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#21 ·
He played fairly well. He does make bad decision sometimes like trying to beat the defender with the dribble when a good pass option is available. He missed a header in the final minute that would have given Dinamo the tie. He will be excellent in a few years with some experience to guide him. Still he was 10x better than Sokota who touched the ball once and probably ran 50m the whole time he was out there. I would start him with Balaban next game.
 
#23 ·
Mandzukic made something happen as soon as he came on where as sokota...well, i guess he was injured.

Mandž makes a few bad decisions but we can put that down to the athmosphere and his age...he will only get better.
 
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What exactly has Rukavina done wrong??

Are you people blind?

This is Niko Kranjcar all over again...Rukavina has no service at all. He has to come to midfield and make something from there. He fought for every ball tonight. Lost causes he fought for. He will be a good player as i think he already is. He is still learning his trade but there will be something of this kid yet
 
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Rukavina was actually the worst player on the field, every site has put that. Cernat was easily Hajduk's best player, but with that midfield of Rubil, Damjanovic and Andric, the team will never score a goal.
 
#30 ·
Cevapcici kid said:
This is Niko Kranjcar all over again...Rukavina has no service at all. He has to come to midfield and make something from there. He fought for every ball tonight. Lost causes he fought for. He will be a good player as i think he already is. He is still learning his trade but there will be something of this kid yet
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Some similarities there, mostly in the way the media over hypes them and then goes about demolishing them.

I reckon a good parallel for Rukavina is Danijel Pranjic. A highly regarded young player at Osijek, signed by Dinamo which placed all their hopes on young & inexperienced players like Pranjic, Ljubojevic & Kranjcar and it backfired.

Pranjic was made to be one of Dinamo's scapegoats for their failure, many of their supporters were saying that he was rubbish & overrated etc ... Dinamo sell him for loose change (500K euro) to Heerenveen and two seasons later he is possibly the best left winger in Holland, in the NT and his transfer value is somewhere in the vicinity of 5-7 mil euros.

Probably all that Pranjic needed was a good environment where he could concentrate on his football and not be burdened with unrealistic expectations.

Sad to say, but Ruki may be better off outside Croatia as well. I didn't watch the Sampdoria match (listened to it on the radio), but I have watched him enough times to know that he certainly has potential and given the right environment he can mature into a quality footballer. I know that AZ Alkmaar came out to watch him play at Hajduk late last season, if the Dutch can't nurture a talent with a lot of potential, I don't know who can.
 
#31 ·
For me Ruki showed bits of class tonight... or last night.

He did fight for every ball and the defence started from him. He showed his speed on a couple of occasions and its a weapon when he pushes the ball into space.

I am willing to give him time before i throw the book at him because he is still a very young talent and only played in Croatian 2nd division 2 years ago.

Lets wait till the end of the season until he settles.
 
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Eduardo24 said:
He is in hajduk for more than 10 months now, if he didn't settle by now, he will never.

Goran Ljubojevic part2 (just that even Ljubo scored from time to time).
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Rukavina has been at Hajduk since January 2007, for 7 months. Whether he will show more than Ljubojevic did for Dinamo we will see in time.

Ljubojevic did OK at Genk last season, 11 goals in 27 matches, at 24 years of age, he can still improve.
 
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50 Lipa said:
he didn't play 2nd-division, he was in the reserve-team or something.
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U Šibeniku je Rukavina nastupao u mladim selekcijama još od kad je imao 9 godina. Sporije se razvijao od vršnjaka i nije nagovještavao mnogo. Nakon sezone u 2. ligi gdje se nije toliko naigrao, u 1. HNL mladi je napadač zabio 8 pogodaka u prvoj polusezoni, od toga 3 Dinamu ( 2 na Maksimiru ) i 1 Hajduku. Svojim pogotcima, asistencijama, brzinom i sjajnom tehnikom ubrzo je privukao pažnju najbolja 2 hrvatska kluba, a i raznih poznatih iz inozemstva, pa su ga tako na Šubićevcu pratili skauti ( pa i viši dužnosnici ) Lyona, Arsenala, Marseillea, Benfice, Sportinga i ostalih. Zdravko Mamić javno je odaslao ponudu tešku milijun eura, Lyon navodno i 6 milijuna uz javno izražen interes za igrača, ali je Rukavina ipak prije svih dogovorio prelazak u redove splitskog Hajduka, a ugovor na 4 godine službeno je potpisan 4. siječnja 2007. Prvotni dogovor bio je dolazak u Hajduk na ljeto, no, nakon pritiska Uprave splitskog kluba u bili dres obukao se već na proljeće 2007. Sa Šibenikom je imao tek amaterski ugovor, a profesionalni nije potpisao nakon što ga je pod svoje uzeo menadžer Siniša Šošo iz menadžerske agencije Pharos, pa ga usmjerio prema Splitu. Za njegov prelazak u Hajduk, Šibenik je dobio 3 milijuna kuna i dobit će još 40% od sljedećeg Rukavininog transfera, koji njegova menadžerska agencija planira ostvariti na ljeto 2008.
Za vrijeme igranja u Šibeniku dobio je nagradu Večernjeg lista za najveću nadu hrvatskog nogometa.


Hajduk [uredi]
Dolazak Rukavine u Hajduk kao veliki je trijumf slavio predsjednik kluba Branko Grgić, a veliku je euforiju podigao u cijelom Splitu, pa ga je na prvom treningu pratilo 200-injak ljudi. Debitirao je ušavši na poluvremenu protiv Osijeka (3:0) kada ga je pljeskom dočekalo desetak tisuća ljudi na Poljudu. U narednim utakmicama nije odigrao za pamčenje, svejedno, izbornik reprezentacije Slaven Bilić pozvao ga je za kvalifikacijski susret sa Makedonijom, iako Rukavina nije konkurirao za momčad. Hat-trickom za mladu reprezentaciju protiv Slovenije pokazao je da i dalje zna zabijati golove, međutim, to mu je odgodila ozlijeda gležnja koja se dogodila baš po dolasku njegovog bivšeg trenera na klupu Hajduka.

Do kraja prve sezone nije se upisao u strijelce, što mu je uspijelo tek u 11 utakmici za Hajduk, i to hat-trick protiv Intera (7:1) na Poljudu
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Here is a bit more about him :thumbsup:
 
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#36 ·
rukavina is a waste as a striker. he should be attacking midfielder or a winger that becomes a third striker in offence but is mostly occupied with serving others.
kalinic should be raised to be a classic english-style striker a la alan shearer(the last big english striker, also the last english player i rate very high :D ).
mandzukic and tadic play for dinamo so i don't follow them that closely. will comment on them later after i've seen more of them. but mandzukic i remember is very skilled with the ball.
 
#37 ·
I agree with MM and think that Ruki would make a better winger than striker. His speed and passing skills would shine there. He lacks the killer instinct to be a true striker.
 
#40 ·
Rukavina did play in the 2. HNL with Sibenik, in the 2005/2006 season he had 25 appearance off the bench and scored 5 goals. At the time Pudar did not start him because he thought he wasn't up to it in a physical sense and would have him come on as a substitute.

Rukavina was a 'late bloomer' in a physical sense and experienced a growth spurt in his later teens, later than his contemporaries.

As for whether he could become a winger, he probably could, he has speed and is a decent passer of the ball. I don't know how Eduardo24 can say that he is a poor crosser ? I can't even remember him crossing the ball in a match that I have seen, he tends to run towards the penalty area and then pass the ball on the ground.

I forget which nogometni strucnjak it was who went to see him last year at Subicevac, but they commented that they see him as a Robin Van Persie type of striker who doesn't necesarily score a bag of goals but has lots of assists. I would perservere with him in his current role for now and see how he goes for the rest of this season.
 
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