My biggest fear is the midfield trio ,they are all exhausted specially Naingolan !

 

It is absolutely vital not to concede first against this Juve , if we do then it is officially game over.

I think Rudi can learn a lot from Atletico game:
1) Juve can be useless with position if you close the spaces in the last third and press their midfield hard. The second part is important. Almost all Serie A teams park the bus against them, but they rarely press their midfield. If we don't allow their midfield trio to get close from the box with the ball they become as harmless as stuffed kittens. We should allow them position as long they stay in their half, but press them hard and fast the moment they reach our half with the hope we can recover the ball and punish them fast on the counter when their wingbacks are pushing forward.

2)There has been lots of complaining from Juve staff/players/fans about Atletico troll and thug football. In reality this is how Juve has been playing in Serie A the past three years to some extent (Chiellini's game sums up that approach really well). Our Coppa and Serie A home games against them last year are perfect examples of how dirty and aggressive they can get. Their approach relay a lot on physicality and drawing tons of fouls to frustrate the opponents. Despite all the whining today; the fouls stats today were 22 vs 28 and the tackles 21 vs 28. Atetico is no worse than Juve. Moral of this is that we need to get dirty and physical against them. Some have been complaining about Mbiwa and Manolas over aggressive challenges but I think they are the kind of players to counter Juve's imposing physical style. I have no doubt Ninja can troll them, Keita and Maicon also can get dirty when needed, but we need Pjanic, Gervinho, Flroenzi..etc to get their big boys pants on and show them who is boss.

 

I think you're referring to possession.

Otherwise, everything you've said is valid but a key component you're not mentioning is Atletico pretty much parking the bus in their own half and showing very little initiative until they finally showed some in the second half and got lucky with the goal.

We definitely are not unbeatable and have significant weaknesses not least the ones i've detailed in our match thread in the Juve forum. We have a lot of problems breaking down resolute and entrenched defenses because of the limitations of our wingbacks and our continued use of the 3-5-2.

But if you really want to do what Atletico well against us, then basically just sit deep and defend in numbers, that's the main way they frustrated us.

However, then you'll have to abandon whatever notion you have that you "play better football" than us in order to do so.

 

Juve is no less tired than what roma is right now. We are missing a couple of important players as well but managed to have cover for them...Pirlo, Barzagli, Caceres now with a dislocated shoulder...Vidal doesn't look match fit.

You want to beat Juve? It is simple...press them hard and attack them out wide. This is what CL teams do, it exposes us every time. Pushes the CBs out wide into uncomfortable positions, it puts pressure on the wing backs and stops Lich and Evra/Asamoah from being able to offer an creativity in that final third. It makes us try to attack through the middle where you have a bunch of players trying to create something in a congested area, none of which have brilliant creativity abilities anyway. And then just sit one of your CBs on Llorente's arse and you basically win.

 

This is just silly. I'm sure the managers in Italy watch the games of Juve just as we do and they are better then us at analyzing the games. If it was this easy every manager in Italy would do it and win against us.

 

Too bad we won't have De Rossi and Strootman...if we talk about size and physical. Bonucci to irritate Totti all game is a guarantee and Chiellini to flop around like fish out of water...and cry.

 

Looks like De Sanctis will miss this match and now as I have been predicting would happen, it appears Nainggolan is a doubt due to a contusion.

If Nainggolan doesn't make it, Garcia will be forced into a 4-2-3-1 with Pjanic and Keita as holding midfielders or to start Paredes/Emanuelson.

DISASTER.

 

According to the official website only Maicon and De Sanctis missed regular training today and had physiotherapy instead (plus the other injured players from before). No mention of Nainggolan being injured or in doubt.

 

TRIGORIA - In grupppo Uçan. Out De Sanctis, Nainggolan, Castan e De Rossi. Lavoro personalizzato per Maicon

http://www.vocegiallorossa.it/primo...-de-sanctis-nainggolan-castan-e-de-rossi-lavoro-personalizzato-per-maicon-77155

http://www.corrieredellosport.it/ca...io/serie_a/roma/2014/10/03-378803/Nainggolan:+«La+Roma+gioca+meglio+della+Juve»

CdS thinks he will make it thankfully.

 

Don't we have a 0-13 aggregate at Juventus stadium?

 

Ninja has probably been our most important player this season so far. Just so damn effective in so many damn aspects of the game.

 

They won La Liga and were CL finalists...surely that merits opinions of Atletico being one of the best in Europe.

 

You would think, but their tactics are so negative and anti-football that i find it very difficult to respect their achievements.

You can't question their efficacy and results, but if every team decided to play this negatively they'd probably be able to achieve the same kind of results to varying degrees given the caliber of players they put the system. Simeone hasn't reinvented football, he's just doubled down on playing very defensively and attacking occasionally, and being very good and opportunistic at set pieces. And he's managed to get the balance right.

It works, it's just not very inspiring and i certainly can't put them in the same bracket as great teams like Bayern Munich under Heynckes, or Real Madrid under Del Bosque or Juve under Lippi.

They're like Chelsea under Di Matteo, not all successful teams are created equal.

And what i think is most disappointing, is they do actually have a very talented team, one that could play much better football than they do under Simeone. But he's sort of in the same mold as Mourinho, he's not really interested in getting the best out of the group of players he has, he just wants to use a system which will get him results through cynical tactics.

I mean let's be honest, if Cantona was making his joga bonita ads with Nike nowadays, the epitome of what he would be striving against is what Atletico represents in spades.

And i'm a pragmatist and don't believe in playing style being the most important thing, but there has to be some sense of balance. At the end of the day, this is a spectator sport.

 

Understand your analysis Nero, but IMO Conte shared the same philosophy as Simeone and Mourinho last year and was massively successful. Juve were relentless in their pressing, tenacious in midfield, ruthlessly efficient in attack, all while being very conservative in defense. It wasn't very pretty. But it worked wonders in the league. Not so much in CL for a variety different reasons. But to recognize Juve's success last year while turning your nose up at Atletico is a bit hypocritical.

 

My recipe was my opinion.

 

@angelomangiante: #JuveRoma Form Ufficiale Skorupski, Maicon, Manolas, Yanga Mbiwa, Holebas, Pjanic, Keita, Nainggolan, Iturbe, Totti, Gervinho. #SkySerieA

 

Forza Roma ! :fero:

 

Confirmed formation

 

Ultra attacking formation :scared:

 

It can also work as Ultra Counter attacking formation, but I know what you mean. :neutral:

 

This is the same thing that happened when we faced milan at san siro, totti shot the free kick..sheva did the same as maicon.no penalty was given to us, and we lost the scudetto in 2004.

now same situation they give pk to juve..


vintage juve/milan..

 

1 - 1 King totti !

 

This is the first time I have had to miss a match, but just following on my phone has been intense lol.

 

Yes :musik:
What a goal! Gervi>Iturbe roud:

 

That's a 30million goal, well done Sabbatini!!

 

Freaking rube...

 

Two questionable penalties. Wow. Can they score in open play?

 

Well done Juve on another bought scudetto FFS

 

What a joke. I feel for you guys.

 

Status quo dirty BS every time from this corrupt hell hole of a league.