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Poland v Italy, Italy v Uruguay (November Friendlies)

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#1 ·
The Italy v Uruguay match will be in Rome :thumbsup:

However, first its Poland v Italy. With Cassano and Rossi missing (get well soon to both, especially Cassano with his condition) it will be a time to experiment upfront. I think in the game at Poland I would play with Giovinco and Balotelli in attack and in the Uruguay game with Balotelli and Pazzini.
 
#4 ·
balotelli and matri would be interesting...but i think without cassano giovinco's creativity may be needed.

either way, i think balotelli, matri and giovinco can do the job for us under cassano and rossi get back.
 
#7 · (Edited)
Squad called up:

Goalkeepers: Buffon, De Sanctis, Sirigu

Defenders: Abate, Maggio, Balzaretti, Criscito, Ogbonna, Barzagli, Chiellini, Ranocchia

Midfielders: Aquilani, De Rossi, Marchisio, Montolivo, Nocerino, Pirlo, Pepe, Thiago Motta

Forwards: Giovinco, Balotelli, Pazzini, Matri, Osvaldo
 
#11 ·
I think i have repeated it so many times...
I don't justify but understand the fact that Argentinian players play for the Italian NT when we have no better players. Camoranesi was an improvement to our team even if I didn't want him anyway and he should have waited for the call of his NT, the Argentinian NT, which could indeed never come. The likes of Osvaldo, Schelotto, Zarate, Silvestre add nothing, they are more or less as good/bad as the Italian players so I don't justify and don't understand the fact that they are called up.
 
#12 ·
so your saying you dont want players with italian passports who were born elsewhere playing for the national team?..pride is below integrity you know..welcome to 2011..football is global..national teams have players born in different places..schellotto is as italian as christian vieri...vieri is half french half italian and was born in australia.

go figure..get your head out of your ass

also..silvestre is a far better defender then barzagli and bonucci..the latter makes me sick in particular.
 
#19 ·
The dumbest post ever. What is the connection between globalization and stealing players who should belong to different NTs just because of Italian ancestors? :googly: Players like Ogbonna and Balotelli are welcome in the NT no matter what is their origin because they were grown in Italy. Indeed I would have been annoyed if they had chosen Nigeria and Ghana respectively. Nor it was right indeed because Nigeria and Ghana haven't developed them! Luckily it didn't happen. Players like Camoranesi, Osvaldo, Thiago Motta, Amauri etc. should play for their NTs which surely are not the Italian NT, since a different country than Italy made them what they are.
 
#16 ·
He grw up in Ausralia for his first 6 or 7 years though didnt he?
 
#15 ·
The squad is predictable. Only thing I wouldn't have predicted is the call of Pepe and I hope it is the last.
 
#20 ·
fixed. btw, you don't know shit about barzagli.

glad that finally bonucci's omitted. don't know how good ogbonna is, wonder if he's better than cannavaro, looking forward to seeing him. that 4th cb spot should really be up for grabs. the other 3 spots seems set with chiellini, ranocchia, and barzagli.
 
#27 ·
A country could possibly make you entirely who you are, or a majority of who you are. That is possible. But it is almost always never entirely the case.

Everything, and nothing, make up you who you are.

BUT, if you want to use the theory that a country, does in fact, make you who you are, then, well, doesn't playing in Serie A, which is IN the Republic of Italy, kind of make you who you are too? I mean you're living there. You're getting trained by Italian technicians. You're eating Italian food, speaking Italian, and supporting the economy. And again, you're LIVING there. You are alive, there. You are making new memories, there. So doesn't that make you who you are too? I think so. So that argument sort of cancels it self out, before you would even reach my initial theory of "everything and nothing" make up you who you are.

But I'll go further.

We are headed into a new generation as a global society. Things are going to be much, much different in just 10 years, compared back to even the 1980s. The 2000s decade was the grey area for Post-Modernism (as the 50s was the grey area leading into Post-Modernism). 2010 and onward, Hyper Modernism some are calling it, is going to consist of a new global generation that is going to be very, very different from the lifestyle that we think/know/were taught growing up in the 80s, 90s, 2000s (I'm assuming most, if not all, of the users on this forum were born in between 1977 and 1992--which is the internet's "consensus" of what Gen Y is).

I digress--our new society is very different, and with change, comes new rules. I'm not saying open the hatch for anyone to join any national team at any time, nor am I saying marijuana should be legalized and everyone should be high at all given times, at every second of the day. It should be legalized, but obviously treated responsibly. I'm not saying everyone should not have kids and only adopt. We have enough humans on this planet, let's work on fixing a life for the future, but if you're ****ingly adamant on having your own kids, after thoroughly thinking through adopting a child, then sure, go ahead.

There's a certain social climate out there, and before you make a change, assess the situation, and make the appropriate adjustment.

If there were too many non-natives crowding national teams, that don't spend much time in the country they want to play for, then Id' say "Okay boys, national teams are not accurately represented by the players selected, lets take a look at this, and apply some new rules". But that hasn't happened yet. Having 3 or 4 players, that aren't Italian natives, but actually play their football in Italy--I can't see what the problem is.

My point is, I completely defend, and, support the notion that you can select someone that "isn't" Italian, or any nation rather, to play for a nation other than their native land. It's a progression. It's evolution. And no, being born in Argentina, or wherever, doesn't make you who you are. Every, single, moment, asleep or conscious, makes up who you are. All 24 hours, of all 7 days, in all 52 weeks, of all the years you've been alive, make up, just who you are. That is what makes you up. Yes, your nation, and its customs, the geographic climate, food, etc... yes, that of course has a lot play in what makes you who you are, but again, it's your experiences that make you who you are. Your dreams while you're asleep make you who you are. Some people even rebel against the governments of their country; so what's to be said of that then?

If you pledge allegiance to Italy, and not Argentina, or where ever, and you have an Italian passport, there's no justifiable or rational reason to deny someone that right to play for Italy, or vice versa. It's just not progressively logical.

The point of me bringing up generational gaps, is that, even though Gen Y, and Gen Z, and onward, will be more liberal than Gen X and Baby Boomers before them, there of course will still be conservative people that slip through the cracks and carry out an old-world mindset. I'm not saying anyone here is out-right an old man inside a younger man's body, but, it is an old-world mentality to be all like "this person wasn't BORN and/or RAISED in Italy, so they should not represent their national team". That's the type of xenophobia our parents have about gays, and, some people in Italy have about having black people play on the national team.

What about people born in a plane? What about those people you meet, where they're part of a family where their parents keep getting jobs in different countries around the world and they're always moving? Then what? They don't really have a home country. Should they play for the national team of Earth?

You can never fully acquire 23 players that have spent, with exception of vacation, all their time and life in Italy, with Italian parents, practicing the culture they're "supposed" to be practicing, which by the way, change as newer generations germinate.

But let's be serious for a second, what the **** do I know...

Edit: One last thing, regarding ToniSamp's comment about the nation producing too much talent and having no room--great point.

What then? What if that person can't make it on to their respective national team, but they have ties to a different nation, which they do genuinely have substantial feelings for that would make it rationally acceptable for them to play for. What's wrong with that?
 
#29 ·
You think Camoranesi doesn't have a great deal of love and respect for Italy, and the Azzurri?

It would be pretty difficult to ever decipher that, but I don't think someone goes that far with a national team of another country, and have no admiration and respect for the football club and nation in question.
 
#30 ·
What are the chances that Camoranesi would be a football player known by everyone if he were born in India?
Do you know what is the meaning of international football and what is its substantial difference from club football? Talking about feelings in football is funny but I don't even want to investigate them because it is not the point.
 
#31 ·
BTW it should not be so difficult to apply this easy rule to players.

Did you grew as a player in Italy no matter whether you were born in Italy or your parents are Italian? No Italian club "bought" (stole?) you to the foreign club who developped you as a player till you became a promising teen? You are entitled to play for the Italian NT.
Did you come to play for an Italian club who bought you when you were a promising teen or even later in your carreer? You are not entitled to play for the Italian NT, no matter whether you have an Italian parents, least of all an ancestor, you have married an Italian woman or whatever else can link you to Italy. Play for the country who made you a football player.
 
#34 ·
Actually, and simply, play for your own country...Camoranesi and Balotelli Italian? is Cisse' French or that turkish dude German? what a crock of shit...in the 30s oriundi were ok as they were actually not far removed generationally (a set of parents abroad thats why Rossi is acceptable) but osvaldo amauri and all that s american rimasugli well thats another story. Then again as Italy makes no babies and hence there is no new talent pool to draw upon, how else u gonna provide new talent for the NT? The scuole calcio are empty where are the f ucking bambini?

Pirri ur a shallow dope
 
#36 ·
yep i know what it means when boys announce their boredom...likelittle girls...be proud of your gayness nonetheless and ciuccia sta cippa frocio
 
#37 ·
iow there lots of juice for u to lap up slurp slurp it up man
 
#39 ·
Simply said, I think players changing nationality cheapens national football. Be content you can play in whatever country you want as far as clubs go, but national football is something else. If there are no boundraries to what national team one can play in then I think the national teams lost their purpose.
 
#40 ·
Simply said, I think players changing nationality cheapens national football. Be content you can play in whatever country you want as far as clubs go, but national football is something else. If there are no boundraries to what national team one can play in then I think the national teams lost their purpose.
What you say there is right if the player is naturalized to play for a particular nation.
In this cases, the players like osvaldo hold the italian nationality and are eligible to play for italy.They havent taken italian nationality to play for italy, rather they qualified to be italian.