1. Galliani and co. should just get the fvck out if Milan sold.

How much was the figure of the Inter sale? Edit: Found it from Forbes:
Inter Milan Sells 70% Stake To Indonesia's Erick Thohir At $480M Valuation (250m Euros at the time)...

500m for 51% of this Milan is too much

 

Pippo is a going. Either now or at the end of the season. Dont realy matter anymore since we cant be relegated.

The big issue for me is the sale of the club. It seems as though this time its for real. I have mixed feelings regarding that. On one hand i want a fresh start for Milan and at the same time i want it to be someone who can take us to the hights that we reached under Berlusconis first 20 years or so. The thai dont seem to have the cash that man c or psg owners have for instance. This makes me worried. I dont want us to permanently fall into the category of Liverpool or Roma which we will without major cash. On the other hand, i have to say its pretty impressive for a 39 year old to come and buy Milan for over 1 billion euros without actually having the money him self. That to me signals curage. Maybe he has a Grand vision for Milan. I dont know. I hope so.

 

He is backed by many including some Chinese, not really about his personal net worth. But if you are expecting PSG type it is 99.999% you will be disappointed, even 100%.

 

I think we have to wait& see based on reports Mr Bee may be acting for others who may have some money behind them or the other people may also be pretty cashed up.

As long as it's a new direction& to a new better future I'm all for it.

 

It seems like Pippo will indeed stay. I got nothing against it as long as he leaves at the end of the season.

 

I expect Berlu to announce today that he refused the sale after Bee failed the dental portion of his medical.

 

Yeah, probably we cant compete with the likes of ManC and PSG as well as Barca, Real, ManU, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bayern ... with the new owners that are being mentioned.

The good thing is, that we will be fighting with Inter for the Europa League constantly

Why? Are all the teams above us way ahead of us? No ****ing way. Despite all this I still believe that the Milan name has a lot of pull, as soon as the farce ends and some funds arrive we'll be up there.

Today's Barca, Real, Bayern are really ****ing good, there is no need to compare us to them. Chelsea are very good too but the rest? Not impossible in 3-4 years.

 

Yeah, probably we cant compete with the likes of ManC and PSG as well as Barca, Real, ManU, Chelsea, Arsenal, Bayern ... with the new owners that are being mentioned.

The good thing is, that we will be fighting with Inter for the Europa League constantly

 

I don't think we'll be competing for a domestic title for quite a number of years still and I'm also not convinced of Bee's financial muscle.

Aside from New players (which is obvious) Milan needs more investment on a structural level. The coaching, training and scouting could all use revamps but most of all the medical lab which appears to have failed us on numerous occosians.

What makes me nervous is that we know nothing about this Mr. Bee guy and I'm worried this could turn in to another Parma situation.

 

Why today?

Anyway, no sense in firing the coach at this point. Should have been several months ago. Now it would be just to punish him, and that would just be a waste of money, and I guess at least I still like Pippo as the Milan legend he is.

I also share canzano's worries about a new ownership. I doubt we're attracting the top dogs at the moment, but I guess it's a leap of faith we'll eventually have to make.

 

So nothing happened today, as so many times with this club. Status quo remains.

I understand your concerns, but really the club is heading downhill and there are no indications that Berlusconi or Galliani can or want to fix the problems. None what so ever. But at least with a new owner there is potential or hope that something can happen.

We don't know who Bee is, why he wants Milan nor what his plans are. But we all are too familiar with B&G, I'm at least fed up with tve clowns.

 

Why D-day? What did I miss?

 

Announcement of a sale was supposed to come today, didn't. Still likely before Napoli game.

 

Football italia:

Reports are that Silvio Berlusconi’s talks with Bee Taechaubol over a majority share sale in Milan are not so certain to go through.
The duo held negotiations through yesterday without reaching a definitive conclusion, reportedly to the irritation of the Thai investor.
Expectation is that the pair will resume talks today, for the transfer of a 51 per cent share in the Rossoneri, but even with it believed that Berlusconi has also signed a pre-contract agreeing to the sale, there are doubts over the deal’s completion.
A number of outlets are suggesting he and Milan’s parent company Fininvest hold reservations over the financial aspects to Taechaubol’s offer.
With Taechaubol quoted as hinting to reporters yesterday that talks today may not happen, it is assumed by the Gazzetta dello Sport among others that Berlusconi is reluctant to enter into a deal for just a 51 per cent transfer.

Berlusconi is reportedly more keen to sell 75 per cent of the club, to avoid a situation where he would remain heavily responsible from a financial viewpoint.
La Gazzetta dello Sport also reports of him repeatedly telling his entourage that he is making this decision ‘with an extremely heavy heart’, whilst La Repubblica are also running quotes attributed to the current owner: “I can't walk out of this as a loser, I can't sell as long as the supporters are against me.”
Another sticking point to the talks is apparently the corporate structure of the company afterwards - Berlusconi is expected to stay on as honorary President, daughter Barbara Berlusconi may also maintain her current role, whilst Adriano Galliani is expected to remain at least as a ‘ferryman’ between the two majority owners, but these are roles yet to be defined.
Both the Gazzetta dello Sport and Tuttosport conclude that delays may also be in light of the continued presence of the Chinese consortium of potential investors led by Richard Lee.

 

The deadline is midnight. So we will hear something in a couple of hours.

 

I'll be surprised if this goes through.

 

XT ownership and Milan forum mods choices are also holding the deal up..... Seriously though, something will happen, it's too far into the process. The question is how good is it, stuff like bringing in Falcao seem self serving for the investors rather than creating a team and plan.

 

So, curious, but there isn't much about this Thai guy online other than the fact that he's trying for Milan and that he was blacklisted by the SEC a few years ago.

Seems... suspicious.

Anyone know what other investors are behind him?

 

No one knows exactly but names are:
Doyen Sports: Agency with some rights to players like Falcao
ADS Securities: Banking operations in Abu Dhabi
Other private Singapore and Chinese investors supposedly

 

These guys know nothing of football. . . The only thing that matters is who they will hire to actually spend the money. If they appoint Maldini as our director and tell him to build a new team, cool. If they simply leave Galliani in charge and give him slightly more money to work with, expect the same problems to continue.

 

I'm tired of Galliani as well but to be fair to him he's had to work with nothing in terms of resources.

The mercenary contracts he dolled out to useless players is inexcusable but we can't forget that he managed to obtain Zlatan from Barca for a bargain less than 5 years ago.

 

And now reports of Mr. Bee not willing or ready to let anyone go. So he will confirm Galliani to continue. Well... ?

 

Silvio's last big stand: "I can't leave a loser, I can't sell with the fans against me"
Just brilliant untill you love me again i wont sell hahahah

 

Is that for real?

 

Yeah, I have to be a little skeptic with some of the enthusiasm surrounding possibilities like Maldini as director of football and stuff like that -- he might turn out great, but he might as well not. I'm sick of Galliani, but more than anything I'm sick of the lack of ambition and results. I just want us to get great people who work with great resources. Call me spoiled, but this is A.C. ****ing Milan.

 

So if we get a new owner who is backaged by Doylen sports and the Abu Dhabi bank and he faults on the repayments. Does that mean Abu Dhabi bank just might end up owning Milan lol.

 

Just read the latest reports stat that we have a 70-100million transfer kitty not counting the 2 year loans we will be getting from Dyolen Sport. Brahimi,some kid from Sao Paulo etc. Aaah I hope its true theres nothing worse then a rich person becoming poor and not knowing how to ration properly thats what we Milan management&fans have had to go through.

Ps. Its kinda sad to have required new owners to bring about being excited about Milan again. Silvio even though ill always remember this struggle did alot for Milan so in the spirit to not remembering the good in a person I thank him for all he has done. Now on to the future.

 

Just read the latest reports stat that we have a 70-100million transfer kitty not counting the 2 year loans we will be getting from Dyolen Sport. Brahimi,some kid from Sao Paulo etc.

Where does this 70-100million come from? Mr. Bee definitely does NOT have the money. Is it the loan from Doyen and Mr Bee's other backers?

Doyen is not in this business for charity. As a broker, Mr. Bee is not bidding Milan because he loves Milan. They all want to make money out of this investment and they surely see the potentials/areas to get their profits out of Milan.

Regarding the money Mr. Bee & Doyen will "give" to Milan. 1. It will be LOAN and need to be paid back with interest. IF Milan fails to pay the loan installment on time, Doyen and Mr. Bee will take the economic rights of the players we have bought.

Just like it did with Atletico Madrid regarding Falcao's transfer. For every installment that would not be paid, the Doyen Sports Investements would take one third of the economic rights of Falcao.

2. Doyen plus Mr. Bee & Co will run the show in Milan management. As a investor of a rare product, i.e. star footballer, it needs to sell its players to highest offer. The more often its players get transferred, the more money Doyen, probably also Mr. Bee & Co, will get.

Milan can NOT stop them. Neither the Doyen player himself nor the coach can stop them. The real show Master is Doyen, Mr. Bee & Co. That is exact how it happened with Falcao and Atl. Madrid.

"After a fantastic first season in Spain, the Colombian agreed to join Chelsea but changed his mind and opted to stay in Madrid following pleas from coach Diego Simeone and the board. As a reward for his loyalty, the Colombian was promised a chunk of his release clause, which was lowered, so when he was sold for €60m last summer, only €45m was actually paid by Monaco to Atleti, with the remainder paid to the player himself.

Atletico, then, only made €5m on their initial investment of €40m. In reality, however, they could have made even less because the extra cash may have been paid to Doyen, whose third-party investment in the player meant they were entitled to more than the €22m lent to Atletico for the purpose of signing Falcao in the summer of 2011.

With Falcao gone, Atletico paid Porto another instalment in the summer (of around €7m) and still owe the Portuguese side in the region of €5m, with the final part set to be paid next year - more than 12 months after his exit."

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3277...12/19/4489797/the-falcao-factor-how-third-parties-gatecrash-footballs-transfer-

When Sporting Lisbon refused to sell Marco Rojo, of whom Doyen owned 75%, he went on strike by refusing to go on training.

Same can happen with Milan too. We could end up with NOT owning the players in real a sense as we do today and with a large amount of loan plus interest. The hefty transfer fee will mainly go to Doyen, and probably Mr. Bee & Co, should they set up a investment company aka Peter Lim with his Meriton Capital or join Doyen secretly to share the spoils


(Re-post my answer to a similar question.)

 

Basing on information available on internet, here is a reality check on some Asian owners and European football clubs:

- Racing Santander, La Liga: its Bahrain based Indian tycoon Ahsan Ali Syed, with a fortune estimated around $8 billion and co-founder of Western Gulf Advisory (an asset management/investment company), simply disappeared after much fanfare of buying Racing Santander.

The players were not paid and refused to play the second leg of Cup match.

Con-man of a loan scam? Or sugar daddy? He tried but failed to buy Blackburn, boasted to bring RS to challenge Real Madrid and Barca. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ticle-1367286/Racing-Santander-owner-Ahsan-Ali-Syed-spotlight--Pete-Jenson.html.

In 2014 Switzerland issued an arrest warrant for Ahsan Ali Syed over charges of fraud and money laundering in relation to Western Gulf Advisory.

(Btw, Mr. Bee's best pal Pablo Victor Dana is a Director of Asset Management for a company called Twenty Two Investment Ltd., same type of business as Ahsan Ali Syed. He is rumoured to be a potential CEO/CFO of Milan.)

RS relegated from 1st Division to 2nd D and then to 3D.


- Birmingham City, EPL: Carson Yeung, a ex-Hong Kong hairdresser-turned-Birmingham City owner, was sentenced for six years in March, 2014 for money-laundering in the range of HK$ 720 million. (Case details in Chinese: http://money.163.com/keywords/6/6/67685bb68bda/1.html.)

He bought the club in July, 2007 via Hong Kong Stock Exchange (SEHK)-listed company Grandtop International Holdings Limited (GIH).

(Internet rumours says our new owners proposing to list Milan also on SEHK?)

The club was relegated from the EPL in 2011 to England's third tier.


- Blackburn Rovers, EPL: bought in November, 2010 by Indian poultry firm Venky's for 23 million pounds. Under the new ownership, Venky’s was voted by fans as the worst owners in the English league, the club was relegated in 2012. By 2015, it has had a £30 million written off the estimated value of players, and £83 million drop in shareholder value since 2011.

http://www.roverstrust.com/2015/01/...015/01/19/blackburn-rovers-accounts-reveal-true-financial-horror-venkys-regime/


-Cardiff City, EPL: purchased 30% of the club in May 2010 by Malaysian tycoon Vincent Tan with a consortium of Malaysian investors. His net worth is estimated around US$1.3 billion and his business include gambling. He angered "the fans of Welsh club Cardiff City, nicknamed "the Bluebirds", when he changed their kit colour from blue to red, saying it was a luckier colour." (2015 the colour is reversed back to its original blue.)

This is not all. In October 2013, Tan suspended the club's head of recruitment for overspending by £15 million during the summer transfer window, and replaced him by Alisher Apsalyamovby, a 23-year-old Kazakh who was previously on work experience with the club and is a friend of Tan's son for a few months.

It is said he has spent £140 million in his four year ownership. After 51-year the club was promoted to EPL in 2013, Tan publicly stated his interest in listing his 36.1% stake on the Kuala Lumpur Stock Exchange (KLSE) apart from promised spending of £25 million. The public offering (IPO) "hit aregulatory snag over the team's weak cash flow."

End of 2013/14, Cardiff was relegated.

Tan owns Bosnian club FK Sarajevo.


- Queens Park Rangers, EPL: Malaysian airline entrepreneur Tony Fernandes became is the majority owner of the club after bought off Bernie Ecclestone's 66% stake for around £35m. (Indian billionaire steel magnate Lakshmi Mittal owns a 30% stake in the club. A toy for his son-in-law.)

So far money has been spent, great results (champions) have not arrived, and chaotic from previous era under Flavio Briatore stewardship remains.

 

Nice research, but needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. I do share the worries about the unknown, but still.

1) None of these teams have Milan's stature. Racing de Santander, QPR or Cardiff City haven't won anything at the top level in decades, if ever. It's a whole different level of difficulty to create a winning team and good business model with decent revenue from teams used to fight against relegation at best than to do it with the most winning club in the world and one of the most recognizable brands in global sports.

2) Most of the "Middle East" is Asia. Unless you mean "Asian" as in ethnicity (which IMO is a risky step to take to say the least), in fact you should include Manchester City and PSG here, along with other successful cases like Malaga.