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Discussion starter · #21 · (Edited)
After Ronaldo recovered from his injury, He was still a top-class player without doubt but the fact that he wasn't in the same level anymore.

Sheva and Henry were in his prime in the early 2000s. Both of them was more effectiveness than Ronaldo.

I consider Sheva as striker not forward. He isn't a great assister.
 
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Cruyff14 said:
Looking at the all time team it looks a bit unbalanced, but then you look from Beckenbauer and back, you just know that team won't concede many goals at all.
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Why not ? This team might not have pure striker like Muller but I think it is not neccessary because manager is Rinus Michel with his total football style of play !!.

Beckenbauer must be DM in this sqaud because I don't think he could play along with Baresi in back-line in 4-4-2 formation.
 
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Dearman said:
Why not ? This team might not have pure striker like Muller but I think it is not neccessary because manager is Rinus Michel with his total football style of play !!.

Beckenbauer must be DM in this sqaud because I don't think he could play along with Baresi in back-line in 4-4-2 formation.
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I'm not saying it's a crap squad or anything. It just looks like a very attacking line-up, but you look at the defence and you don't need to worry! :thumbsup: :eek:
 
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Dearman said:
After Ronaldo recovered from his injury, He was still a top-class player without doubt but the fact that he wasn't in the same level anymore.

Sheva and Henry were in his prime in the early 2000s. Both of them was more effectiveness than Ronaldo.

I consider Sheva as striker not forward. He isn't a great assister.
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of course he wasn't in the same FENOMENO level anymore, no one else in the history of sports has ever reached that level anyhow!

But he was still world-class, miles ahead of Henry and Sheva!

I would have: RONALDO------------RAUL in the beginning of the 00's
 
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One question, Dearman. How many years, as you considered for rated a player belonging to each team.

I.e. For 1920s selection, played 3-5 years at least, in higher level that period.
For 2nd mid 1960s, players with 2-3 years in higher level in that period.

That could be changing some spots
 
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msioux75 said:
One question, Dearman. How many years, as you considered for rated a player belonging to each team.

I.e. For 1920s selection, played 3-5 years at least, in higher level that period.
For 2nd mid 1960s, players with 2-3 years in higher level in that period.

That could be changing some spots
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This is a good question and I have to admit it is hard to consider player who was in the great performance between era such as Berti Vogts. He was so great in 1968 - 1973 so I have to select the better of era for him.

and this factor has been applied to all. Most years they were in thier prime is an answer.
 
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Dearman said:
This is a good question and I have to admit it is hard to consider player who was in the great performance between era such as Berti Vogts. He was so great in 1968 - 1973 so I have to select the better of era for him.

and this factor has been applied to all. Most years they were in thier prime is an answer.
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I agree that some players could be elected in various eras. I.e Zico in 2nd mid 70s and 1st mid 80s. And if you don't wanna repeat names, those cases are good to pick facilities.

But i've had a doubt about JL.Andrade for 1930-34 period, he was great in WC'30 and after that, i don't know much about his career later, maybe played for 1 or 2 years. I think that his peak was in OG'24, being the best player on that tournament.
 
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Oh. You are right. I just forgot to consider his consistency as usual. He retired from Uruguay since 1930. I'll update it when I have time.

I'd not mind seelcting players more than one era as well.
 
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babaorum said:
Excellent work, though it hurts me to see that you didn't pick Kopa in your mid/late 50's team. I'd have him above Gento.
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Babaorum, I would not refuse Kopa was better player than Gento. Even Kopa was a free-role playmaker, I don't think he could be close level to Gento as Left-Winger. At least Kopa is selected by me 10th playmaker of all-time and this ranking has indicated how great of him.
 
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Dearman said:
That's a good idea to include L.Andrade instead of Szepan. Let me think over about it.


Ronaldo no way beat Henry and Shevchenko in the early 2000s squad.

Henry and Shevchenko were selected in top five Ballon'dOr for almost every years in the era. Ronaldo just got best highlight in WC 2002 and 1-2 seasons for real madrid.
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Well I agree for Henry as first choice of forward/striker in ealry 2000's

However, there is NO CLEAR difference between Ronaldo and Sheva from 2001-2005 (reference in TOP10 list)
************** WOPY ********* Ballon Dor**********
- Ronaldo ............. 3times ...............2times
- Sheva.................3times .............. 3times

Ronaldo had 2.5 less years (0nly started from middle of 2002). SO in average Ronaldo achieved more than Sheva (obviuosly) as 2 best years/3years (2002&2003). While Sheva only achieved 1 best year/5years (2004).

Sheva was just a "more FIT" player but never was a "better shining" star than Ronaldo - at any level!

I think most people would choose:

--------------------- Ronaldo ----------
------ Henry ---------------------------

as top 2 strikers of early 2000
 
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James;

It is not fair to consider players in top 10 because the gap is too far.

Also, Player like Ronaldo have to be in top 5 at least to be regarded successful.

This is his profile in the early 2000s.

2000-2001 : Out of the whole season
2001-2002 : Back to play for inter just a half of season (World-Class in WC tournament, Ballondor)
2002-2003 : Best Season in this period (3rd of FIFA World Player, World-Class Performance)
2003-2004 : World-Class
2004-2005 : Down to international-class

Conclusion : World-Class 2.5 , International-Class 1.5

Sheva

2000-2001 : UCl Top Scorer (World-Class)
2001-2002 : Down to international-class
2002-2003 : 4th Ballondor (He scored just 5 Goals in series A) National level
2003-2004 : Series A Top Scorer, Ballondor (World-Class)
2004-2005 : 5th Ballondor, FIFpro World XI (World-Class a half of season)

Conclusion : World-Class : 2.5 , International-Class : 1.5, National Level 1


Result of comparison : Shevchenko won by 1 year national level.
 
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Dearman said:
James;

It is not fair to consider players in top 10 because the gap is too far.

Also, Player like Ronaldo have to be in top 5 at least to be regarded successful.

This is his profile in the early 2000s.

2000-2001 : Out of the whole season
2001-2002 : Back to play for inter just a half of season (World-Class in WC tournament, Ballondor)
2002-2003 : Best Season in this period (3rd of FIFA World Player, World-Class Performance)
2003-2004 : World-Class
2004-2005 : Down to international-class

Conclusion : World-Class 2.5 , International-Class 1.5

Sheva

2000-2001 : UCl Top Scorer (World-Class)
2001-2002 : Down to international-class
2002-2003 : 4th Ballondor (He scored just 5 Goals in series A) National level
2003-2004 : Series A Top Scorer, Ballondor (World-Class)
2004-2005 : 5th Ballondor, FIFpro World XI (World-Class a half of season)

Conclusion : World-Class : 2.5 , International-Class : 1.5, National Level 1


Result of comparison : Shevchenko won by 1 year national level.
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Well I just followed your "reasons" as to refer to WPOY and Ballon dor. Hence no CLEAR difference between Ronaldo and Sheva - as Ronaldo got HIGHER recognition with LESS chances!

In fact there are more than that ... (in rating players)

1- If you start collecting (or base on) individual trophies (on top of WPOY and Baloon Dor), then no one could ever catch up with Ronaldo!

2- NT: Sheva was never a key player and the "best" player for his country per se ... during his best! At least Ronaldo was topscorer in SA WCqual for Brazil in 2005 - after his WC2002 triumph

3- " form is temporary and class is permanent" , while Sheva got EXPOSED in EPL 06-07, Ronaldo fat or lazy he shone everywhere he played (milan 07 - got best player of the decade in Serie A and MVP Paulista 08-09 ) - His issue was more to injuries, and a bit of extra weights - never issue with talent nor playing style
 
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Only Pele better than ronaldo,and maradona was most overrated player ever,yes,he was one of greatest,because 1986 World Cuo,In FIFA and IFFHS official ：Maradona was best Argentina player of 20th Century and in Top5 World players of 20th Century:
1."Pelé" (Brazil) 1705 (Edson Arantes do Nascimento)
2.Johan Cruijff (Netherlands) 1303
3.Franz Beckenbauer (Germany) 1228
4.Alfredo di Stéfano (Argentina) 1215
5.Diego Armando Maradona (Argentina) 1214

http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/iffhs-century.html#franpoy

But after 10-20 years,I think maybe like this:
1 Pele
2 Ronaldo
3 Maradona
4 Beckenbauer
5 Cruijff

Ronaldo was best brazil player of the 1990s:
Brazil - Player of the Century

1."Pelé" 220 (Edson Arantes do Nascimento)
2.Garrincha 142 (Manoel dos Santos Garrincha)
3."Zico" 51 (Arthur Antunes Coimbra)
4.Thomas Soãres "Zizinho" 40
5.Arthur Friedenreich 21
"Tostão" 21 (Eduardo Gonçalves de Andrade)
7.Valdir Pereira Didi 17
8.Leônidas da Silva 13
9.Nílton dos Santos 12
Ronaldo 12 (Ronaldo Luís Nazário de Lima)

And This is Ronaldo's achievement in the 21th Century :
Real Madrid
Spanish League: 2003, 2007
Intercontinental Cup: 2002
UEFA Super Cup: 2002
Spanish Supercup: 2003
Corinthians
São Paulo State League: 2009
Brazil Cup: 2009
National team
FIFA World Cup: 2002

La Liga Top Scorer: 2003-2004
FIFA World Player of the Year:2002
Ballon D'or: 2002
World Soccer Magazine World Player of The Year: 2002
Onze d'Or: 2002
FIFA World Cup Silver Ball: 2002
FIFA 100
FIFA World Cup All-Star Team: 2002
FIFA World Cup Final Most Valuable Player: 2002
FIFA World Cup Top Scorer: 2002
Intercontinental Cup Most Valuable Player: 2002
UEFA Team of The Year: 2002
Laureus Comeback of the Year: 2002
Strogaldo De Legendary Award 2002
BBC Sports Personality of the Year Overseas Personality: 2002
La Liga South American Player of the Year: 2002-03
Golden Foot: 2006
Brazilian National Hall of Fame inducated: Class of 2006
Serie A Player of the Decade: 1997-2007
France Football Magazine: Starting eleven of all-time: 2007
FIFA World Cup All-Time Scoring Leader
Campeonato Paulista Best Player: 2009
 
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There are many Brazilian had most skills than maradona,like Garrincha in the 60's,Rivellino in the 70s,Paulo Falcao in the 80s,Ronaldo,Denilson in the 90s ,ronaldinho in the 00s,except Brazilian ,like Jay Jay Okocha,Ortega and others all had better skills and magic than maradona,I had seen many matches and videos about maradona,but never seen maradona did a stepver,elastic or double lunge.Maradona's dribbling skills very very easily,like George Best or Messi,but maradona's skills maybe was most practical ever,but Caniggia,Weah were must faster than maradona,Denilson had best magic skills ever,RONALDO=Denilson+Caniggia+Maradona.
Why maradona was one of greatset?because 1986 WC,Garrincha (58,62)and RONALDO (94,02) won more World Cups the maradona,and ronaldo also won 1998 world cup Golden Ball,2002 World Cup Top Scorer and greatest scorer ever ,15 goals,and ronaldo (500 goals),romario (1000 goals) scored more goals than maradona, But why maradona was greater than Ronaldo or Garrincha?Because ronaldo never scored a great goal in world cup,and ronaldo didn't know that how did he use his hand in football field?And ronaldo didn't know what is "Hand of God" and what is immoral ?

http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/afstop100.html
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/view/20242/Best-ever-but-not-you-George-/
Association of Football Statistician made a ranking,according to goals scored (for midfielders and forwarders),matches without receive a goal (for defenders and goalkeepers), titles won, matches played as captain etc.
No 1. Pele scores 16,799.44 points, narrowly beating his countryman Ronaldo, 31. Romario, 41, completes a top three for Brazil.
 
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