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Biancoceleste said:
The strike was warned not once but twice and we were very close to a conflict just six months ago when the clubs threatend to lock-out the players. Per N, Danton and everyone else had enough time to realise the strike was coming and act accordingly. If they didn't agree with Spillerforeningen why didn't they quit?
They should have. I agree with you. But everywhere you looked, newspapers, message boards - it was always assumed that a solution would be found. Surely, Spillerforeningen and Divisionsforeningen could not possibly be that dumb, to jeopardize the future of Danish football. Well, that's what we thought. And like I said, I think that is what the players thought as well. Before the strike, several players said that they actually didn't know too much about what the conflict was all about. They left it in the hands of their representatives. It would be very interesting to see a poll conducted among the players. I think there are many players out there who would like to do what Per and Danton did today.

Biancoceleste said:
I don't think that's fair. Spillerforeningen has a good case. That is what everyone in the country involved in working rights - even on the employers site says. FIFA and divisionsforeningen is changing the employer-employee agreement (overenskomst) without consulting Spillerforeningen. If that happend to any other employmentgroup there would be a conflict too. - Why shouldn't that be allowed for footballers? Spillerforeningen is acting on the behalf of their members and if those members weren't backing it there would be no conflict. Noone want the strike - not even Palle Sørensen - but when their rights are violated they strike like any other employmentgroup. Only fair. Brøndby and AaB are stuck in the middle with the UEFA cup hanging there but that's what happens.
This is where we disagree. I just don't think professional football is in any way comparable to the general labor market.

If you haven't already, I would suggest you read this article : http://www.dbu.dk/news/newsShow.aspx?id=24375 . It also touches upon some of the points you make.

I know this is Divisionsforeningen's POV, but they would be stupid to lie in a statement like this. Almost everything they discuss in the article exists in print, so it would be very easy for Spillerforeningen to refute any possible lies (or "non-truths") in it. And as far as I know, they haven't.

Biancoceleste said:
I read messageboards too and I know the general fan-opinion is that the players should just give it up, shut up and play ball. I don't agree with that.
Neither do I. But I do think some of Spillerforeningen's demands are downright unreasonable. Check the aforementioned DBU-article.

Biancoceleste said:
Yep. That was a stupid move by Palle Sørensen.
So at least we agree on that ;) .
 
Uche said:
They should have. I agree with you. But everywhere you looked, newspapers, message boards - it was always assumed that a solution would be found. Surely, Spillerforeningen and Divisionsforeningen could not possibly be that dumb, to jeopardize the future of Danish football. Well, that's what we thought. And like I said, I think that is what the players thought as well. Before the strike, several players said that they actually didn't know too much about what the conflict was all about. They left it in the hands of their representatives. It would be very interesting to see a poll conducted among the players. I think there are many players out there who would like to do what Per and Danton did today.
I have no sympathy for players who didn't know anything about this. If they wanted to it was easy for them to gather information long before it came to this. It is afterall their job this conflict is about so you'd think they'd have some interest in it.

Uche said:
This is where we disagree. I just don't think professional football is in any way comparable to the general labor market.

If you haven't already, I would suggest you read this article : http://www.dbu.dk/news/newsShow.aspx?id=24375 . It also touches upon some of the points you make.

I know this is Divisionsforeningen's POV, but they would be stupid to lie in a statement like this. Almost everything they discuss in the article exists in print, so it would be very easy for Spillerforeningen to refute any possible lies (or "non-truths") in it. And as far as I know, they haven't.
The 'the-players-want-something-we-can't-give-them' - excuse Niels Christian Holmstrøm and others use repeatedly is simply wrong. There have been made local rules about compensation for u/23players and transferwindows in Holland and France without FIFA protesting. I'm taking this article with a much needed grain of salt. ;)
 
Well, regardless of what you and I think, the strike is over now. The league matches will be played again from next weekend, and both AaB and Brøndby will be able to play with full squads tomorrow. A dark chapter in Danish football history is over.

Let's just agree that this is good news :) .
 
It will be interesting to see what will happen to Dan :ass: “Arse-ton” :ass: Johansen and Per :ass: “Arse” :ass: Nielsen , hopefully the rest of the Broendby players have the guts to refuse playing with Mr and Miss Crywolf, and hopefully the Broendby squat will be strong enough to win the match without those two wankers :nervous: :nervous:
 
Biancoceleste said:
Come off it Rimmer. Let's just celebrate that the strike is over and there has been reached an agreement for all parts if it can be ratified.

What Per N and Danton did is small potatoes now.
Hopefully not, the captain of one of the bigger Danish clubs, and furthermore one of the most experienced players in the Danish league doesn’t ought to get away with such stupidity without sanctions.
I read somewhere that Dan Arse-ton was just running around smiling yesterday, I guess he simply doesn’t have the brain to understand the situation, but still not good enough as explanation.

I sure hope Palle Soerensen, Morter Wieghorst and “32” Moeller have a way to exclude those two from taking part in the Danish league
 
Biancoceleste said:
Exclude them from the league? What are you about?
Well I would think that execution will be to harsh, but it would be very understandable is the rest of the playerorganisation deny having Judas and Judas playing en the Danish league. Take a look at a player like Wieghorst, he has sacrificed quite a lot, and then the whole sacrifice could have been spoiled by two giant arseholes :yuck: :yuck:
 
Frederik said:
Rimmer, can you tell me what sacrifices Wieghorst made?

In my book the only thing that could have been spoiled is the future of Danish football.

He was working in Denmark on a special tax-deal, the same as M. Johnson (was), M. Bisgaard (was), Olie Tobiasen ect.

He had to give up that and pay the normal tax, since you can't have that tax-aggreement when you're on a striking-team ..


But Mr and Misses Arse didn't give a damn about anybody else than them selves, they have both turned 30 (well I don't know the age of Dan Arse-ton, but I think he has turned 30), and why would they care about the younger players transfer-rules :yuck: :yuck:
 
Rimmer said:
He was working in Denmark on a special tax-deal, the same as M. Johnson (was), M. Bisgaard (was), Olie Tobiasen ect.

He had to give up that and pay the normal tax, since you can't have that tax-aggreement when you're on a striking-team ..:
He would have had to do that anyway at some point, because he and his family have decided to stay in Denmark after his playing career is over - and not return to Scotland, as he used to say he would.


Rimmer said:
But Mr and Misses Arse didn't give a damn about anybody else than them selves, they have both turned 30 (well I don't know the age of Dan Arse-ton, but I think he has turned 30), and why would they care about the younger players transfer-rules :yuck: :yuck:
Dan Anton is 25.

I am done discussing the strike, unless something new comes up. Time to move on.
 
Uche said:
Dan Anton is 25.
Well over 30 or just 25 doesn’t make any difference, he should be old enough to understand why ought to stay away from the training. I guess the moron :ass: :ass: understood jack shit of the situation, that’s why he fumbled around smiling doing the training session Tuesday.
 
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Rimmer said:
I guess the moron :ass: :ass: understood jack shit of the situation, that’s why he fumbled around smiling doing the training session Tuesday.
I bet most of the players striking didn't know it either. It could actually seem Spillerforeningen didn't know it themselves either.

Spillerforeningen at first wasn't good enough to explain their case to the common man - why so many in the beginning had very hard feelings towards the players. That they even tried to make the players and their employment to seem like a normal labour market, which completely fell to the ground, doesn't make their case look any stronger.
I know many has had problems understanding the players case including some of the players themselves.

Per Nielsen and Dan Anton Johansen obviously feels a lot of their club and they made a difficult choice, when breaking with the other players and the strike. Per Nielsen emphasizes that he wasn't pushed by anyone to quit the strike - his feelings for the club and the people in and especially around it (fans and volunteers) was the reason for his decision. Which obviously makes him and Dan Anton look like skruebrækkere in this case - very unfortunate that the strike was called off just hours after their act was made.

Now we know that there has been secret negotiations going on in the middle of this - and for quite some time. Negotiations, which even were a fact long ago, and might have been able to prevent a strike. Negotiations/solutions, which still happen to be very secret, obviously.

The strike is so far over and hopefully with the current solutions over for good. There obviously isn't any winner in this case, well, the fans perhaps - the ball will once more roll. In one way the players should be happy that the strike is over - afterall they didn't seem to know what they went into, didn't, didn't seem to explain their case well enough, why it perhaps seemed slim, and the fact that they now can get back to what they know best playing football.
On the other hand they stand out as losers in this case - they thought they had a good case. LO tried to make them look like common workers, which they absolutely can't be describe nor compared to in any way. In the end they didn't have a strong enough case or at least defence to make the case seem valid.

AaB and Brøndby will play UEFA Cup qualification tonight - with full squads, thank God. Obviously an important matter for Danish football with the new UEFA Cup-model in mind. Many co-effecient-points are to be won if we reach that stage.

Furthermore there is Suppen rolling again in the weekend as usual - thank God!
 
Me neither but I have come to the conclusion that it is because 95% of the male population would give their right arm to have that job.

Oh and propably because very few actually know any players and know how much they work - that whole "they should work 37 hours a week like the rest of us instead of complaing" and "they earn the megabuck" that went on on the fan forums during the strike was just soooo ignorant!
 
Frederik said:
I bet most of the players striking didn't know it either. It could actually seem Spillerforeningen didn't know it themselves either.
Well of cause the players organization knew, maybe they just didn’t explain the cause well in public.

If Dan Arseton and Per Arse didn’t understand what the strike was all about, the should have contacted the Broendby players spokesman so that he could explain the case, well I guess Morten W could have used weeks trying to explain Dan Arseton what was going on.
 
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