Roma 1-1 2-2 3-3 1-0 2-0 3-0 2-1 3-1 3-2
Lyon 1-0 2-0 3-0 2-1 3-1 3-2

for go to next round

 

I did not see the game, but i would not change the formation. I would leave Totti up front and work from there.

 

I did not see the game, but i would not change the formation. I would leave Totti up front and work from there.

Possibly if Mancini and Taddei are in some form next game... but the realism is that Mancini and Taddei are not really playing too well which means that playing Totti upfront without any creation behind him leaves us a bit lightweight. At least with Vucinic in attack, even if he sucks in a game, he is powerful and he always takes defenders with him and works extremely hard. I would consider Totti in a deeper role, but still playing Perrotta in a widish role (like for Italy) as I would still be careful for this match. However as I said if Mancini and taddei regain some form or Wilhelmsson plays with a rocket up his arse in Serie A I wouldnt mind keeping the same formation as away from home it may work. More than just formations its about team cohesion and decisivness on an individuals part and that didnt happen in the attack today. Panucci was our outlet and he sucked everytime he got the ball... if he wasnt so strong for our defence I would have even considered entering Cassetti on the right after 70 minutes in the 1st leg.

 

Shit, i was going to say put Tavano out wide in Taddei's spot but he cant play in the CL.

I still think we should just focus on defense and hope we have enough balls to make a breakthrough, Im pretty mad we couldnt score at home...Although by our CL history is we did we probably would of given up a few also.

 

I think 0-0 at home in the 1st leg is never the worst result... 1st legs are always tight and you know damn well that an away goal gives us at least a chance.

 

Of course, id probably be sulking not even on here if we had lost. But you know what im saying, we are a club that can score goals when we are giving them up and somehow not be able to score when we shut down the other team.

But i dont think Lyon are unbeatable, and we are actually a better away side in my opinion.

 

8 yellow for Roma players?:stress:
Good result for you guys, tough job in perspective for you guys, but not impossible. But you better show more football than you did tonight which was a bore feast of fouls...:groan:

 

Well that will depend on Lyon as well i believe.

 

The reason Roma was able to compete was because they had one forward. Come on Deano, that formation will get killed.

 

The reason Roma was able to compete was because they had one forward. Come on Deano, that formation will get killed.

Not really because in the current formation Perrotta doesnt defend that much.

 

you shouldnt play totti as your forward, even if you cant play tavano. there`s still vucinic or move one of perrotta or taddei upfront.

 

Not really because in the current formation Perrotta doesnt defend that much.

He's still there though and does pressure the opponent. It is definately felt that Roma has a 5-man midfield.

Secondly, you're taking off a winger and keeping Perrotta who, let's face it, does not have the quality to contribute offensively from the wing in the CL, or from the centre for that matter but at least he is quick to pressure.

why do i waste my time so much?

 

I wish Tavano wasn't cup tied, he could have been very useful.

Hopefully Mancini and Taddei can pick up their form before the return leg.

 

He's still there though and does pressure the opponent. It is definately felt that Roma has a 5-man midfield.

Secondly, you're taking off a winger and keeping Perrotta who, let's face it, does not have the quality to contribute offensively from the wing in the CL, or from the centre for that matter but at least he is quick to pressure.

why do i waste my time so much?

Perrotta played a whole World Cup successfully in the formation I proposed and in the position I offered aswell.... its not as if I ask him to be a traditional winger, just a midfielder who plays from the side but makes runs alot where he can cut in, just like he did for Italy... its damn difficult to defend, especially when there is also a striker on the pitch in Vucinic. I am not asking for the formation to be changed, if we go in with the same formation then fine, but right now my team doesnt have less defence than the current one where Perrotta, Taddei and Mancini do not really defend so much, but they maybe track back. Its not as if im asking for a Barca like team where Messi and Ronaldinho just let their opponents walk into space on the sides. We need alot more than in this game and if Taddei and Mancini do not recover form, I do not know how the current formation can work without them being in form.

Waste of time? I bring evidence of perrotta's ability in the position and evidence of why this formation can work, all you have said to me so far is saying we should be scared of Lyon which is exactly what will put us out of this competition. FORZA ROMA SEMPRE! AVANTI AVANTI!

 

I wish Spalletti would start Vucinic and move Totti back to trequartista for this match, but its not gonna happen. Lyon is going to come out attacking and we're going to sit back, play defensively and try to score on the counter attack.

I just wish Wilhelmsson would start over Taddei. Rodrigo has been out of form for while now.

 

I wish Spalletti would start Vucinic and move Totti back to trequartista for this match, but its not gonna happen. Lyon is going to come out attacking and we're going to sit back, play defensively and try to score on the counter attack.

I just wish Wilhelmsson would start over Taddei. Rodrigo has been out of form for while now.

Same here :thumbsup: Come on Spalletti, let go of our formation, surprise Lyon:hopefull:

 

we all want the same formation but spalletti wont change his mind .

 

I wish Spalletti would start Vucinic and move Totti back to trequartista for this match, but its not gonna happen. Lyon is going to come out attacking and we're going to sit back, play defensively and try to score on the counter attack.

I just wish Wilhelmsson would start over Taddei. Rodrigo has been out of form for while now.

Taddei in his poorest of forms is still more useful in a big match up than Wilhemsson is.

Deano, maybe you should watch the game again. To say that losing Perrotta and putting on a forward will have no defensive or midfield reprocussions is ridiculous. I'm saying I'm wasting my time because of people who don't see tactical things, even the more basic ones. Roma isn't better than Lyon man for man in midfield, and they will get killed with that little thing called Pizarro as one of 4 midfielders, which also includes 2 wingers who don't defend much.

The solution is to play like last game but be more vigilant with the ball. Wingers must get involved more and so does De Rossi. The solution isn't for the manager to lose the game for his players before they even hit the pitch. Spaletti with a 4-5-1 will give his players the most chance to win and even to score a goal.

 

Hopefully our players we'll lose the stage fear they had last night, and maybe by now they realized Lyon are beatable just like anyother team.

I don't have high hopes but I’ll be satisfied if we gain some confidence and show Europe what we are capable of doing.

 

Taddei in his poorest of forms is still more useful in a big match up than Wilhemsson is.

Deano, maybe you should watch the game again. To say that losing Perrotta and putting on a forward will have no defensive or midfield reprocussions is ridiculous. I'm saying I'm wasting my time because of people who don't see tactical things, even the more basic ones. Roma isn't better than Lyon man for man in midfield, and they will get killed with that little thing called Pizarro as one of 4 midfielders, which also includes 2 wingers who don't defend much.

The solution is to play like last game but be more vigilant with the ball. Wingers must get involved more and so does De Rossi. The solution isn't for the manager to lose the game for his players before they even hit the pitch. Spaletti with a 4-5-1 will give his players the most chance to win and even to score a goal.

I'm not losing Perrotta, if anything Im losing a winger allowing Tonetto to maybe adventure more. Which means tactically we are still quite heavy int he midfield zone if not better with Perrotta more withdrawn. Its not as If Im asking for 2 forwards and Totti behind. Im asking for 1 forward, Totti behind and 1 wide player who tracks back.

If we come into this game with the frame of mind that Lyon man for man our better than us, we will lose because persoanlly I dont think they are. De Rossi alone is a stronger player than everyone of Lyon's midfield with Perrotta and Pizarro also being great players and possible match winners. We need Totti to be more involved and the only way that will happen is if he is more withdrawn and we have a pure target man ahead of him. My team is hardly different from the 451... all it was is Totti more withdrawn and Vucnic ahead with Perrotta and Mancini running from the midfield... more like a 4-4-1-1/ 4-2-3-1.

 

I think as someone already said that Spaletti should use his squad more effectively, and go to Lyon asking questions. The pressure is on Lyon, in front of their fans, expected to win, expected to attack. How Roma starts will dictate whether or not they can advance. U need someone to pressure their centre half. I'd play 4321.
Cerci, Panucci, Mexes, Chivu, Tonetto, Perrotta, De Rossi, Pizzaro, Totti, Mancini, Vucinic. Excuse misspellings or insertion of players injured.

 

To be honest, I don't understand where that faith in Vucinic comes from. It will be too much to ask of him to hand him a start in our biggest game of the season after he's barely featured in the team so far and have no real experience at this level.

Plus we need hard working midfielders to be able to cope with Lyon in the centre of the field. If we play Mancini, Totti and Vucinic at the same time, neither of which do much in defence, our midfied will be under enourmous pressure. We need Perrotta and Taddei's superb workrate.


What we need to change is not the formation IMO, it is to have better execution on offence, too many times on Wednesday we wasted good opportunities to build a dangerous attack by making uncharateristic mistakes in passing and poor decision making.

 

I'm not losing Perrotta, if anything Im losing a winger allowing Tonetto to maybe adventure more. Which means tactically we are still quite heavy int he midfield zone if not better with Perrotta more withdrawn. Its not as If Im asking for 2 forwards and Totti behind. Im asking for 1 forward, Totti behind and 1 wide player who tracks back.

If we come into this game with the frame of mind that Lyon man for man our better than us, we will lose because persoanlly I dont think they are. De Rossi alone is a stronger player than everyone of Lyon's midfield with Perrotta and Pizarro also being great players and possible match winners. We need Totti to be more involved and the only way that will happen is if he is more withdrawn and we have a pure target man ahead of him. My team is hardly different from the 451... all it was is Totti more withdrawn and Vucnic ahead with Perrotta and Mancini running from the midfield... more like a 4-4-1-1/ 4-2-3-1.

Failure to recognize that Perrotta and Pizarro are average midfield players, Perrotta being horrible at posession, will lose you the game. It's pretty simple. You can't go into a game by having the assessment of your players wrong which is such a basic thing that it will make you have the wrong mentality and make you lose the game.

Roma needs to come into this game with the mentality that they need numbers. They need the numbers in midfield for Lyon to send the ball through the air. With one winger, Perrotta being an iffy midfielder, and Pizarro being just about the weakest midfielder left in the CL, Roma will easily and sooner than later lose it's shape during the game. The team would become totally chaotic and Roma attacks and posessions would become scarcer and scarcer, which is putting your head in the guillotine in Lyon. Roma needs to keep structure and order to give themselves a chance to defend well, and attack well also. The structure also gives the spring board to counter.

This is my last post before the match in this thread. If you can't recognize how much Roma will lose it's shape with one winger and Perrotta, or get butchered with 2 and no Perrotta (leaving Pizzaro and DDR alone in mid), well, I'm sorry. I'm leaving so take it and understand or continue to think absent mindedly.

I'd just like you to keep in mind that Roma were the better side last day and that the score is still 0-0. Roma needs a draw. To take such a risk like you're proposing (it being a risk explained above) is useless when you need control of this match. Why risk? You would have a 10% chance of winning with that formation and 90% to lose. If you play like last time, you're assured to have control like last time, which is a GOOD thing isn't it? Did you watch the game? Having control lowers your chance of losing which is the only thing Roma need to avoid. And, please don't think I'm doing this because I'm a conservative Italian. This is the best way to score goals also.

 

Failure to recognize that Perrotta and Pizarro are average midfield players, Perrotta being horrible at posession, will lose you the game. It's pretty simple. You can't go into a game by having the assessment of your players wrong which is such a basic thing that it will make you have the wrong mentality and make you lose the game.

Roma needs to come into this game with the mentality that they need numbers. They need the numbers in midfield for Lyon to send the ball through the air. With one winger, Perrotta being an iffy midfielder, and Pizarro being just about the weakest midfielder left in the CL, Roma will easily and sooner than later lose it's shape during the game. The team would become totally chaotic and Roma attacks and posessions would become scarcer and scarcer, which is putting your head in the guillotine in Lyon. Roma needs to keep structure and order to give themselves a chance to defend well, and attack well also. The structure also gives the spring board to counter.

This is my last post before the match in this thread. If you can't recognize how much Roma will lose it's shape with one winger and Perrotta, or get butchered with 2 and no Perrotta (leaving Pizzaro and DDR alone in mid), well, I'm sorry. I'm leaving so take it and understand or continue to think absent mindedly.

I'd just like you to keep in mind that Roma were the better side last day and that the score is still 0-0. Roma needs a draw. To take such a risk like you're proposing (it being a risk explained above) is useless when you need control of this match. Why risk? You would have a 10% chance of winning with that formation and 90% to lose. If you play like last time, you're assured to have control like last time, which is a GOOD thing isn't it? Did you watch the game? Having control lowers your chance of losing which is the only thing Roma need to avoid. And, please don't think I'm doing this because I'm a conservative Italian. This is the best way to score goals also.

Pizarro is hardly an average midfielder while Perrotta is in the team to keep the balance and to make energy... would you say a trio of De Rossi-Pizarro and Perrotta is not at least on the level of Tiago, Juninho and whoever else will play in Toulolan's absence. The only real change in my team from what you propose if having a real striker instead of Taddei. IMO there is nothing wrong.. especially in an away game where we need a goal as more often than not the best chances are for the powerful type forwards like Vucinic. Also I feel we have a goal in us at Lyon and much more of a chance with a striker on the pitch. I am all for Spalletti;s current system normally, but in Lyon with a 4-3-2-1 sort of team (but not that exact) I have a belief we can be compact and also break for the goal.

However as I said already... its not just the decisions tactically which will win us this match, bu also as a team on the field and individually... Lyon could probably beat us no matter what we do where as this team could probably win with either mine or your formation as long as the circumstances go for us... this is football, its not numbers, its realism. Maybe we could start with the usual formation and enter Vucinic with 30 to go as normally subs are just as lethal as the starters in modern day football.

 

What we need to change is not the formation IMO, it is to have better execution on offence, too many times on Wednesday we wasted good opportunities to build a dangerous attack by making uncharateristic mistakes in passing and poor decision making.>>

:thumbsup:
Totti just needs that bit of creativity in front of him. But if he doesn't get it, do we just tinker with the players in the formation or the formation itself? That's the question. I don't think we can abandon what's been our glue since Spalletti came, the 4-2-3-1.

>>>I'm leaving so take it and understand or continue to think absent mindedly.>>>

...said Moses, as he comes down the mountain with two stone tablets. Tell us, what are the other nine Commandments, dear sir?