100 caps (never...although :scared: ) he will have 1 assist and in modern football every player has to be involved in offense. oh, and another thing, it's pretty easy to get past him because he's small and slow. his only plus is his fighting spirit, running after every ball.

Chances for WC 2014 under the current circumstances are almost non existant...BUT even if we should make it i wouldn't want to see our team there with Piti as our coach because it would be like 2008, disgraceful...therefore it's better sooner than later to lose some games, a 2-3:0 loss against Estonia for example would probably lead to Piti's departure...still high chances that it doesn't get better after him but it can't get worse :)
 
#40 ·
It wasn't worse with Razvan, just as bad. in fact, in his last official (non friendly) game he realised and changed a few things we were saying for months (from the beginning). his ideas went finally into the right direction in the home game against Bosnia. we dominated them completely and had more chances than in all the games before combined. So they keep him for months and in the one game where he does a lot of things right they fire him :D rom football logic at it's best.
he probably won't get a 2nd chance (and no, i don't want him back ;) ).

IF it can get worse i'm quite afraid of that scenario because FRF showed us they can always "surpass" themselves. they are always aiming for the highest...