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I've been a huge fan of the World Club Championship plans of the past, and I have long wanted it to become an annual event. After a slipup by FIFA a couple of years ago, things didn't look good for the future of the WCC. However, in a big turnaround, a new World Club Championship tournament is now being planned. It will be held in December of 2005 in Tokyo. All six confederations have agreed to send their club champions.

It will be annual, and replace the current World Club Cup which has been played between the champions of South America and Europe most years since 1960. The competition will last 8 days, and involve big money prizes. The European and South American champions will be introduced at the semi-final stage, meaning they will play a maximum of two games. The four other teams will meet each other in a first round knockout match to decide who qualifies for the semi-finals.

Not perfect, but a step in the right direction. :)
 
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Hmm...I just don't know about this. Won't the european champions win all the time? Maybe the SA's might have a team that can compete.
 
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Pulsar36 said:
Hmm...I just don't know about this. Won't the european champions win all the time? Maybe the SA's might have a team that can compete.
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Well Boca beat Milan, but on penalties and Milan weren't even trying because they had important league games to look forward to.
 
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Well Boca beat Milan, but on penalties and Milan weren't even trying because they had important league games to look forward to.
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Milan do not try to won a competition in world level ? Then they really suck as football players...Coming to Play Boca Jrs, losing and saying they not tryied...geez...the old great players Always Tried. No Wonder they did not tried and lost to Deportivo also :rolleyes:
 
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JCamilo said:
Milan do not try to won a competition in world level ? Then they really suck as football players...Coming to Play Boca Jrs, losing and saying they not tryied...geez...the old great players Always Tried. No Wonder they did not tried and lost to Deportivo also :rolleyes:
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Don't get angry JCamilo.

Milan were piss poor and deserved to lose. As for not taking it serious its bull shit. Milan were very serious about that. Boca although not much better on that day caught us on a time when we were going through the worst period of our season. Not taking anything away from Boca as they were the deserved champions. :thumbsup: :cool: :star:
 
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Both this one and the Confederations Cup are superfluous competitions! :rolleyes:

I wish Juventus never took part in it as I don't like the idea at all. Can't FIFA see that the present schedule is already heavy enough as it is for the players? And if I may, there's already enough footy on the telly... do they not fear a loss of interest from stuffed telespectators?

Besides, why would we care about the WCC? I see where the interest of some of the clubs involved stands --they could benefit by this new tournament, perhaps substantially if FIFA allocates a consequent prize-money-- although I hear the G14 isn't too happy with Blatter's baby either.

But us, the fans, should we give a toss and be enthusiastic about a competition that has absolutely no prestige to it, for lack of history, nor any purpose other than filling in the coffers of FIFA?
 
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In the 4th or 5th edition, this will be the most imporant club trophy of the world;)


The World Cup started just like this... with the Euro snobs thinking they would win easily. Then what we see is a domination of South Americans;)

Also, with the sucess of the South American clubs in this competition, many Asian fans will want to view south american football. And just guess were teh sponsors may head;) :D
 
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My reluctance, and I take that of many others, has absolutely nothing to do with the competition being very open between European and South American outfits. Too much football kills football, that's it and that's all.

Btw, your parallel with the WC being (indeed) born at the initiative of a European comittee doesn't make sense since us Eurosnobs do not approve this new competition nor think we'd win easily.
 
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:yawn: This story again?

FIFA members are too bored... this tournament is silly. It was a complete failure in the first edition and it will be again.

Just one data: In Spain, that is one of the countries that live football with more passion in the world, no newspaper has covered those news... there's no interest, nothing. If we can play the Champions League, why do we want to play against the Champion of Asia or the Champion of Australia? With all the respect... but it has no interest.

Besides, the G-14 has already denied the presence of their teams in this tournament and they have denounce FIFA for this impossition.

The dates are from December 11th to December 28th, this is ridiculous. Our clubs are in the middle of the season and, at least in Spain, the players association do not allow its members to play in Xmas time. Last time, I recall that Real Madrid had 2 matches suspended for this idiot tournament and the Spanish FA forgive them to play the first round of Copa. I think that this can not be tolarated again. THERE IS NO DATES IN EUROPEAN FOOTBALL, it's impossible, there is no way to play a thing like this.

If the South American teams want, they can play against the Asians, the Africans and the Australians... but don't count with the big European teams.
 
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With US$ 15 million in prizes, I'm pretty sure that even the teams of the G-14 will enjoy the prizes.

Steph,

Looks like you forget that the home countries never participated of the first editions as they thought they were better than the rest. Just as the Europeans fell.... funny enough the thoughts of superiority does not translate to when the tough gets going.


Btw, with the south americans having a bigger exposure to top competitions (and $$$$) , today even average tradition turkeish clubs can buy our top players, we will be able to retain more talents making it difficult to european clubs to beat us in the future, and give them appropriate football lessons, as we already give in most WC;) :cool:
 
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As always, competitions that take place outside of Europe "don't matter"... or at least that's what the Europeans say, justifying their failure in advance (as the WC and the first WCC have proven repeatedly, Euro teams don't have the bottle to win trophies outside of Europe). :eek:

In december, the Libertadores champ will win the second World Club Cup... and the Euro boys will whine "we didn't even really want that ugly trophy anyway, coz it's a meaningless cup and the grapes are all sour". :D :howler:
 
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Wait there,

You people are not paying attention this will replace the game that already happens. SA and European clubs will have one extra game, so they wont need to open that much date (just probally one more game delayed). It is workable in the sense they can discuss and fix it much better than the 8 teams extra tournament. And Steph, Blatter and most of the FIFA is european, so it really does have more european iniciative than anything. It is not UEFA iniciative however.

But that is typical also, there is not interest to know which one is the better club in the world ? Funny, lets check out the news, the posts here, the gloating players in europe when they declare they are playing or where the best. Just they like to say but only way to prove, playing. There is the interest and 6 teams, with SA and Europe only playing from the semifinal can be worked out and will have tradition because will replace the traditional clash between SA-EUROPE than happens every year(that was created with the european iniciative as well, to claim to be the best in the world, but as well SA turned down it , so there can be the no interest joke about) :rolleyes:
 
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Garrincha said:
As always, competitions that take place outside of Europe "don't matter"... or at least that's what the Europeans say, justifying their failure in advance (as the WC and the first WCC have proven repeatedly, Euro teams don't have the bottle to win trophies outside of Europe). :eek:

In december, the Libertadores champ will win the second World Club Cup... and the Euro boys will whine "we didn't even really want that ugly trophy anyway, coz it's a meaningless cup and the grapes are all sour". :D :howler:
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This is what it all comes down to then, isn't it? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Ze: whom didn't participate in the first editions of what, could you rephrase? :)
 
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JCamillo: The WCC is definitely NOT a European initiative! European clubs are affiliated to UEFA, and not FIFA -two institutions whose respective presidents are in open conflict precisely over matters like the one at hand. The fact that FIFA's president is European is irrelevant, his job ain't to try and defend European interests.

If the goal is to decide who's better between Europe and South America, then only a proper league tournament could do and that of course isn't materially feasible. Quite frankly, I'd rather keep the International Cup as annual meeting as it's played in a single match instead of a game or 3 --that arguably would still not be enough to have its results regarded as ultimate truth-- a slight change that requires everything to be turned topsy-turvy. It's not worth it.

As Koeman said, there are simply no dates available in the schedule that would not hinder the competitiveness of the involved clubs. In any case, the winter break is sacred in Europe -bar England, but they always do things their way!
 
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Garrincha said:
As always, competitions that take place outside of Europe "don't matter"... or at least that's what the Europeans say, justifying their failure in advance (as the WC and the first WCC have proven repeatedly, Euro teams don't have the bottle to win trophies outside of Europe). :eek:

In december, the Libertadores champ will win the second World Club Cup... and the Euro boys will whine "we didn't even really want that ugly trophy anyway, coz it's a meaningless cup and the grapes are all sour". :D :howler:
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There's no failure in advance, because the G-14 teams won't be there. Don't worry. I'm not against this tournament with no reason. But the fact is that there is no dates and I don't want to stop La Liga one month only because Depor, Madrid, NY Metrostars, Corinthians, the Chinese United, and the Friends of Canberra FC are going to play a friendly tournament of 15 million $ in prices. This amount is the minimum you get for playing the CL 1/8 finals.

If you want to do a WCC, then you must take there the best clubs of the world: that means a tournament like the NTs one, something serious... but this WCC is like the Confederations Cup, a joke more similar to a freindly tournament.

do you want a WCC? then invite Milan, Boca Jrs, Arsenal, Sao Paulo, River Plate, Real Madrid, Man U, Aztecas Mexico, Barcelona, Colo Colo, Juventus, Peñarol, Porto, etc. until 32 teams, but do it seriously. You can't call something a WC, when you don't even know the name of the 70% the teams that are going to play and, of course, none of their... let's call it "stars".
 
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steph:

JCamillo: The WCC is definitely NOT a European initiative! European clubs are affiliated to UEFA, and not FIFA -two institutions whose respective presidents are in open conflict precisely over matters like the one at hand. The fact that FIFA's president is European is irrelevant, his job ain't to try and defend European interests.
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I am so sorry, but you just said It is not UEFA iniciative but a iniciative of an european FIFA, so will you say it is not an european iniciative...

As Koeman said, there are simply no dates available in the schedule that would not hinder the competitiveness of the involved clubs. In any case, the winter break is sacred in Europe -bar England, but they always do things their way!
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This is false. One extra date is needed...you can make the club skip the one game in the local cups, this can be planned and this dates do not hurt the x-tmas holidays (it is 11-18).

Koeman4:

There's no failure in advance, because the G-14 teams won't be there. Don't worry. I'm not against this tournament with no reason. But the fact is that there is no dates and I don't want to stop La Liga one month only because
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I bet they will be there because they are greedy, but Koeman, the dates are 11-18, not 11-28. The league wont stop one month as it does not stop already due the game in Japan.

If you want to do a WCC, then you must take there the best clubs of the world: that means a tournament like the NTs one, something serious...
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So, if there is not date, you ask for something with more dates ? The word wordly means little or nothing ? Or just europe, because I am sure people will list 10 europeans clubs. It is a classification for merits, that is all, rather acceptable.

You can't call something a WC, when you don't even know the name of the 70% the teams that are going to play and, of course, none of their... let's call it "stars".
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So, Instead of doing the possible,lets do the impossible , in other word, do nothing ? Because one team of afriaca and one from asia and oceania will play and they are unknow...I mean, not really because everyone go to them to hire their youths and when having something called WORLD you exclude them. Yeah, rather correct...
 
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