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Well at least your half Jordanian. I come across too many Palestinians from Jordan who like to say they are Jordanian instead of Palestinian which drives me mad! This is what a certain nation wants - they should be proud of being Palestinian and make sure their children know where they come from.
 
Well at least your half Jordanian. I come across too many Palestinians from Jordan who like to say they are Jordanian instead of Palestinian which drives me mad! This is what a certain nation wants - they should be proud of being Palestinian and make sure their children know where they come from.
They by saying they are Jordanians do not indicate in anyway that they are not proud of being Palestinians. I think you are not getting the picture here. Those are young men who were born, raised and lived in Jordan all their lives, they are Jordanians by birth, residency and nationality. That being said, dose not mean they deny or do not feel the pride of their Palestinian roots.
 
I'm looking at it from a political perspective which is why we probably disagree :)

And it's for political reasons that I will make sure my kids grow up calling themselves Palestinian despite them only having a British passport available to them.
 
I'm looking at it from a political perspective which is why we probably disagree :)

And it's for political reasons that I will make sure my kids grow up calling themselves Palestinian despite them only having a British passport available to them.

Do not worry, they are not denying the right of return by telling others that they are Jordanians, if that what you are implying to.

Jordan is a different case anyway to Palestinians, families, history, geography, religion, etc are very similar between the two sides of the river.
 
I am half Palestinian anyway, however, whats wrong with what I said? I am Jordanian first and foremost and Amman is the city I do belong to. I cheer for Palestine in other games, even against Argentina:D but against Jordan, it is and will always be JORDAN!
What exactly does Jordan have that one possibly could be proud of? I'm curious.
 
Just curious. Tell me.
Depends on what you mull over as a deed to be proud of?

However, been to Lebanon's and Syria's refugee’s camps, the way Palestinians live there in the most miserable and despondent conditions compared to the way they live in Jordan is something Jordan should be proud of – even though it’s not - on a humanitarian and civilized level.
 
True and I've been there. But at what cost? Is it worth it giving up your Palestinian identity? Its exactly what the zionist murderers want. They deny the Palestinian identity, from the beginning claiming that it was a land without a people for a people without a land. And lets not forget the aspirations of the useless so called 'king' hussein of annexing the west bank as jordanian territory. Actually, I am against nationalism, but this time its more or less a shield against eradication from a land holy not only to Palestinians, but to the whole ummah and to half of the world, christians and muslims. You have the right to call yourself jordanian, but in my eyes, you'll be one of those quitters who gave in, who succumbed, who surrendered.
 
Culéd;6883502 said:
True and I've been there. But at what cost? Is it worth it giving up your Palestinian identity? Its exactly what the zionist murderers want. They deny the Palestinian identity, from the beginning claiming that it was a land without a people for a people without a land. And lets not forget the aspirations of the useless so called 'king' hussein of annexing the west bank as jordanian territory. Actually, I am against nationalism, but this time its more or less a shield against eradication from a land holy not only to Palestinians, but to the whole ummah and to half of the world, christians and muslims. You have the right to call yourself jordanian, but in my eyes, you'll be one of those quitters who gave in, who succumbed, who surrendered.
So, by your logic, living in the most despondent, outrageous and miserable conditions is what keeps the Palestinian identity? How, in the name of Allah, dose obtaining any nationality a giving up on your Palestinian identity? What is wrong with living like other people in the world and assure the best possible future for your kids as in education, health insurance, career, etc?


A little young man from Gaza lives in Jeddah in Saudi Arabia. He suffers from a brain condition and needed to go the ER ASAP, they took him to three hospitals and none accepted to admit him for speed recuperation! He is damn poor, that of course because his parents could not get the needed education to improve their live conditions or the nationality for health insurance. Anyway, they took him to a private hospital, the bill was like 150,000 SAR, and only donations to the kid released him out.

That, happens in Jordan or in any other country where he holds its nationality, the kid would be treated on spot, health insurance and everything without the need to beg for money!

Thanks for the most adolescent and naive speech I have ever heard but those in Syria for example works as pimps and Taxi drivers, no thanks, VIVA LA JORDANIE.
 
Culed did not mean it in that manner.

Even if people treat you write you shouldn't consider yourself as one of them, you're palestinian. If the Jordanians treat you nicely you should thank them, not be proud of being Jordanian than Palestinian.

That's like a palestinian with a USA citizenship getting benefits, he should never forget where he came from, but that's what arab leaders like your beloved Abdullah want.

You gave up on being Palestinian, you're doing what 'they' want.
 
Culed did not mean it in that manner.

Even if people treat you write you shouldn't consider yourself as one of them, you're palestinian. If the Jordanians treat you nicely you should thank them, not be proud of being Jordanian than Palestinian.

That's like a palestinian with a USA citizenship getting benefits, he should never forget where he came from, but that's what arab leaders like your beloved Abdullah want.

You gave up on being Palestinian, you're doing what 'they' want.
The conception of giving up is actually what I am arguing here. I have made it clear that being proud of being Jordanian dose not mean giving up the Palestinian identity or pride.

You be sure that Jor - Pals are proud Palestinians as much as any of those in Palestine and even more and will never give up on that.

What you are trying to prove is that a Jor - Pal being proud of being Jordanian dose mean automatically the contrary! That is ridiculous.

However, nice treatment means providing you with the same provided to the citizens of the country you live in. In the case of Jor – Pals, they are Jordanians with full rights of everything, from up to bottom, from prime minister to the modest job in the country.

You are born here, live here, study here, friends and family here, home here, work here, live your entire life here, when you travel abroad, you travel with a Jordanian passport not a fooking “travelling document” that makes it hell for you at every corner of the world to get in, you die here and your heritage is for your Jordanian sons who hold the torch after you! On the other hand, you have never seen Palestine, you are only emotionally attached to it, you can't even go there without an Israeli visa and if you did go there, when you go back, you go back HOME!



It is a flip coin, as simple as that.
 
Such a simplistic, narrowminded view of things. You know, the terrorist-settlers that live on the west bank are thinking in similar ways. They say: Well, we jews have only one country, while you arabs have more than 20. So get out of here and live in one of those." (besides, according to their own beliefs, God gave them the land)
And there are some jordanians who want to throw the Palestinians out, claiming their immigration to Jordan have caused themselves to be a minority in their own country. Some of these despicable beings were happy when Israel terrorbombed the oppressed people of Gaza.

VIVA LA JORDANIE.
pff. Viva Palestina!
 
Culéd;6885953 said:
Such a simplistic, narrowminded view of things. You know, the terrorist-settlers that live on the west bank are thinking in similar ways. They say: Well, we jews have only one country, while you arabs have more than 20. So get out of here and live in one of those." (besides, according to their own beliefs, God gave them the land)
And there are some jordanians who want to throw the Palestinians out, claiming their immigration to Jordan have caused themselves to be a minority in their own country. Some of these despicable beings were happy when Israel terrorbombed the oppressed people of Gaza
Some nice comprehension abilities. :thumbsup:
 
Enough about Jordan and the virile plague of nationalism/tribalism.

A small ray of light in this dark world:
(http://www.xtratime.org/forum/showthread.php?t=221989&page=4&highlight=palestine)

Palestine scoop Development prize

FIFA's inaugural Development Award has been presented to Palestine, whose new Ram stadium, which also includes a technical centre, was inaugurated on 26 October by FIFA President Joseph S. Blatter, with a number of prominent figures in attendance.

This FIFA award is designed to demonstrate the significant amount of effort and financial support which go into furthering development in those countries which need it the most. This vital work, which so often goes unheralded, enables lesser lights on the footballing scene such as Venezuela, St. Kitts and Nevis, Malawi and Mozambique - who recently reached the third phase of qualifying for the 2010 FIFA World Cup™ - to progress and show that they deserve their place on the world stage.

The FIFA President explained that the Palestinian Football Association was receiving the award "in recognition of the difficult task that it had accomplished in keeping football alive and also for its work with FIFA in building the first international-standard stadium in the West Bank, as well as organising the now famous match between Palestine and Jordan in October 2008".

The Al-Husseini stadium at Al-Ram near Ramallah has been significantly renovated. An international standard state-of-the-art artificial pitch has been laid, the West stand has had its capacity increased and a new stand has also been built on the east side. Underneath the West stand, the Palestinian FA is currently setting out its offices, while the East stand will also house technical centre offices, dormitories and classrooms. These will provide the FA with a fully functional technical centre for its national teams to train at as well as a venue for coaching and refereeing courses.

On 26 October last year, Palestine hosted their first international match at home since becoming affiliated to FIFA in 1998. Previously, they did not have a pitch up to international standards and had to play their "home" matches outside the country, either in Jordan or Qatar.

As far as FIFA is concerned, it is essential that a member association play its home matches on its own soil. This is why world football's governing body also made great efforts to ensure that this was the case for Israel a few years ago, despite the situation being far from ideal.

This time, FIFA took the initiative of helping to renovate the first stadium that met the required standards, enabling Palestine to host an international match. "The aim of football is not only to put the ball in the net, but to touch the world and build a better future," said Joseph S. Blatter at the inauguration of the stadium, where Palestine and Jordan fittingly played out a 1-1 draw.

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http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball...cfootball/awards/gala/news/newsid=990926.html#palestine+scoop+development+prize
 
That is such good news especially with so many sporting facilities being bombed in Gaza. Now we need to see money being put back into Gaza so they can be rebuilt. Most of the Palestinian NT come from Gaza and it would be a shame to see them no longer have any facilities to train in especially as them getting out of Gaza into the West Bank is such a lottery.

It'd also be nice if the Palestinian disapora could also look at qualifying for the NT as there must be some really good talent going to waste in the external camps but I know this is a pipe-dream and concentrating on those footballers produced inside Gaza and the West Bank comes first.
 
Palestine will play Belgian Division2 club FC Brussels in a friendly in May. The profits from the game will go to charity to build schools in Palestine :thumbsup: FC Brussels plays its games in an area of Brussels with many immigrants, including many from Arab descent. In the youth education program of the club there is a good mixture of immigrant kids and Belgian locals. The club seems the perfect opponent for the Palestinian NT in their first European trip, and the initiative to donate money to charity should be applauded by all.

FC Brussels has a decent team but I do think Palestine will win the game, although that is in a way not important. The message of hope and unity behind the game is more important than the result of the friendly game.
 
It's good to see the NT being given visas for Belgium. They were meant to tour North England a in 2007 but the home office decided to deny them visas because they thought they would all seek asylum which was crap
 
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