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Champions League Quarterfinals: Roma - Manchester United (1st leg - April 4, 2007)

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#1 ·
Roma - Manchester United....Stadio Olimpico....April 4, 2007....are you readyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??!

Had to start the thread now...wish it were April already! :lick:
 
#4 ·
I want someone to tell me about the yellow cards rule, half our players are risking suspension.

Is it like the WC where any 2 yellows in the knock-out stage mean one match suspension? or do the 2 yellow have to be in consecutive games?

I'm reading somewhere that it is 2 consecutive yellows or 3 separates. The poster is not sure though.
 
#5 ·
i think it is 3 separates, a player who collects 3 yellow cards in any matches inculdine group stage or knockout stage for example totti recieved a yellow card in olympiakos home game and another one in lyon's first leg[**** riley] so another yellow card means totti will be suspended .
 
#6 ·
Which is the worst rule ever

A player could receive 3 yellows in 12 matches and get suspended for the final which is insance

Especially considering how easily players get yellows nowadays.

They should be put into sections... 3 yellows in group stage or 3 yellows in knockout stages gets you suspended and maybe that 2 consecutive yellow rule.

Look at the World Cup... there are just 7 games if you are lucky enough and the rule is that 2 yellows in group stage means suspension or 2 yellows in knockout stage is suspension with no carry ons which is great! Makes for better finals and semis when important players dont miss the matches.
 
#7 ·
In the English papers Man Utd were handed a favourable tie against Roma

Lets prove these arses wrong... they dont even know half our team probably, which is more down to lack of knowledge than anything else :howler: FORZA!
 
#8 ·
Yeah the English press will expect a walk-over

and the only players they'll know anything about are probably Totti, De Rossi and Panucci

the ignorance in their media is spectacular

April 4th I'll be a Roma fan

and I really think Roma have the techincal skills and movement to cause United massive problems
 
#9 ·
red said:
Yeah the English press will expect a walk-over

and the only players they'll know anything about are probably Totti, De Rossi and Panucci

the ignorance in their media is spectacular

April 4th I'll be a Roma fan

and I really think Roma have the techincal skills and movement to cause United massive problems
Actually I dont think they have much clue of De Rossi, it will just be a case of that bloke who got sent off against USA for an elbow.

They will know more about Perrotta simply because he was born near Manchester and he played most of the World Cup.
 
#11 ·
I BELIEVE WE HAVE A CHANCE BUT IT IS A SLIGHT CHANCE. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, IF ROMA CAN WIN AT HOME 1-0 2-0 WE HAVE A GREAT SHOT!!! ANYTHING BESIDES THESE SCORES WE ARE IN TROUBLE AND I FEEL THAT WE WILL NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO SCORING IN OLD TRAFFORD!!!! A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF THIS GAME IS ROCKY VS DRAGO (ROMA VS MAN UTD). NOBODY GIVING US A SHOT HMMM VERY INTERESTING! FORZA ROMA SEMPRE E PER SEMPRE!!!!
 
#12 ·
Good luck guys, don't believe the hype from english papers. The Man United camp know Roma are a dangerous team and we are not favourites for this one. If its a 0-0 or a Roma win in the 1st leg then I see no way back for United unless we go gung-ho at old trafford which won't happen.

Good luck to everyone. :heart:
 
#14 ·
no its not. this is the toughest test we could have possibly have had. sure there CL form is crap but their top of the epl for a reason. the only reason why i wanted man u was because i thought they were the toughest of all of them. this should really test us. i want to see how much of a gap there is between us and the top of the top.
 
#15 ·
Personally I feared Chelsea and Valencia... I didnt want Man Utd, but I dont mind facing them even if they are faves. Its true if you look at their midfield we have some chance in this respect.
 
#18 ·
eyeofthetiger said:
It's stupid, but yes, people will expect Man U. to win hands down, the same way people thought Lyon would beat Roma hands down... well - what happened there!?
Roma will win: 2-1 over 2 legs hopefully.
You did, many didn't:smileani:

As for the match, hopefully for once in years United don't go for a tactical game, but go attacking style and with Romas style too, hopefully both games are a joy to watch.

Got to hate the transition that this United side has done in Europe: from having amazing 3-3 draws with Barca and proper attacking games during our pomp, to a defensive 451 shite (not a 433), that doesn't even give us possession.
 
#19 ·
Dean_Romano said:
Actually I dont think they have much clue of De Rossi, it will just be a case of that bloke who got sent off against USA for an elbow.

They will know more about Perrotta simply because he was born near Manchester and he played most of the World Cup.
that small town in which Perrotta was born ... Ashton U Lyne
I live there ;p
i wonder he was born in the hospital thats just next to ma colg ;p coz thats the only hospital round here lolzz
 
#20 ·
camelface said:
This is a great draw for Roma. If there's a team that Roma can beat it's this one. Man Utd has a horrible midfield that is a disgrace to English football since the team in first in the league.
wtf? Giggs, Ronaldo and Scholes are the 3 players Henry said he can't choose between for Player of The Year :neutral:
 
#22 · (Edited)
Is Okaka from football manager any good in real life?

Anyway... good luck, I hope you win it if we don't, not because you are playing the scum but because you play great football and your great captain deserves a CL medal.

I wonder why do you over-rate Man Utd or under-rate your selves? Playing the under-dog card maybe? I don't see what makes them much better then you I'd say Totti, De Rossi, Mexes, Mancini (Ronaldo move to the left) would all walk into their team imo and you could argue a few others as well. I think the teams are pretty evenly matched, I'd give Man Utd the slightest of edges.

Should be a good attacking game.
 
#23 ·
Drito said:
You did, many didn't:smileani:

As for the match, hopefully for once in years United don't go for a tactical game, but go attacking style and with Romas style too, hopefully both games are a joy to watch.

Got to hate the transition that this United side has done in Europe: from having amazing 3-3 draws with Barca and proper attacking games during our pomp, to a defensive 451 shite (not a 433), that doesn't even give us possession.
Come now, you know that's not true. I never thought Lyon would have Roma easily at all. I thought it'd be damn close.
 
#24 ·
If Utd play open and attacking it could be quite key for Roma as long as we can defend properly... we are perfect for counter situations.
 
#25 ·
Dean_Romano said:
If Utd play open and attacking it could be quite key for Roma as long as we can defend properly... we are perfect for counter situations.
Aye ROma are good on the counter, but if United play 442 at least they create something:pp. Just check any 451 game that we do in the CL - we look like Liverpool :pp . Totally shite - ffs against Lille at home, barely having possession with that crap is sad to see.
 
#26 ·
Brian Glanville in The Times

Roman gladiators
Ominously for Manchester United, Roma are finding form at the right time and have a rejuvenated striker in Francesco Totti


Brian Glanville

How hard it is to make any sense of Roma’s form this year. Their highly surprising, but fully deserved, 2-0 win in Lyon last week was arguably the only clear and uncontroversial victory of the whole round. They took their goals wonderfully well, the first neatly headed by the emblematic Francesco Totti, the second the result of a superb solo by the left-sided Brazilian midfielder Mancini, who rounded off his run with a splendid left-footed drive. And when Lyon threatened to come back into the game, they found themselves denied by the giant 27-year-old Brazilian goalkeeper, Doni, who brought off a point-blank save from the former Arsenal forward, Sylvain Wiltord, and followed that by flying across his goal to turn round the post a fierce drive by the Brazil international Juninho.

The previous weekend, Roma could do no better than gain a shaky 1-1 draw on the ground of the bottom-placed Serie A club, Ascoli, their equaliser from the Swedish winger Christian Wilhelmsson coming as late as the 85th minute.

It is arguable that so far as the Italian championship is concerned, Roma have simply taken their eye off the ball. Though they are impregnable in second place and are therefore all but sure to qualify for the next Champions League, they have drifted 16 points behind the leaders, Internazionale, who, ironically enough, have just been knocked out of the competition by Valencia.

Until the Christmas break, Roma did appear to have some chance of overhauling Inter, but that chance has not only well and truly gone but of late has hardly been pursued.

Away form in the Champions League has scarcely been better than in domestic competition. Not since October 18 last year, when Roma won in Greece at Olympiakos, had they triumphed away from home. And not since December 20 have they recorded an away victory in Serie A, that one being 2-1 at Torino. In that period, away from home, Roma have lost one match and drawn four.

Before the goalless draw at the Olympic Stadium in Rome against Lyon, they had just lost 1-0 away to little Empoli, the club that their manager, Luciano Spalletti, had coached for four seasons, bringing them all the way up in just three years from C1, the third division, to Serie A. Another irony, while he was in charge at Empoli, Spalletti encouraged the career of Vincenzo Montella, who, in mid-season, left to go on loan to Fulham because Spalletti’s use of Totti as a sole striker meant that there was no longer a regular place for him.

Totti, 30, is beyond question the talisman of the team, having made his debut as long ago as March 1993, though he did not gain a regular place in the side until a couple of seasons later. Since then, the Rome-born Totti — though not infrequently at odds with the club, even threatening to leave for alleged lack of support on the field — has been the jewel in the crown. Arguably he has been the same for Italy, though his international record has been blemished by indiscipline.

He was sent off for spitting during the 2004 European Championships in Portugal. Two years before that, he was somewhat more contentiously expelled during the World Cup for a probably undeserved second yellow card playing against the hosts, South Korea, in Daejeon. Infuriated, Totti, by his own admission, went off and, with some help from teammates, smashed up the dressing room.

Essentially an attacking player, he had largely been used by club and country until this season as what the Italians call a trequartista, a three-quarter player, that is to say, operating just behind a spearhead. But this season, as a solitary striker, he has so far amassed no fewer than 16 league goals, which is one more than he got in the campionato all last season, in his 24 appearances.

Totti, of course, was a leading figure in Italy’s passage to the last World Cup final. Other Roma players in the victorious Italian team were the midfielders Simone Perrotta, who was actually born in Ashton-under-Lyne, Greater Manchester, and the somewhat explosive 23-year-old Daniele De Rossi, born in Rome like Totti and sent off in the World Cup group stage for a particularly brutal foul against the United States. That offence confirmed the penchant of Italy managers for forgiving and quickly rehabilitating their ill-disciplined players, because it did not prevent him coming on in the final against France and scoring in the penalty shootout.

The Roma defence is one of the best in the league, equal with Inter’s having conceded only 21 goals, while the team has scored 52. The best defence belongs to Roma’s eternal rivals, Lazio, who have given away just 19 goals.

Apart from the giant Doni, Roma have plenty of experienced talent to choose from in defence. The 24-year-old France international Philippe Mexes, who had a troubled transfer from Auxerre, has just returned from injury and has shown resilient form, even managing to score a league goal.

Matteo Ferrari, who played just eight Premiership games during an uneasy season at Everton, is back in Rome and is able to operate either in central defence or at full-back. The 26-year-old Romania international, Cristian Chivu, is similarly versatile, while another Italian defender who had a brief, unhappy eight-game spell at Chelsea, Christian Panucci, is playing at left-back.

What we do know is that Roma will be giving their all in the two matches against Manchester United, while they can afford to take their foot off the accelerator and even rest key players when it comes to the title race. Significantly, perhaps, both Mancini and De Rossi came on only as 59th-minute substitutes in the Ascoli game that preceded the surprise at Lyon.

So can Manchester United do better than Lyon? Don’t count on it, not least when they made such embarrassingly heavy weather of their two meagre 1-0 victories over Lille, a team that lags hopelessly far adrift of Lyon in the French championship.

All United were good for in Lens was that Ryan Giggs goal which, however technically legitimate, still raised memories of Stephen Potter’s once celebrated book Gamesmanship, the art of winning without actually cheating. Even the eulogised Cristiano Ronaldo was firing blanks that night.

And at Old Trafford, in the return, Lille for all their modest means, almost scored twice. This time, for the solitary winning goal, United had to rely on the indestructible Swede Henrik Larsson, who shortly, of course will be homeward bound.

United’s European record in recent seasons has been moderate to a degree. At present, the parts are manifestly superior to the whole, and alas, there is no Roy Keane to galvanise, exhort and inspire.

Let us not be too hard on United. This has so far been a depressingly mediocre European tournament. Former big guns are now firing blanks. Arsenal have crumbled; Barcelona are in decline, in common with Bayern Munich; Real Madrid are in deep crisis. Liverpool and Chelsea have gone through, but each owes so much in this first round of knockouts to abysmal goalkeeping errors.

Ominously for United, Roma have at last begun winning away: and just when it really matters.

Euro pedigree


Roma:

League position 2nd

European Cup best finalists

CL 2006-7 P8 W4 D2 L2 F10 A4

Top scorer Francesco Totti (4)


Man United:

League position 1st

European Cup best Winners (2)

CL 2006-7 P8 W6 D0 L2 F12 A5

Top scorer Louis Saha (4)