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SAD ANDY

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I need a mod to make this a poll.

I really dislike the 4-3-3 formation used by Grant, not only is it limiting, it is overusing a single striker, in Drogba.

I had hopes that Grant would utilize 4-4-2 with Sheva/Drogba, Drogba/Pizarro or Sheva/Pizarro, but Grant in his infinite ignorance chooses to go with Drogba alone up front for every game that is not a particularly weak opponent.

When you look at it closely, our 4-3-3 Formation basically has 6 Wingers for 1 Striker, and that is not smart at all.

-Ferreira & Belletti both go down the entire Right side for crossing into the Box.
-Bridge goes down all the way on the left, Ashley Cole halfway for Crossing/Lobbing.

-SWP, Joe Cole, Malouda are also all Wingers, going down the sides for assisting the Striker. Kaloupy also does this feebly, except he shoots instead of passing to the striker.

Whereas if you had 4-4-2, you would have 4 Wingers for 2 strikers, a much better balance.

Grant also talked about Rotating players so they stay fresh, however, he only talks about doing it, and doesn't actually follow through with it.

Here is his amazing "rotation" numbers (Note: also includes Mourinho, who played the identical players as Grant) :

Drogba = 968' (12)
Kaloupy = 876' (16)
Pizarro = 579' (12)
Shevchenko = 431' (9)

Mmm, rotation. Also consider that Drogba was banned for 1 game, which he surely would have played full game.

This saturday against Everton, I will not be surprised in the least when I will see another 4-3-3 formation with Drogba alone up front, yet again. It's like neither Mourinho nor Grant realize that this is not a Videogame, and you have to rest players or they will keep grinding out worse and worse performances due to overuse. Both coaches have now used Drogba when he was not 100% fit, and both coaches have now kept Drogba on the pitch when he was visibly injured.

It's like Grant doesn't realize that Drogba & Kaloupy will not be going on a vacation in January, sipping cocktails on a beach lounging around, they will be playing just as much football, just not for Chelsea. So his complete overuse of Drogba is not fair on Drogba.

Post your thoughs, hopefully the poll will be up soon. :)
 
We are playing 4-3-3 because we want to play attacking football. We were really defensive with the dimond in the middle. Drogba is not going to get tired, he is basicly plays the same amount of time as last season. Our other two strikers do need a chance but they have to compeat with Drogs for a spot which isn't a easy task. So I say give them a try when we can. We have to go with what works for important matches not what could work, we'll save that for Carling Cup. So for now they're subs.
 
4-3-3 obviously. It gives both compact and tough to brake midfield trio and width in attacks. And Drogba is more than capable in lone striker role.

If Drogba leaves at the end of the season this concept must be rethought, but not now. It would be difficult even to find (let alone to acquire) player who could play as a lone striker so well.
 
DARK ANDY said:
But Drogba has NOT been more than capable the last few games playing alone up front, you can see it clearly.

I think 6 wingers is way overkill for 1 striker.
6 wingers? LOL. I don't know how do you get on with maths, but it is very much obvious that Chelsea play with TWO wingers and TWO full backs. Even if you consider full back as winger two plus two is four, not six.

And about Drogba... Ok, I didn't see game against Schalke yet (hopefully and probably I'll be able to do that tomorrow), but I cannot agree with you when talking about other previous games. Drogba scored couple of goals against Manchester City, he was Ok against Wigan and caused some troubles for oppositions defence. He and Lampard are axis of Chelsea's attacking play. It was evidently seen when they both were out injured earlier this season and Chelsea couldn't grab a single league goal for a whole September I think.
 
I think you are a little off with Lampard and Essien. I wouldn't say they are always going up the sides and I wouldn't call them wingers. DA are you just trying to justify your Sheva issues? lol
 
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I am not getting into the Shevchenko debate in here. This is not a platform for it, so I will disregard your comment.

Playing with 2 strikers up front gets them to help each other out better, than a bunch of wingers crossing to 1 guy. Because Kaloupy is a selfish prick, I cannot judge neutrally when he and Drogba played together, but when Shevchenko & Drogba worked together up front, they both played a whole lot better than separately. I saw a little Shevchenko & Pizarro combo and Pizarro & Drogba combos, they were not bad either.

The point is that we have 4 Strikers in our squad, and are only playing 1 of them. It would be like if we would be playing 1 Centerback, and you'd only play John Terry, with Alex, Carvalho and Ben Haim always sitting on the bench. We should maximize what depth we have, not completely limit them where we have an abundance. Joe Cole rotates with SWP, Malouda rotates with Kaloupy, Essien, Mikel & Makelele rotate, and Drogba plays. All. The. Time.

Why do we have depth if we don't use it? I would be severely frustrated and angry if I were Pizarro, and I'd realize that the only reason I am in Chelsea is so I can fill in a spot for ONE MONTH IN JANUARY, which is what it looks like now.
 
Well, don't forget that Lampard goes into advanced positions every time when he needs to and that means wide players have two targets in the box. And as for now Lamps is our top scorer this season. And with Essien and (especially) Mikel/Makelele sitting deep Lampard has much more freedom to make his devastating runs throughout the middle.

And rotation is not the case here. We have six centre midfielders (Lampard, Ballack, Essien, Sidwell, Mikel and Makelele) so if there will be only two places for them (as it would be in 4-4-2) nobody will be able to satisfy them all either.
 
DARK ANDY said:
Essien is a Right Midfielder, and Lampard was Left Midfielder everytime we played the Diamond Formation.
Actually this is centre midfield positions. There are no wingers in diamond formation.
 
Korkmaz said:
Is Alex better then Terry/Carvalho? He was a beast here in Holland.
Well, it is difficult to say if he is better, but he plays really well. Now Terry is injured but Alex covers him and Chelsea keeps cleaning clean sheets. And in the last league game against Wigan his no nonsense approach impressed me really.

DARK ANDY said:
Then why are they playing on the sides, running up the flanks? Should they not remain in the midfield, through passing for the wingers and strikers?
They are not playing on sides. Width is created by full backs in this formation.
 
DARK ANDY said:
But they were playing on the sides, in the diamond formation. Essien was constantly sprinting down the right side, and Lampard was mostly on the left side of the box passing into it.
They were constantly operating some 20 or 30 yards from the touchline, hardly a position of a wide player. Yes, Essien was playing more on the right and Lampard was playing more on the left, but it is not side midfield position. Alex plays more on the right and Carvalho more on the left in the heart of our defence, but that doesn't make Alex a right back and Carvalho a left back. The same goes with midfield.
 
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