Interesting cost/benefit analysis from the Round Ball blog (highly recommended btw)

http://ankarafootball.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/hello-industrial-football.html

Hello industrial football

Got a friend in town and want to take her to the footy? Maybe your son wants to take a friend to a match. Relatives are visiting and want to experience what it is like to have real singing in a stadium. Maybe you just read this blog now and then and decide on one lovely sunny day, "Bugger it. I'm going to the footy this afternoon!"

Well, you can all get stuffed because the government are introducing a new e-ticketing procedure called Passolig. Without a Passolig card you will not be able to get into the stadium for matches in the Super Lig and the 1st Division. For the moment you Ankaragucu fans are fine... just don't get promoted.

From the Passolig website:

With the new regulation which will put into force as of 14 April 2014 paper tickets will no longer be used and fans will enter the stadiums with PASSOLİG Card. With this new card system, tickets will not be printed and the information on matches will be uploaded to electronic tickets. This will enable a more speedy entrance to games, without waiting in queues.

The match tickets of sports fans who own PASSOLİG Card will be uploaded to their cards automatically. Season tickets will also be uploaded to PASSOLİG Cards. The information on and all details of the match will be sent to the e-mail addresses and mobile phones of the card holders. The card holders will also be able to print-out their ticket (information*) on the mobile terminals which will be installed in the stadiums. In short, PASSOLİG Card holders will have an easy access to all sorts of detailed information about the uploaded matches.
* I added the word information as they seem to have mistranslated. You won't need to print out tickets at home or on these fancy mobile terminals.

Okay, so basically to go to a match you will have to have a card that is similar to a season ticket card that many of us already have. You casual fans are a bit stuffed though.

Apparently there are lots of benefits to having a Passolig card. Let's take a look at the "Advantages of Passolig" page.

No waiting in queues in front of the stadiums.

Except for that queue at the actual gate.

Enjoy watching a match safely and comfortably with your acquaintances on your own seat, away from all the negativity.

It's the negativity and the standing that I like! Also make sure your acquaintances have Passolig cards.

Benefit from pre-match stadium activities and have a chance to win free tickets and promotions.

If pre-match activities includes free beer down in Kizilay, I'm all for it! Free tickets? I already buy mine. Promotions? Refer to beer.

Easily access licensed products of your favourite team at home and abroad.

When I'm abroad I often have this sort of conversation with Mrs Oz Kanka.

Me: You know what London/New York/Paris/Wagga Wagga really needs?
Mrs Oz Kanka: Friendly cultural respect for foreigners?
Me: No. What they need here is somewhere to buy a Genclerbirligi scarf. And not just any scarf you can buy for 10tl down at the stadium, but an official licenced scarf at four times the price!
No need to another card for your transportations.
This is pretty good as you won't have to line up to get tickets for the metro or buses or what not. One slight hassle is that this has not yet been introduced for cities including Ankara, Istanbul, Izmir, Antalya, Adana, Konya, Eskisehir, Diyarbakir, Trabzon etc etc. It will be good though for when we happen to be in Gaziantep, Kayseri, Kütahya, Düzce or Aksaray.

Use your PASSOLİG Card in the cafes and buffets in the stadiums without having to carry money in your pocket. No need to worry about coin change being taken by security before you enter the stadium.
It is true that I often forget to put money in my pocket. I don't have any hassles with losing coins though as I have a 10-year-old mule for that purpose.

So despite my lack of enthusiasm some of you may want to continue to go to the football and now you want to know how do you get your free card.

Well firstly, it isn't free. The card will cost 15tl. This is to increase every year with inflation. According to an article in Klasspor, 40 percent of this will go to the clubs, 5 percent to the TFF and Aktif Bank, who are running the system, gets to keep 55 percent.

By the way, it is just a pure coincidence that Calik Holding that owns Aktif Bank has extremely close relations with certain people.

Aktif Bank probably won't make that much money out of the yearly fee, but they will hold something much more valuable, they will have all the details of every football fan in the land. And in the name of offering us "promotions" our mobile phone message folders and e-mail accounts will be forever spammed.

There are three types of bank cards that you can choose from (none is not an option). They are the normal bank cards - debit, pre-paid or credit card.

Whenever you sign a deal with a bank it always comes with a 27-page terms of use agreement that nobody has ever read. To save you having to even think about ignoring the Passolig terms of use, I decided just now to take a look.

Oh look... that was quick. Section 2 is the official "you agree to get spammed by anyone Aktif Bank damn well like" section.
By accepting the Terms of Use, you accept that the personal information you provide may be shared with Aktif Bank’s affiliates, companies in the same group, Turkish Soccer Federation, associated program partners or contracted institutions; and that electronic messages of a commercial nature concerning marketing activities regarding products and services provided by Aktif Bank or the aforementioned institutions, including promotions, advertisements, commercials, campaigns, announcements, etc., may be transmitted to you by electronic mail, telephone, mobile phone (SMS), fax, letter, printed materials, and similar methods.
Don't worry though because the very next section states:
Aktif Bank shall not disclose personal information to third parties except for the circumstances set forth in the Terms of Use.
Number nine is a nice one which seemingly bans this blog post. Lucky I haven't actually accepted the terms of use yet.
Use of the information supplied in the Site, including reproduction, translation to another language, storage or processing, is subject to Aktif Bank’s prior written permission. Therefore, information published on the Site may not be reproduced, published, copied, amended, derivative works may not be created, provided and/or transmitted without Aktif Bank’s written permission. All or part of the Site may not be used without permission on another internet site, and links may not be provided to the Site.

It doesn't matter how much I blather on about it here. We are going to have to get these cards at some stage. On the Gencler site it says that season tickets for this year will not require a Passolig card, but that no paper tickets will be sold as of April 14. For next year, we will have to get them.

I'm not sure how it is going to work out for all. My son doesn't have a mobile phone. Does that mean he isn't allowed to go to the footy anymore?

 

being against passolig isn't about being against industrial football, it's about being against authoritarianism. if u get banned from games, taken into police custody, jailed and possibly worse because you get caught participating in a "we're mustafa kemal's soldiers" chant that's something else. there are lots of ulterior motives with the passolig/e-ticket crap.

 

being against passolig isn't about being against industrial football, it's about being against authoritarianism. if u get banned from games, taken into police custody, jailed and possibly worse because you get caught participating in a "we're mustafa kemal's soldiers" chant that's something else. there are lots of ulterior motives with the passolig/e-ticket crap.

:thumbsup:

Yes that's a very valid point. Unfortunately every new policy in TR has an ulterior motive...

 

Your personal information is probably already all over the place if you made a social thingy thing, an online purchase or using a smartphone. Not to speak about all those big companies who're already selling your info or losing them to hackers. So Aktif Bank not handling your personal information well is the least of your worries.

The Dutch public transport system has a comparable system now. The paper tickets are being replaced with cards. Difference is that you can buy an anonymous card if you want. But most people who often use public transport will get themselves a personal one because you can get discounts and other tools with it like printing out your travel and spending history to get your travel expenses paid out by your work.
The new system works ok after some major issues, but still has flaws like having to have at least €25 euros on you card to check in on trains. I almost missed my train ones because I had to buy extra credits at the machine because I came 2 euro too short of 25 for a 3 euro travel...

The biggest pro, besides the small conveniences summed in the article, is that people can be pinpointed and punished more easily. This will allow TFF to ban those pesky hooligans a lot easier.

 

Sorry but I couldn't get past the overly cynical attempts at humour in the first few lines to actually read that article.

Put concisely - what is it?

 

Have the club presidents started complaining about this yet? It's pathetic watching these games and the stands are basically empty.

 

Nope, the league forces most of these guys to spread the word about the benefits of passolig but no one's buying!! well no one except Galatasaray and Trabzon fans. I think Fener fans have a huge number of Passolig sales also? or are there protests like every other team besides the two mentioned above. It's a dumb system, can't force people to pay for tickets with a certain card or be denied entrance. never heard of a dumber system. It has had ZERO influence on fan behaviour as we saw in the FB vs GS game and yesterday'd Trabzon game.

It's supposed to stop cursing and stadium bans? so how did GS end up with a stadium ban? this whole idea is dumb just like everything else Demiroren touches. Should I dare say where this Passolig comes from? who it benefits?

 

I think Fener are protesting the system, TFF fined us after week 1 for it. Isn't going to stop cursing, that's a ridiculous excuse from them. At the Trabzon game the LigTV mics were turned off for extended periods of time due to the crowd.

 

Turkey is an authoritarian country so there is a risk the system can be abused by the highers up. But something needs to be done about hooliganism. The league sees this as a way of purging the bad seeds and ultimately creating a more family friendly environment.

Not sure if this is the best approach.

 

I'm with Kerem on this one.

The hooliganism is completely out of control in Turkiye. Personally if I lived there I wouldn't attend games. Something needs to be done so families can slowly start attending games.

With that said again like Kerem said I'm not sure if this is the best way to go about it.

 

The future of Turkish football

https://twitter.com/Jordan1Bissett/status/284448605450936320/photo/1

 

Good post yeni :thumbsup:

 

Savages need to be hammered into their place by a dictator "in the name of democracy"

 

If you want hooliganism to change in this country you need to change the mentality of the people as well. Which unfortunately wont happen until people become more modernised and civil like much of the western world.

However, in the mean time a more useful punishment would be thorough searches before every game for items that can cause severe damage or match disruption i.e flares etc. Alongside this, these hayvan fans should be jailed and banned for life from football matches. Surely it can't be that hard for fans to be identified nowadays.

I'd suggest compiling a list of known offenders - who'd then be banned after being caught out. In Turkey you need to come down hard on these assholes, unfortunately seeing as our society is a conservative one a slap across the face is needed.

Anything less and this trend will continue, until stricter punishments come into effect these scum will continually continue their rhetoric of 'olumune kadar bla bla bla' 'sikerim senin takimini bla bla bla'.

I can understand passion in games, but our guys go out of their way to cause as much destruction as possible.

 

This is why we ban all the kiros. Problem solved. Pasolig works.

 

Efsane I'll pass on the loss of some passion if it means women can go to games without being molested and fingered from behind.

Personally I don't see how you can be against the gentrification of football.

You basically get rid of the animals who shouldn't be alive in the first place, make the environment safe for everyone and have a rise in profits.

I personally don't see the downside in this.

 

Efsane I'll pass on the loss of some passion if it means women can go to games without being molested and fingered from behind.

:howler::howler::howler:

Personally I don't see how you can be against the gentrification of football.

I've seen both extremes, the number one complaint of fans in England is that the passion of the game has been killed through the gentrification of football.

In the US going to the game is akin to going to the theatre, it's just a light frills entertainment event.

I don't see football as light entertainment, it has a far deeper social value.

Germany and Italy perhaps have struck a better balance, there isn't as much hooliganism but the ultra groups have more power and the clubs have to give them certain privileges. Standing is allowed, you still see the flares, the flags, the big banners, the real fans have not been priced out and it is generally a far better atmosphere.

I am completely against an environment where the clubs/FA have total authority over the fans.

The balance of power should be 50/50 60/40, without the fans football is nothing. When presidents bankrupt clubs, make awful transfers, fail to bring success and ruin clubs nobody talks about restricting the board and rights of the corporate types but when a few fans misbehave we are to accept that EVERYBODY should suffer and live in a police state... I smell bullshit.

This is just another ploy by power crazed clubs and the FA to restrict the power of the supporters and start seeing themselves as overlords over the average fan when in fact they should see the fans as the reason for their existence!

Football is nothing but a few guys kicking a ball around a grass patch without the fans.

 

It's never been so boring to watch the football in our league. If anything the fans would be a part of the reason to watch the games to just hear the sheer noise and chants!

Sure, you're trying to clamp down on hooliganism, but I think hooliganism is akin to a much bigger problem in Turkey and football isn't the medium to help fix that. Clamping down on it with a harsh, 1984-esque system isn't going to improve it at all, it's only going to make it worse. You give harsh, black & white rules to irrational people and you will have irrational responses, i.e. what we're seeing now.

This isn't just focused on the fans, the unprofessional board members we have slithering around Turkey are normally the source of the animosity between clubs these days. I've never seen Besiktas and Fenerbahce so civil and that's because the boards and the players on the pitch are showing sportsmanship. Whereas a lot of the teams with bad blood have board members acting like 12 year olds themselves.

A BIG nay for me.

 

Maybe we're wording it wrong here - just simply searching people prior isn't enough. Maybe if they did more as security officials, such as enforce non-smoking, immediately remove any individual who fights etc. would help their cause.

Please let us know what hostile atmosphere generates revenue?

 

Clubs gets most of their revenuew from sponsors etc. nowadays. Lots of animalish behaviour means that clubs will loose the sponsors eventually(already in process).

Frankly, if alternative to empty stadiums are monkeys throwing water bottles like in that Fener-GS game in Izmir or morons storming the pitch, I prefer empty stadiums. Let them stay at home/cafés and burn down their own shit instead. Enough is enough, maca gitmesin pezevenkler... :thumbsup:

 

So no one here can see a middle ground between empty stadiums and hooligans carrying sniper rifles in the stadium?

Last season at Trabzon some shit was thrown at Burak and it hit him in the eye. They caught the guy and he received a 1 year ban from stadiums. All he probably does anyway is go to 2-3 matches a season. Rest of the games he's cursing at the TV at his local shit hole of a kahve.

Think that's enough to prevent it from happening in the future? Hooligans need proper 5-10 year punishments.

Case ****ing solved.

 

If you can't see the real motives behind Pasolig I give up.

If you are that 'saf' no point discussing this any further, have your Pasolig, the Stasi would be proud

Great atmosphere at the Galatasaray game, so many empty seats, thanks Pasolig :thumbsup:

 

You can't blame the Anderlecht game on Pasolig. That is only in enforcement for the Suprerlig and PTT lig.

 

Basaksehir and Trabzon match was just interrupted due to a TS fan running onto the pitch and going after the ref. Then their fans started cursing and the LigTV mics went on mute. All this at an away game. Whether you need a card or not to get in, all an idiot needs is one moment to snap.

 

Watch the hamsi's claim him to be a FB fan now. :howler:

 

But you need passolig to solve his identity, right?

 

The guy was surely arrested pretty sure they'll ask for his kimlik instead of passolig. You can also have more than one clubs card, so?

 

This Onur is too much now, aggressive asshole.

 

Its weird

i Was assuming stadiums in Turkey was empty due to high rip off prices, but then one of you wrote KS was offering tickets for 5tl an still would not fill.

So what is the problem then...Like here in England, even division 1 teams are playing with good attendances, where a family is able to come, or a father to take his child to the match due to cheap tickets or promotions such as children go for free.

An as mentioned, the German system is one i adore, EG Dortmund still give the atmosphere we love but still remain as a professional crowd.

I also believe that in Germany, the clubs would rather sacrifice earning a couple million, in order to be able to give fans cheaper priced tickets. Adamlar bambaska man.
They know from the amount people will spend like buying merchandise and food at the stadium they will get their money.

So, now the passolig has kicked in, their will be no excuse of hooligans, so if ur prices are low, whats stopping family's coming?

 

Attendances were low but Passolig has now killed Turkish football

Beşiktaş game got an attendance of 2000 :howler:

 

F(uck Passolig and f(uck the fascist pigs supporting this Gustapo system, you deserve to be ruled by the Stazi and have the state know what time you take a sh/t and how many sheets of toilet paper you use, morons.

 

:thmbup: :thmbup:

 

Nah bro. They wont tear the stadium apart, they'll stalk the players after a game is over, they'll break bus windows, assault players and justify it because 'taraftar her zaman hakli' roud: