another excellent list

however, i do not regard Stoichkov to be better than the likes of Hagi, Shevchenko, Savicevic etc.

good to see obscure but great names of EE football such as Vukas, Sekularac, Lato, Hidegkuti etc.

totally agree with the top 3

 

good to see obscure but great names of EE football such as Vukas, Sekularac, Lato, Hidegkuti etc.

Well, they are obscure only if you didn't have a chance to see them play...

I feel that Oleksandr Zavarov should also make this list, amazing player.

 

In pure ability, You maybe right but Stoichkov's successful and consistency win the three by far.

 

In pure ability, You maybe right but Stoichkov's successful and consistency win teh three by far.

Stoichkov was more successful than Hagi probably... but more successful than Savicevic and Shevchenko?

 

only 1 Bosnian player?

 

That's one more than you. :righton:

 

12 out of 50 roud:

but hold on, why isn't Ferenc Szusza on the list? or did he just become #51?

(I could have said I met 3 of them but so it is only 2 )

 

Stoichkov is better than Sehvchenko and Savicsevic in international level. Shevchenko failed after his 30 year olds whiel Stoichkov was still greater than Shevchenko in his late career. Savicsevic is not great enough in longevity which is essential for raising of legend status.

Szusza can be in top 50 around 48 -50th but I think I should name other nations if they seems equal !

 

i agree that Stoichkov had the better international career then Savicevic... but Savicevic did have longevity if you consider that he was an instrumental player with Red Star from the late 80's thru to his Milan days to 1998... so the better part of a decade where he won a couple Yugo championships & cups, 3 scudettos (i think), 2 Champions Cups with different teams, World Club Cup, European Super Cup etc.

its not a question of him doing well for only a few seasons

 

not much video of Vukas and Seki... and i have looked

 

I know.

 

My only objection is that Sheva should be higher, other then that, a great list

 

Zavarov is not closed to be top 50. There are many Soviet playmaker better than him such as Kipiani, Mutyan, etc.

 

What about Igor Belanov? Surely you just forgot him...? Not too many EE guys have been Euro Footballer of the Year in the modern era and that fact alone should get him a spot among the top 50...

 

Hatzipanagis ? What in his career did he do to put him on this list ? He set his career back by moving to Greece.

 

I think Stoichkov played at a high level for a longer period than Savicevic.

Savicevic amassed less than 100 caps for AC Milan.

 

oops, that's what I get for trusting wikipedia. Now it says he had 144 league appearances for them.

 

Belanov's career is nothing except the 1986 that he won Cup's winners'cup and having so great performance in WC 1986. You can see he never won top 3 soviet player of the year except 1986 (second place).

In pure ability, Hatzipanagis is belonged to this list but he was unlucky not be allowed to play for Greece. To be honest, I name him to give honor for Greece nation.

 

Belanov's career is nothing except the 1986 that he won Cup's winners'cup and having so great performance in WC 1986. You can see he never won top 3 soviet player of the year except 1986 (second place).

Fair enough, I guess I look at things differently. There is not many on that list who had one season as good as Belanov's 1985-86 one (although he was more than a one season wonder)...

 

Where is Vidic ?

 

In a state of depression after the shock result against Estonia

 

actually, he is back in Manchester already after picking up another avoidable yellow card and being suspended

 

A lot of us are quick to judge and criticise these guys but why is it that the same things seem to happen over and over again but in different sports and with different individuals?

Let's take Vidić as an example, he's far from your everyday Balkan player - he's committed, plays hard and gets the most out of himself. No one can tell me that he's unprofessional or that he hasn't got his head screwed on the right way. Yet, he's made a huge error of judgment if he thinks it's OK to go to Manchester instead of Genoa to support his team. Why would he do that?

The only explanation can be that the guy has had enough of the bullshit going on around him. People often say (and this goes for other sports too) that when these guys leave the domestic league they quickly stop caring about the NT (in basketball they simply refuse to play for the NT) but realistically what happens is that they go to environments like the EPL where everything is run at such a high level and where players don't usually have to worry about being booed by their own supporters, answering questions about corruption or discussing promised WC money.

No matter your patriotism or your love of the NT if you have idiots all around you making everything harder for you and guys looking to exploit you at every turn you'd have to be made of stone for that not to affect you. While you're still a youngster this doesn't affect you as much because I think you're not at the centre of it all. However, when you move abroad and become a name player you become the focus and obviously you cop most of the pressures. This is where the problems start.

Antić is being butchered by some in the media but the fact is he got the team to the WC with relative ease and basically no player troubles. Some of his biggest critics today say he ran everything with an iron fist and that he was constantly telling people how to do their jobs. Maybe he was a prick, but he has experience like no other Balkan coach and he knows what it takes to build the right atmosphere in the team and just as importantly, around the team. It's no coincidence that in the first game without him the same demons from previous campaigns popped up again.

I don't want to make excuses for these highly paid pros but I really think they're not the problem. It's stating the bleeding obvious, I know, but the corrupted and incapable administrators are at fault for even more than we think.

 

I don't think Vidić cares too much for the Serb NT, he didn't even know he was a yellow away from a suspension I heard...must be hard to support an NT who care so little.

Is that true alchemist?

 

i don't think it is a question of them not caring but all the other bullsh*t that they bring to the table

for example, leading into France '98 Savicevic was given a clean bill of health by the FRY medical staff... Dejo of course disagreed and only trained by conducting warm up drills with the keepers... he went on to make 2 sub appearances in the 3rd game against the US and the R16 game against Holland

if he was genuinely injured, he should have pulled out... if he wasn't genuinely injured, then WTF?

i'm not trying to disparage Vidic as he is the only top class player Serbia has... but whoever made the decision to let him leave camp is wrong

the one thing the Serb football team ALWAYS gets wrong is that they don't view it as a collective effort --> in fighting, undermining the coach, refusing to play in the positions they are selected in, unprofessional behaviour, senior players having too much say etc.

 

:howler: @ the timing for the gay parade in Belgrade - straight after one of the most shocking home losses in qualifiers for Serbia with the huligans just looking for a reason to smash someone, anyone - and then the gays decide to come out of the woodwork :wallbang:

Dont know whether to laugh or cry really :howler:

 

Last Sat I was passing through Belgrade, wearing purple jogging suit with a yellow-green brazilian jersey I bought in a hurry in Istanbul close to Serkici train station, because all my clothes got wet after all-day long rains.

I looked like a gay´s queen, and noone gave a **** about me :thumbsup:

 

was always going to happen, regardless of the sport

 

I was giving them an alibi

 

Without Vidic every match would be Argentina Seronja. The man has heart, but is just not a typical Balkan ****** who only talks, in fact he doesn't talk, he just works.

As for the gay parade, that was Europe's test. ***** Europe is all I have to say. :yuck:

 

Losing 3:1 to Estonia in a qual. at home is more embarrasing than losing 6:0 to Argentina at a WC in my book, so you might be able to do without Vidić after all

 

lol, yeah, whatever. You guys keep celebrating man, stay classy.

 

Vidic wasn't responsible for any of the goals conceded