blood in the water.

 

Dear Cules,

This is The Sun King of XT speaking...
I have a question for you guys: Who do you Cules consider a better player, Rivaldo “in his prime” (BARCELONA LEGEND) or R. Gaucho (THE NEW FRANCHISE PLAYER)???

MARADONA ADMIRES BOTH: I remember Maradona saying once that RIVALDO was the best LEFTY he had seen since his retirement or something very similar to this...(Maradona is a big fan of Rivaldo).

However on a recent interview, Maradona has said that R. Gaucho is the best player around...

Rivaldo of 99 was class and yes he is one of the all-time greats! but R. Gaucho has so much potential! And IMO he will be the best AM since MARADONA!

If you had to choose between these two number #10s who would you guys pick?

I cannot make up my mind to be honest with you!
So please HELP!

AMAZING!!!

and

OOOPPPSSS Sorry wrong RONALDO...

PS. How many league goals did R. Gaucho last season?

Let us get back to you in a couple of years, ok? :googly:

 

By now, Rivaldo, but Ronaldinho is the good way.

I think Ronaldinho is easier to love, his attitude shows more commitment, he's more spectacular (and Rivaldo was very spectacular),... On the other hand, Rivaldo's efficiency was incredible. I've never seen an attacking midfielder scoring so many goals as Rivaldo. Kluivert saved his head for years thanx to Rivaldo's goals.

Ronaldinho has everything to be the best player on Earth (if he is not already), even in Barcelona increased his goal record, he scored 21 goals in all 3 competitions with Barça. The top scorer of the team in La Liga and in all 3 competitions together.

... and you know what, the most strange thing is that none of them was a 10 in Barça, actually both have been false left wings with freedom.

In any case, as zyad say, Ronaldinho still has a lot to do to be bigger than Rivaldo.

 

FC Barcelona gets all the big R's from Brazil and they have all become stars in the Camp Nou.

- Romario
- Ronaldo
- Rivaldo
- Ronaldinho

And maybe in the future Robinho??

 

Robinho,together with Ronaldinho,as a superstar,it would be great!

 

Between Rivaldo and Ronaldinho, I prefer the Gaucho. Yeah, I know, in his prime Rivo was superb, I just appreciate RG's style more.

 

Rivaldo, hands down! Ronaldinho had a great season and all, but Rivaldo was a better scorer and on his day it seemed he had a pact with the devil! Also his freekicks were bloody brilliant and his shot was one of the best I have seen in recents years, power and precision.

To top it off he had an amazing character, too bad to see a bunch of ignorants here at XT be against him for that game against Turkey. And while he did not have an amazing charisma he always gave 100% inside the pitch, he played many times for Barça with cortisone shots.

 

To top it off he had an amazing character, too bad to see a bunch of ignorants ( ) here at XT be against him for that game against Turkey. And while he did not have an amazing charisma he always gave 100% inside the pitch, he played many times for Barça with cortisone shots.

Can't be said any better!!! :thmbup: Rivaldo fans, UNITE!!!

No way to watch Greek league. :depress:

 

Thank you for your input guys....

Any more comments?

 

ya BRING robinho

 

Both are awesome players in different moments of their carreers. Rivo is in the fall and Ronnie in the spring.

I would like to make some comments: For example, that during Ronnie first times in the brazilian national team, Rivo always protect Ronnie. But curiously I don't see in any team, any player protecting Rivaldo. Ronnie has learn to protect young talents and team mates... Maybe from Rivo.

Rivo temper is more shy, is common to see him walking with the head down... While Dinho is always happy and very confident, always smiling.. that's why he is easy to appreciate.

Dinho is from the south of Brazil and Rivo from the north, maybe, just maybe (and please if some brazilian could help us with the differences between the normal brazilian from the north and from the south it could helps us a little more to understand Dinho and Rivo).

While Rivo was always hated or loved by many... ( I don't know anyone who knows a little about soccer and doesn't care about Rivo... or they love him or they hate him)... While most of the people like Ronaldinho.

Rivo sometimes could be sad, melancholic, angry, and has a loneliness air in his eyes. While Dinho (dos he has a girlfriend?) never seems to be alone, or feeling lonely at least. Dinho is more confident about himself as a person than Rivaldo. But they both were pretty sure about his qualities.

Rivo's bodie: he was tall, but the way he walks, runs and hits the ball is different.. Look the shape of his legs and who he stands up. Probably he had nutritional problems when he was a kid... its a unique way to hit the ball, I have understood that that way to hit the ball, make his knees to hurt so badly. He always showed his love for Barsa, no matter what the fans have showed to him... He never hide in the hard moments, even risking his health he played. Fortunately, Ronaldinho has never had to deal with bad treatments of the fans, as Rivo or Kluivert, more recently had...

I would like to see both together in Barsa... as they were in Brazil, during WC 2002. Rivaldo scored so many goals in Barsa! maybe Saviola staying all his career could get more... I don't know who else?

About Ronnie is interesting to see how he is always trying to improve himself... I don't say anything else about Ronaldinho, because I would be repetitive... every knows how incredible he is.

My final answer is BOTH.

 

By now, Rivaldo, but Ronaldinho is the good way.

I think Ronaldinho is easier to love, his attitude shows more commitment, he's more spectacular (and Rivaldo was very spectacular),... On the other hand, Rivaldo's efficiency was incredible. I've never seen an attacking midfielder scoring so many goals as Rivaldo. Kluivert saved his head for years thanx to Rivaldo's goals.

Ronaldinho has everything to be the best player on Earth (if he is not already), even in Barcelona increased his goal record, he scored 21 goals in all 3 competitions with Barça. The top scorer of the team in La Liga and in all 3 competitions together.

... and you know what, the most strange thing is that none of them was a 10 in Barça, actually both have been false left wings with freedom.

In any case, as zyad say, Ronaldinho still has a lot to do to be bigger than Rivaldo.

Agreed. Good answer. But the best 'R' we've ever had was Romário. No competion.

 

Rivaldoooooooooooooooooo

 

Agreed. Good answer. But the best 'R' we've ever had was Romário. No competion.

I wasn't old enough to see much of Romario in action with barca.... But I was old enough to see Ronaldo and frankly it's hard to imagine anyone doing better than he did in his short term at barca....

I guess my point is do you have any clips to prove your statement?

 

rivaldo as he was here for 5 years but ronnie has the potential to overtake him!

3 overhead kicks
120 goals
100 league goals in 178 appearences!
goals against mierda
the skill (not as good as ronnie)
better free kicks
powerful shot

however never say never... i can be persuaded to change my opinion depending on what happens this coming season

 

In terms of what each player has done for Barcelona it's hard to assess who is better.

Rivaldo - People question his lack of commitment to the club, but it was really the return of Van Gaal that practically forced Rivaldo out. Yet from his debut back in 1997 when he signed for us from Deportivo La Coruña, he was phenomenal. He was a player who could change the complexion of a match and no time was this more evident than the Champions League match against Manchester United in the 1998-99 season..although we drew 3-3 it was Rivaldo alone who ensured that we even got a point at the Camp Nou that evening. He could dribble the ball, make that Guardiola-like pass straight on the grass through an eye of a needle and take free-kicks with authority (although less than Koeman). But to have all those qualities, he was a legend the same way we view players like Stoichkov, Koeman, Cruyff and Laudrup. Of course there are other legends but I won't go through them all. Rivaldo was with Barcelona from 1997 until 2002 (an amazing five seasons) in which he won La Liga twice in 97-98 and 98-99, the Copa del Rey in 97-98, and the Supercopa in 97-98. He's done much for the club.

Ronaldo, Romario and Ronaldinho
Putting them in the same grouping is for one reason alone..because they've each only played a season (or a little over a season in the case of Romario) for Barça. So it's hard to judge for instance what Ronaldinho will do (hopefully he'll do a lot).
Ronaldo was phenomenal when he was with us. What a waste to have gone to Inter and floundered there with injuries when he could have done remarkable things at Barça. Did he think he was going to be another Maradona? Of course if he had stayed, we would have never seen Rivaldo in a blaugrana camiseta. Romario was a pure goal scoring machine..an arrogant little f**k who could score.. the way he used to piss off Stoichkov with his baby tantrums was funny to watch even as a Barça fan. But when he felt like it, Romario would score and make it look easy. But Rio beach life was what he wanted and with his departure ended the golden Cruyff Dream Team era.

Ronaldinho is a different story. Neither has the "I want a new club now!" traits of Ronaldo or the "f**k I need to get laid at Carnival" attitude of Romario. Ronaldinho has the qualities of a person to make him successful because no one individual is bigger than El Barça. But what magic he can conjure up with a flick of a heel or the slightest of feints. Yet currently, he has no silverware to show for... but fear not, they will inevitably come. Ronaldo ditched us because he only got a Cup Winners' Cup medal (known in Spain as Recopa) that year... had he stayed, it could have been more. This is where Ronaldinho shines because he has vision as to the potential El Barça have in recapturing past glories. In my opinion, Ronaldinho can become even greater than Rivaldo.

PS. Adding Robinho would be simply amazing. The way he can do pedaladas (the stepovers) in succession and leave defenders in his wake, sprawling on the ground trying to untangle their legs would be a sight to see.... a man can dream can he not?

 

I wasn't old enough to see much of Romario in action with barca.... But I was old enough to see Ronaldo and frankly it's hard to imagine anyone doing better than he did in his short term at barca....

I guess my point is do you have any clips to prove your statement?

I have not any clips... But I can't recommend you to watch the goals he made in his only season in Barsa... For example, what happen if Ronaldo doesn't go to trainnings? Get fat, get slow... etc.

If Romario didn't want to go to practices, because he were in a party last night... he still doing great. His selfconfidence was superb. There is a lot of amazing goals he got...

I guess only Maradona and Romario has been the kind of guys who just need ten good players, no very good.. just good, to be champions of the world. (However, Romario had great team mates in WC '94)... Romario could come to BCN, and said: "I will score 30 goals this season, I swear!" and he made it!
Romario was so smart playing. I haven't seen another forward as him. Even Ronaldo in Barsa was not so great as Romário, for me. Maybe just Van Basten was at the same level...

If you want to learn something more about soccer, I strongly recommend you to watch some videos of these two forwards... I assume you are very young. Anyway, you will enjoy of these two great players. And then, just then, you could have enough elements to get your own conclusions.. :thmbup:

 

MARADONA ADMIRES BOTH: I remember Maradona saying once that RIVALDO was the best LEFTY he had seen since his retirement or something very similar to this...(Maradona is a big fan of Rivaldo).

I think he had just powdered his nose when he said this.

 

Football is a team sport and as such is difficult to establish what player of such standard I prefer. Both are exceptionally good players. Rather than Ronladinho or Rivaldo I would say Ronaldinho AND Rivaldo.

 

Rivaaaaaldo

 

Romario could come to BCN, and said: "I will score 30 goals this season, I swear!" and he made it!
Romario was so smart playing. I haven't seen another forward as him. Even Ronaldo in Barsa was not so great as Romário, for me. Maybe just Van Basten was at the same level...

What Ronaldo did in Barcelona only 2 others guys in the history of this game were able to do: Pele and Maradona!

Romario's stay at Barcelona was superb...but Ronaldo's was sublime!

I never get tired of watching those Ronaldo 97 clips! He scored goals ala Maradona. Taking off from midfield; dribbling pass the opposition! In the process of scoring that solo goal against Compostela unlike Maradona who was not touched by any English Defender when he scored the so called "Goal of the Century", ROnaldo was kicked, fouled, and pulled but his speed, ball control, and power were able to overcome any defense or defender!

I've seen the great Marco "Goalo" Van Basten in action and Romario as well! 2 out of the very best strikers in the history of this game indeed, but where they better than IL FENOMENO? I'm not being biased here but the answer is NO WAY! Not even close! People tend to forget that RONALDO was only 20 years of age when he came to Spain and scored a total tally of 34 goals in 37 games! Romario managed to score 30 goals in 34 games and he was in his PRIME!

 

What Ronaldo did in Barcelona only 2 others guys in the history of this game were able to do: Pele and Maradona!

Romario's stay at Barcelona was superb...but Ronaldo's was sublime!

I never get tired of watching those Ronaldo 97 clips! He scored goals ala Maradona. Taking off from midfield; dribbling pass the opposition! In the process of scoring that solo goal against Compostela unlike Maradona who was not touched by any English Defender when he scored the so called "Goal of the Century", ROnaldo was kicked, fouled, and pulled but his speed, ball control, and power were able to overcome any defense or defender!

I've seen the great Marco "Goalo" Van Basten in action and Romario as well! 2 out of the very best strikers in the history of this game indeed, but where they better than IL FENOMENO? I'm not being biased here but the answer is NO WAY! Not even close! People tend to forget that RONALDO was only 20 years of age when he came to Spain and scored a total tally of 34 goals in 37 games! Romario managed to score 30 goals in 34 games and he was in his PRIME!

Ronaldo did great. What he did in that season was unforgettable, all of us have several goals in our mind, actually I've never seen him playing as he did that year. The injuries didn't kill him, but since then he didn't find the form of the year 1998 (although he's doing great now). I recall that match against Atlético in Copa that we won 5-4 after the 0-3 in the half time. I have the newspaper (Sport) kept from that day. Ronaldo said that he arrived to the dressing room in the half time depressed, Barça had no option... and Stoitchkov came and told him: "Hey you... press says that you are the best player around, the next Pelé,... well, you have 45 minutes to show it, do it now or never"... Ronaldo scored 3 goals in the second half. Amazing.

But he chose to leave... so his goals will be an good anecdote and his attitude a bad one. In any case, I think people have better memories about Romario. Perhaps because Romario was linked to the Dream Team, perhaps because he was more beautiful to watch, perhaps for the hat trick in the 5-0 to Real Madrid,...

 

But he chose to leave... so his goals will be an good anecdote and his attitude a bad one. In any case, I think people have better memories about Romario. Perhaps because Romario was linked to the Dream Team, perhaps because he was more beautiful to watch, perhaps for the hat trick in the 5-0 to Real Madrid,...

Did he really choose to leave Koeman? I heard he left because the CLUB wouldn't pay him the right amount of money he deserved. Ronaldinho just got a raise didn't he? I guess Barcelona did not want to make the same mistake twice.

However, if I recall correctly...RONALDO wanted to RETURN to Barcelona but it was your ex coach who declined the signing of Il Fenomeno!

Can you imagine having both RONALDO and RONALDINHO GAUCHO playing together?

Are you forgetting about ROnalo's hat trick against Valencia? He scored another remarkable goal in that game...There will never be another RONADO for sure! This Henry guy is just a cheap imitation!

 

Did he really choose to leave Koeman? I heard he left because the CLUB wouldn't pay him the right amount of money he deserved. Ronaldinho just got a raise didn't he? I guess Barcelona did not want to make the same mistake twice.

However, if I recall correctly...RONALDO wanted to RETURN to Barcelona but it was your ex coach who declined the signing of Il Fenomeno!

Can you imagine having both RONALDO and RONALDINHO GAUCHO playing together?

Are you forgetting about ROnalo's hat trick against Valencia? He scored another remarkable goal in that game...There will never be another RONADO for sure! This Henry guy is just a cheap imitation!

I can't deny the part of guilt Núñez had in his departure, but honestly, I think he was fooled by his corrupt agents, they forced him to leave to get their part of the cake. Núñez carried really bad the negotiations, he thought that Ronaldo wouldn't leave, but I'm sure that he would have increased his salary at the end, it was a demand of the fans, as it has been with Ronaldinho. He chose a bad option though, he did a step back in his career going to a smaller club (at that time) and to a league that wasn't the best for his skills. And no, I don't forget his hat trick against Valencia with that amazing goal passing through the 2 central defenders.

 

I think he had just powdered his nose when he said this.

powdered or not, I respect what he said, because the way you look soccer doesn't change because of drugs. He enjoyed watching Rivaldo as he enjoys watching Dinho, today.