Dribbles
Beckham: 190.

:googly: :wth: :groan: :howler:

Stats? You are starting to sound like Dagoods :tongue: :angel:

 

Yawn

 

Very interesting stats indeed. Based on those stats, one can draw the following conclusions:
a) as far as the precision of shots or passings go, Pires is more precise than Becks, thus erasing one of those myths saying that Becks is such a precise player with the passing and shooting. Becks is very precise but Pires is better than him in that area.

:dontcare: Not to mention the fact that Beckham tries long ball's and shot's from well out including free kicks while Pires is into short passing :wallbang:

b) Becks crosses more in a game than probably most players in the world. Crossing is one of the main aspects of his game, if not the most dominant part of his game. His cross completion may be higher than Pires's but one has to take into account that Becks crosses more than double the amount of crosses than Pires.

Taking into account he crosses more then it is even more impressive.

His dribbles are more based on pace, while Pires's dribbles combine both pace and skills to perfection.

Beckham has no pace.And it's pretty well known he doesnt take on players.

d) Again, emphasizing the versatility of Pires, is his defensive skills as well. He helps the midfield a lot in the recuperation phase with pin-point tackles, passes and skills. When he recuperates a ball both in defence or in midfield, he uses his short passing abilities or dribbling skills. Becks, when he recuperates a ball, most likely, he will deliver a long pass to one of his forwards hence the high number of clearances for Becks.

Pires helping out the defence and pin point tackles He stands there waiting to counter.

e) Both Becks and Pires are very clean players, meaning they don't commit a lot of fouls. However, Pires is the one committing the least amount of fouls, due to his "Mr. Nice-Guy" characteristics. One thing to mention, Pires has NEVER been sent off in his career. On the other hand, Beckham has seen the red a few times.

Pires doesnt tackle so how can he get sent off.Not to mention he spits in peoples faces like in the Australia friendly.Beckham only stays on the field because he's England captain stray elbows and astonishingly late tackles but he stays on the field

All in all, both are tremendous players, but one player wins it hands down. Hands down because he dominates Becks in the areas where Becks is reputed to be "the best in the world" such as precision of passings and assisting despite the greater number of passes attempted by Becks (2380 passes for Pires, with 82% completion % for Bob and 16 assists; on the other hand, Becks attempted 3,132 passes with a 77% completion % and 14 assists. It was well known before this study and now it is even more apparent and obvious that the French is a more skilled, versatile and polyvalent player than Becks.



What was the point of this there differant players anyway.

 

Pires should be compared with other left wingers such as Giggs, Duff, and Kewell rather than a right winger.

 

Well,
Jamal, Pires can play anywhere in midfield, and that's due to his versatility: he can play in both wings, central midfielder, defensive midfielder, playmaker, in short, every position in midfield.

 

Robert Pires VS David Beckham


Appearances
Pires: 50.
Beckham: 58.
Minutes played
Pires: 3,925.
Beckham: 4,716.

Goals Attempts:

Goals
Pires: 14.
Beckham: 17.

Shots on target
Pires: 41.
Beckham:17.

Shots off target

Pires:35.
Beckham: 60.

Goals-to-shots %
Pires: 18%.
Beckham: 13%.

Shooting accuracy
Pires: 54%.
Beckham: 47%.

Minutes between goals:
Pires: 280.
Beckham: 277.

Passing:

Goal assists

Pires:16.
Beckham: 14.
Passes
Pires: 2,380.
Beckham: 3132.
Pass completion
Pires: 82%.
Beckham: 77%.

Crossing:

Crosses
Pires: 217.
Beckham: 575.
Cross completion
Pires: 24%.
Beckham: 27%.
Crosses per game
Pires: 4.3
Beckham: 9.9.

Dribbling

Dribbles
Pires: 393.
Beckham: 190.
Dribble completion %
Pires: 74%.
Beckham: 78%.

Defending

Tackles
Pires: 110.
Beckham: 118.
Tackles won %
Pires: 75%.
Beckham: 62%.
Clearances
Pires: 24.
Beckham: 53.
Interceptions
Pires: 15.
Beckham: 17.

Discipline

Fouls
Pires: 46.
Beckham: 71.
Offsides
Pires: 11.
Beckham: 29.
Yellow cards
Pires: 7.
Beckham: 11.
Red cards
Pires: 0.
Beckham: 0.

based on these stats you can draw the following conclusions.

a) Beckham manages to score goals more regularly than Pires (an average of every 277.41 minutes as opposed to 280.35 for Pires)

b) Beckham spends far more time in the opposition half distributing the ball or taking shots on goal (575 crosses within the opposition half, 3122 passes, 77 shots on goal, 29 offsides) which is at the heart of a successful 'team' game.

c) when Beckham does dribble with the ball, he has a higher completion rate than Pires.

d) Beckham is a more committed 'team' player than Pires, with 118 tackles, 153 clearances, 17 interceptions.

e) Beckham is not afraid to mix it with the opposition, picking up 71 fouls and 11 yellow cards. This ties in with committment.

I know which player I'd rather have in my team

 

Goals
Beckham: 17.
Shots on target
Beckham:17

:eekani: you're sure this is correct?

 

A recent Cincinnati Enquirer headline read, "Smell of baked bread may be health hazard." The article went on to describe the dangers of the smell of baking bread. The main danger, apparently, is that the organic components of this aroma may break down ozone (I'm not making this stuff up).

I was horrified. When are we going to do something about bread-induced global warming? Sure, we attack tobacco companies, but when is the government going to go after Big Bread?

Well, I've done a little research, and what I've discovered should make anyone think twice....

1: More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread eaters.
2: Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.
3: In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were> unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, yellow fever and influenza ravaged whole nations.
4: More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
5: Bread is made from a substance called "dough." It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!
6: Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low occurrence of cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease and osteoporosis.
7: Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after only two days.
8: Bread is often a "gateway" food item, leading the user to "harder" items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter and even cold cuts.
9: Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.
10: New-born babies can choke on bread.
11: Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.
12: Most bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.


There is a point to this. Statistics do no prove nor disprove a theory on there own, because there are many ways to analyse them. I might post more on who I think is better, but for now:

STATISTICS ARE MEANINGLESS. REPEAT: THERE ARE LIES, DAMN LIES AND STATISTICS.

 

The reason why Pires has a better pass rate is because Pires plays a lot of his passes along the ground. Where as Beckham plays a lot of long passes.

Those stats looked pretty equal in all. And i've got to say that you sounded biased towards Pires.

 

Bwahahaha!

Great post Wilmot. You definitely hit the nail on the spot!

 

As has already been said, statistics can be manipulated in any which way you choose, to be pro-Pires or Beckham in this case.

But looking at the players, & judging them, they are totally different players anyway. Beckham imo is best as central midfielder because I want my wingers to dribble passed people, & my central midfielders to be able to hit an accurate long ball. I think it would be best to have both on your team

Payman, the French are not the best footballing nation on Earth, & it's time you bloody well realised that.

 

Well,
Jamal, Pires can play anywhere in midfield, and that's due to his versatility: he can play in both wings, central midfielder, defensive midfielder, playmaker, in short, every position in midfield.

If Pires ever tried to play as a defensive midfielder, he'd be chewed up and spat out even before you could say "sacre blues!!". Pires is a fantastic player but he's way too fragile to play DM.

Get real.

 

My Grandad Vs David Beckham

Appearances

Grandad: 10
Becks: 60

Goals

Grandad: 67
Becks: 15

Passing accuracy

Grandad: 98.7%
Becks: 76%

therefore the better player is..my grandad!

STATS MEAN JACK SH*T PEOPLE!

 

Lol, brilliance Wilmot :thumbsup: :howler: :howler:

 

Lets compare Chalk and cheese. :rollani:

Pires and Bekham both excel in their respective positions and roles.

I agree with LFC Dom - Pires passes along the ground. He doesnt hit too many long balls and he isnt a natural crosser. His strength lies in controlling the ball on the ground and quick short distribution. Spice, on the other hand specializes in hitting long balls behind the defence and in sending crosses in. Wheres the comparison? Why dont we just argue about who looks better instead.

Or is the argument about whether midfielders should hit long balls or short balls ?

 

Stats?

The bottom line is this:

Pires is back to his best, and at his best, he is the most skilful, imaginative, effective, effervescent, and downright brilliant, player in the world.

 

Stats?

The bottom line is this:

Pires is back to his best, and at his best, he is the most skilful, imaginative, effective, effervescent, and downright brilliant, player in the world.

Wow. Nice adjectives.

 

A recent Cincinnati Enquirer headline read, "Smell of baked bread may be health hazard." The article went on to describe the dangers of the smell of baking bread. The main danger, apparently, is that the organic components of this aroma may break down ozone (I'm not making this stuff up).

I was horrified. When are we going to do something about bread-induced global warming? Sure, we attack tobacco companies, but when is the government going to go after Big Bread?

Well, I've done a little research, and what I've discovered should make anyone think twice....

1: More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread eaters.
2: Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.
3: In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were> unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, yellow fever and influenza ravaged whole nations.
4: More than 90 percent of violent crimes are committed within 24 hours of eating bread.
5: Bread is made from a substance called "dough." It has been proven that as little as one pound of dough can be used to suffocate a mouse. The average American eats more bread than that in one month!
6: Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low occurrence of cancer, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's disease and osteoporosis.
7: Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after only two days.
8: Bread is often a "gateway" food item, leading the user to "harder" items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter and even cold cuts.
9: Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.
10: New-born babies can choke on bread.
11: Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.
12: Most bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.


There is a point to this. Statistics do no prove nor disprove a theory on there own, because there are many ways to analyse them. I might post more on who I think is better, but for now:

STATISTICS ARE MEANINGLESS. REPEAT: THERE ARE LIES, DAMN LIES AND STATISTICS.

:howler: :howler: :howler: :howler:

Wow. Nice adjectives.

:howler: :howler:

 

Wow. Nice adjectives.

I applaud you for managing to say something positive about that post

 

A recent Cincinnati Enquirer headline read, "Smell of baked bread may be health hazard."

Superb;
Excellent, Great, Awesome, Inspirational and Hilarious;
True, Well said, Interesting and Funny;
Educational and Wise.

That's just the starting eleven. On the bench we can also see "relevant" and "sarcastic".

Great post, wilmot. :star:

 

And about the original thread topic - as Fred Elliot demonstrated, the stats can be read in more than one way, depending on what you want to prove. And San_Siro's original analysis was biased beyond words.

 

nice to see some sense from other posters in here at last.

 

Stats DO mean something, but in this case not much. In my opinion, which was in no way affected by those stats, Pires is better than Beckham. Arsenal should be happy to have him back.

 

Beckham should concentrate more on improving his soccer skills instead leading a fashion lifestyle.
So in my opinion, pires is much better than beckham

 

It has been a long time I never see a great post like Wilmot's...