silly question... of course Kaka&Dinho... :rollani: Dinho&Robinho is foolish one... while Brazil has :star: Kaka :star:

 

silly question... of course Kaka&Dinho... :rollani: Dinho&Robinho is foolish one... while Brazil has :star: Kaka :star:

methinks you should have just ignored this thread if you think it's silly.

 

I don't know. But I'd like to see Robinho in the first 11... at least in the 22.

 

right now: Ronaldinho and Kaka....

 

Ahh, just throw two first-team jerseys up and see who catches them. Whoever catches a shirt should play, since they can't play shirtless. :happy:

 

Kaka-less brazil is always better for me (MY very humble opinion)

So Robinho is it, and to avoid any misunderstandings , we are talking Ronaldinho Fenomeno, not Ronaldinho Gaucho

Of course there are some other options, i just made my choice among those 2

 

Robinho is better than Kaka hence Robinho shd be in the first 11. But u know how conservative Parreira is...he will come to his senses only after being trashed in Buenos Aires by Pekerman. Mark my words.

Gaucho and robinho=show de bola.Watching the 2 in the Hong Kong match leaves no doubts. This partnership shall never be forgotten by the time the curtain is drawn on German 2006.

 

What's this thread assuming about Adriano? Only Brazil would seem to have enough talent to forget about him for even a few seconds. I've not seen the NT play for over a year. I can hardly wait to see to new players and rotations.

 

I think we need someone like Robinho to play with either Ronaldo or Adriano. My dream team would be Ronaldo, Gaucho, Robinho and Alex

 

my vote goes to robinho. the guy was the best player last game. yet, parreira rather praise emerson. :wth:

 

well might make sense as Robinho is just a kid, too many complements might spoil him

 

im a big fan of robinho also but we hafta remember that this was his 1st game against an opponent we beat easily, it was a good start but he has to brought into the NT slowly i think... ricardo oliveira for example scored 2 but that shouldnt warrant him a place among the 22...
right now parreiras choice is ronaldo, ronaldinho gaucho n kaka... if he decides to drop kaka my opinion that adriano is next in line (he has been great for the past 2 years, n amazin in the copa america), n if parreira aint satisfied with that either n then i think robinho should have a chance...

falou

 

I know very little about the Brazilian NT since the WC. Is it totally out of question to play a 4-2-3-1, with Kaka, Robinho and Ronaldino supporting Ronaldo or Adriano?

 

my vote goes to robinho. the guy was the best player last game. yet, parreira rather praise emerson. :wth:

Kind of apples and oranges isn't it? Parreira needs a d-mid right now. Robinho is behind Ronaldo, Adriano, Ronaldinho Gaúcho and Kaká right now in a fight for 2 spots when everyone is healthy. (Of course Ronaldinho Gaúcho and Kaká can play the o-mid spot as well and usually do).

 

I know very little about the Brazilian NT since the WC. Is it totally out of question to play a 4-2-3-1, with Kaka, Robinho and Ronaldino supporting Ronaldo or Adriano?

Well, to do that you'd probably need two dedicated defensive midfielders and Parreira is trying to play with only one. Juninho Pernambucano and Zé Roberto play right and left respectively and play defense and offense, both supporting the backs and creating individually.

I would love to be able to see Robinho play right and Ronaldinho play left in an offensive formation, but I'm not sure I want to drop JP and Zé Roberto. Finally, Parreira is unlikely to change so close to the World Cup unless he feels that the central defense is not sufficiently protected and that the team does not hold the ball well enough.

 

Robinho is better than Kaka hence Robinho shd be in the first 11. But u know how conservative Parreira is...he will come to his senses only after being trashed in Buenos Aires by Pekerman. Mark my words.

Gaucho and robinho=show de bola.Watching the 2 in the Hong Kong match leaves no doubts. This partnership shall never be forgotten by the time the curtain is drawn on German 2006.

Better? No way. Very different? Yes. Kaká is a leader on one of the best teams in Europe and having a good second season. It's amazing how easily some people dismiss him.

 

like al said kaka is too easily dismissed... hes had 2 very good seasons for milan, after some good seasons for sp, he should be receivin more credit...
and also u cant compare robinho n kaka as they r completely different players and would perform different functions for the NT, and right now the advantage should be to kaka even tho robinho is bein more hyped at the moment...

falou

 

speaking about Robinho, you guys should not forget Diego and Nilmar :thmbup:

 

speaking about Robinho, you guys should not forget Diego and Nilmar :thmbup:

just too many good players.

 

just too many good players.

Definitely. On offense we are spoiled for good players - probabl more so than ever before in Brazilian national team history.

We basically have space for three forwards and two midfielders who can help on offense. Right now they are Ronaldinho Gaúcho, Ronaldo and Kaká with Juninho Pernambucano and Zé Roberto.

IMHO all 5 of these would start on just about any national team in the world.

Amazingly, so would some of our bench:

Adriano, Robinho, Alex, Júlio Baptista, based on their national team and club play could break into any national team in the world and they're forced to our bench.

Then you have Diego, Luis Fabiano, Nilmar, Ricardo Oliveira, all superb back-up options for us right now, not to mention a huge number of midfield options to back up Zé Roberto and Juninho Pernambucano.

 

u cant forget Vagner Love either... n Liedson is apparently tearin it up n portugal...

 

Kaka has one good season in Milan, this season he is not very good. The leader is definitely Shevchenko, do all of you who praise him so much really see him every week lately??

Kaka is still at his best having some big brother around, in Mialn case - usually Sheva

In Brazil? Try to remember what was the best game for Kaka in the NT , I will say no more

Nobody dissmiss anybody easily, most of the people here think before they write.

The question is , for me at least, that i do not understand Parreira

Does he want to play the best 11 at every given moment ? Does he know who they are?? I doubt it He has no idea of some of the players you mentioned here because he , unlike some of us, does not follow al the leagues , only Spain, Italy, England, some Portugal , France and germany maybe.

His loss.

So, I do not think he is playing the best 11 in every given moment

He is playing the ones he knows and trust, he is afraid of changes. and let alone change of sysem

As for volantes , he shoud try Aurelio.

And Kaka is not very good in holding agianst pressure. Maybe he was in SO, in Europe and the NT he is not, or you and me were not seeing the same games lately

Do not forget, he and Ronaldinho Gaucho are quite young, they will be leaders in 2-3 years maybe. They are not yet/

Ronaldinho in barsa is not the one we have seen in the WC, sorry to say it, I really like Ronaldinho and barça is my team.

 

Nobody dissmis anybody easily, most of the people here think before they write.

Funny how you say that but dismiss Parreira's opinions easily.

Thequestion is , for me at least, that i do not understand Parreira

Fair enough.

Does he want to play the best 11 at every given moment ? Does he know hwo they are?? I doubt it He has no idea of some of the players you mentioned here because he , unlike some of us, does not follow al the leagues , only Spain, Italy, England, some Portugal , France and germany maybe.

This is easily one of the stupidest misconceptions/assumptions about Parreira and any other coach. Germany maybe? Practically all our central defense comes from Germany. Gilberto has gotten call ups from Germany now. So he doesn't call forwards and offensive midfielders from Germany, doesn't mean he isn't watching.

Dudu Cearense was called up from Japan, Fábio Luciano from Turkey, Maxwell from Holland. Think before you post.

So, I do not think he is playing the best 11 in every given moment

True, I don't think so either, but maybe he does not believe that is viable.

He is playing the ones he knows and trust, he is afraid of changes. and let alone change of sysem

More nonsense. Just because he doesn't change as often as you'd like doesn't mean he's afraid of change. He's sticking to a solid plan and yes, it is possible he might have a better option he has not seen (personally with Brazil's talent I think we should drop Roberto Carlos and Cafu entirely and play a 3-5-2). But he also believes in building a team over time and putting the best eleven on the field and finding a scheme for them is not how he works. He does believe that investing in one system long-term is better than changing systems in the middle of the campaign. I might disagree, but it's certainly not unreasonable.

On the one hand you say you don't understand Parreira, on the other hand you claim that he doesn't like change, is afraid of change, and changing the system, doesn't watch certain players. Do you understand him or not?

As for volantes , he shoud try Aurelio.

Haven't seen him, but based on what I have heard about him I'd like to see him get a shot.

Do not forget, he and Ronaldinho Gaucho are quite young, they will be leaders in 2-3 years maybe. They are not yet.

Ronaldinho Gaúcho is a leader in Barça and should be for Brazil too - based on his position, his influence and how much better it makes his game.

 

So, I do not think he is playing the best 11 in every given moment

I have three questions for you:

1- At any given moment (your pick) who were our best eleven?

2- How would you play them all at the same time? What system would you use?

3- Now, having answered one and two as yourself, put yourself in Parreira's shoes. Considering Parreira believes that the most important thing for a team is possession (not defense!) and that Parreira wants a team that can hold the ball, create quality chances and, when they lose the ball recover it as quickly as possible, how well would your best 11 do? Would they require time to improve these aspects as a team? Or would you expect them to play your system perfectly and do all these things well right away?

 

There's something an American fooball coach (and I mean 'American' football, with the helmets and shoulder-pads) once said about his sport that is very wise, and applies to football (TRUE football, 'natch):
– In football it's not about playing the eleven best, it's about playing the best eleven.

The NT isn't necessarily the 11 best Brazilian players. If the best ten Braziian players were five strikers and five attacking mids, would we play with all of them? No. That's the thing, the "best eleven" is the best possible formation with the best players from their respective positions. Which is precisely the reason why the powerful Adriano is still a reserve, and why Ronaldinho Gaucho, Kaka, Alex, Robinho and Julio Baptista can't all play together behind the striker.

The way Parreira's team is set up, there are TWO spots being disputed by Julio Baptista, Robinho, Kaka, Ronaldinho Gaucho, Nilmar and several others. I really don't believe this setup will change at this point, with the WC so close. Two of these great players will be starters, and the others will be either at the bench or at home.