When you score 68 international goals in 62 matches you automatically become the greatest goal scorer. 14 goals in 2 world cups, 1 world cup and 1 Euro championship helps. He did not have a lousy club career either. Muller it is.

 

What about when someone scores 84 international goals in 85 matches
or when someone scores 75 goals in 68 international match went to the finals and lost in an upset to GERMANY and won the olympics and the only reason they didn't win a euro was b/c it wasn't founded at that time?....What does that make them... one possibly has the greatest left footer shot of all time while the other is possibly the best header of all time

 

Well, Im not sure that the Greatest Striker Ever has to necessarily come out of this "duel", but I do consider Müller as the greatest striker ever, so thats my vote.

 

Erm, did "we" even settle that Romario was the greatest of his era?

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=7769

(Note that Homesmoina has voted for Van Basten in the above poll).

 

http://www.xtratime.org/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=7585

 

Indeed there are several other great strikers aside these 2. For me though Muller is probably the best.

 

as a footballer gerd muller can only dream of having romario's ball control, dribble, leadership, speed, longevity. as goalscorers i would say they are equal

 

gerd müller won 3 europeanchampioncups in 6 attemts....this is 50 % rate.....in this 6 attemsts he was 4 times topscorer (record in eurochampionscup history )....1976 jupp heynckes was topscorer with 6 goals in 6 games...gerd müller was behind him with 5 goals in 6 games..however gerd müller was recalled against st.eitiene in this final wrongfully a potentional gamewinning goal in minute 2 of the game where has cost him more fame and where has cost him 5 topscorer titles in row eurochampionscup, bayern won 1:0...he scored 2 goals in final 1974 and hit with a header the post same game, he has assistet with a pass a hoeness goalchance , hoeness missing with a shot the open goal ..... he scored 1 goal in final 1975 where has sealed the win playing in midfield (yes in midfield and not striker) and he indirectly as contributed with a 20 yard pass the first goal too, bayern munich won 2:0.......gerd müller won the intercontinetal cup 1976 scoring the 1:0 at home and with a dummy (tricky movement) indirectly has contributed for the 2:0, scored from kapelmann...the game in brasil against cruzeiro has ended 0:0..so müllers goal and actions was crucial as well..1974 and 1975 bayern munich didnt play intercontinentalcup games (club desicion)wasting possible more club fame......

romaro has scored 20 goals in 32 games, twice topscorer in 6 attemts, not winning the cup once,not scoring a goal in his only final, in a season he has scored in 10 games only 2 goals.......

gerd müller has scored 35 goals in 35 games and he is the only player with a 1:00 goal per game in ec games......

romario only can dream of müllers titles,impact if matters most , consistency and records in international clubfootball.......

here his 2 goals final 1974.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yR7WdA0Ozak

romario was equal in goalscoring.....very intresting...

 

romario had better ball control, was faster, skilful and had more class to finish. muller was better in the air and had a killer instinct as good as romário´s or even better. well, for me, romario. the most effective striker I´ve ever seen, most fun to watch and , IMO, he didn´t depend too much to his teammates to score, he could create his own goals. that´s why he leaded brazil to the glory in WC94, even with midfielders like mazinho and zinho.

 

Romario was definitely not faster, or at least not for most of his career he wasnt..maybe early on.One of the things i was surprised about Muller when i started checking out more and more of him was his pace.He could explode from 25-30 yards out to the goalline very quickly.

imo muller was better, though i'd rather watch Romario because he had more finesse in his shots.Its a bit like a Signori vs Suker comparison for me in that respect.

 

Man, romario was really fast from 25-30 yards out to the goalline, faster than muller. he became slow only after his 32 years old.

 

Romario played one and a half season at Barca, but he also played for almost a year at Valencia (two half seasons), therefore I've included the seasons from the years he spent in Spain. My point is that you can't put most of the emphasis on goal average to judge strikers, as the strikers who are being judged, might have had different working conditions.

About Ronaldo, half of his goals in the 98/99 season were on penalties. But from 95-2000, it was not as hard to score more than 20 goals per season in Serie A, as it had been from 85-95. Teams were not as cautious anymore. Much of it has to do with gaining only 2 points for a win until the 94/95 season.

I like Romario, I think he was a great player. I'm not passing a judgement on him as a player or goalscorer. I'm just stating that goal average alone does not prove how lethal a striker is. You have to take some factors into consideration, when looking at goal average.

On Ronaldo again, 17 of his 39 goals in his first two seasons at Inter were from penalties. Thats 43.5%. Statistics don't tell the whole story.

 

Wait just a minute:neutral:.Eusebio is the greatest striker off all time.

 

 

Haven't seen Eusebio or Muller, so here goes my ranking:

1. Romario
2. Ronaldo
3. van Basten

 

Agree with pele10.

 

So Ze, what are your favourite performances of Gerd?

 

I think the England x Germany game in 1970 was pretty good.... also the Germany x Italy semi final


What about you? What are you favourites of him?

Harokin, the question goes to you too.

And cam, do you think Gerd Muller was better than Romario in dribbbling, ball control, speed and all the other items I pointed out in my first post?

Please give us a through answer, it will be greatly appreciated

add some of your favourite videos also

 

You're a World Football Forum poster to your bone Ze. Stay there, stop shitting this forum up with your ridiculously biased opinions. This forum sorely needs a proper FM to purge twats like you.

I have only seen Romario play at the 1994 World Cup. I've only seen higlights of Muller & so am not fit to comment on him

 

I agree that as for behavior Romario was a flop and he was not a leader in the classic sense. He played for himself but in that regard he was phenomenal. Give him a play and he scores. Simple as that

 

the question is who is the best striker, which to me englobes everything, not jsut the poaching.

Therefore for me it is Romario.

and Romario hardly stood in the bench in europe. Perhaps his last 6 months in Barcelona when he already wanted to return home and forced his exit, despite the reluctance of Johan Cruyff.... but as he wanted to go back really bad to brazil, he let him go.

and yes, romario was a leader. A guy who put the responsibility upon him most of the times, and he normally accomplished most of the times.

 

And Romario hardly stood in the bench in europe. Perhaps his last 6 months in Barcelona when he already wanted to return home and forced his exit, despite the reluctance of Johan Cruyff.... but as he wanted to go back really bad to brazil, he let him go.

and yes, romario was a leader. A guy who put the responsibility upon him most of the times, and he normally accomplished most of the times.

Yeah, Romario wanted to return home so badly he was back in Spain in a year for more douchebaggery in Valencia.

Don't really understand the definition of leadership. Doesn't every top player have that same leadership? When everyone else's skill level fails, the top player takes the bull by the horns and makes that one move that decides a game.

As for a Muller's best of, don't have any. I'm not much for hero worship. I'd rather watch collective play and the larger picture.

so i don't know why you are talking about being BIASED??:rollani::wallbang:

Hey, no one ever said you didn't actually believe in all the crap you post. :smileani: But it's pretty hard to take you seriously even if you happened to have a point once a year when the rest of the time you act like the chairman of the Brazilian football advertisement agency. The CBF should definately hire you, if Brazilian football wasn't already filled to the brim with guys like you.

 

Harokin would make a good candidate or Kajoo for that matter.

 

Kajoo or El Lobo... Harokin has no clue with all due respect.

 

Harokin is one of the most rational poster in XT dont be silly. Lobo is too nice to be a strict FM like N4L or NG.

 

well...

i don't know why we are arguing this here, after all, i din't troll anyone here and jsut asked the same question the pseudo troll asked me, after i legitimatly answered him. :wallbang:

 

****sake son. How old are you? How many Mullers games have you seen before deciding that Brazilian X was better than him? What games? How did you see them?

I've told you plenty times why I think you are biased. You countered with a thread about Kaka. As I said, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Unlike you, I've never claimed to add anything to History of Football. Because I'm honest enough to keep away from commenting on players I have not seen enough of to judge. I used to find this forum utterly fascinating to read but you, BigMatthew & other trolls have done nothing more than turn it into a puddle of shit. And so I'll keep trolling you until you piss off with your pro-Brazil pish to the WFF where it belongs.

 

I don't want to ignore you. Your predictability is too funny man.

 

Sandor Kocsis, Puskas, Spencer, Artime, Romario, and a few more were better targetmen than Mueller... imo of course BUT in terms of making the most of his chances I think Mueller was the best ... always making the most of his opportunity

 

Puskas was not a target man in any sense.

 

Guys.. you should do the best strikers for every decade.. like top 5 for every decade or the best in the 1st half and second half since the 1930's and get the best overall for the entire decade.... idk just an idea

its kinda hard to really say who was better when they played in different eras.. but you can always compare people who played in the same eras

 

btw, that first game of Romario for Brazil was the only game that he had for us from teh period of December 16th 92 up until June 94. So he din't have any game rythm with his other team mates....

the last time he had started a game for Brazil was against France in August 92.



ALso, the first game you put of Gerd MUller, was a 9-0 trashing against some tennis club. Can you post his games against better opposition?

 

ALso, the first game you put of Gerd MUller, was a 9-0 trashing against some tennis club. Can you post his games against better opposition?

there was the argumentation müller has lacked ball control...yes it was a trashing, this club was 17th ranked of 18 clubs and relegated in the second division...however müllers action and class in finishing shown in this video has nothing to do in all with that...i have postet some other videos too where the class of the opponents are unquestioned....

in 427 bundesliga games of müller there was only 2 games where bayern munich did score more than 7 goals...this 9:0 game where müller has scored more than 50% of his team goals and a 11:1 trahing of dortmund 1971.....however this tennis club you sarcastic mentioned has beaten bayern munich at home 3:1 same season,müller not playing this game..this confirm how beatable bayern munich was without müller..
this was the upset of the week..and in this season bayern munich was 2th ranked in bundesliga up to week 19 with gerd müller in team,the next 9 games without müller (back surgery )bayern munich fell from position 2th to postion 10th, 5 defeats,2 draws and only 2 victorys...scoring only unbeliavable low 5 goals in 9 bundesliga games...bayern was olso eliminated without müller in german cup 4:2 defeat in berlin and was eliminated in eurochampionscup against kiew (1:0 win at home and 2:0 defeat in kiew, rummenigge wasting a big goalchance the goalscores was 0:0)...

müller returned in team 3 months later was welcomed with emty hands ...

finally....bayern munich in 12 games without müller season 1976/77has scored 8 goals...1 goal lesser than the one single game against this (tennisclub, lol) where gerd müller has scored 5 goals..

if gerd müller was held scoreless he still has drawn defenders, so his teamates got often more space in goalsscoring chances or scoring goals...if gerd müller wasnt in the team the pressure was on the other forwards..rummenigge has scored 10 goals in the first 17 bundesliga games with müller in team in season 1976/77, but later in his 11 games (national,international)he did play without injured müller he was held scoreless,hoeness in 8 games he has played without müller was held scoreless too..the opponent defenders was foccused now more on this players and the pressure was higher ....

if you check barcas and romarios season in la liga 1993/94 so you see in romarios FIRST SEASON , barca trashing osasuna 8:1, romario scoring 3 goals and barca beating the same team away 3:2 , romario scoring 2 goals...osasuna was ranked 20th of 20 teams in la liga in season 1993/94 and relegated......

you are smart, arent you??