Uhm.. I'm sure this has been brought up sometime or another but why doesn't R. Carlos play on the wing? He's about 80% offence - 20% defence, wouldn't he be better suited on the wing?
Why not a winger?
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No. The fact is that RC has showed he needs all the sideline for him alone to deploy all his potential.
Fencing him either in the first or the second half of the pitch would be a mistake. Besides, his deffensive skills -when he decides to defend- are not bad. But the main point IMO is that, playing more advanced, he would lost the effect caused by his sudden addition to the attack. If Roberto receives the ball at full speed he can harm the rival defenders much more easily.
Solari proved to be a perfect partenr for him, but this was because he centered himself a little bit -and cover RC's back. In other words: he was wise enough to get out of Roberto's way!!
Fencing him either in the first or the second half of the pitch would be a mistake. Besides, his deffensive skills -when he decides to defend- are not bad. But the main point IMO is that, playing more advanced, he would lost the effect caused by his sudden addition to the attack. If Roberto receives the ball at full speed he can harm the rival defenders much more easily.
Solari proved to be a perfect partenr for him, but this was because he centered himself a little bit -and cover RC's back. In other words: he was wise enough to get out of Roberto's way!!
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very true gwydno. I also think that he needs the full side to get to this amazing speed he has and that every opposition defender fears. ...and when getting in full speed, he takes it into a cross or shot or whatever, which is really hard to control, if youre not used to.Gwydno said:No. The fact is that RC has showed he needs all the sideline for him alone to deploy all his potential.
Fencing him either in the first or the second half of the pitch would be a mistake. Besides, his deffensive skills -when he decides to defend- are not bad. But the main point IMO is that, playing more advanced, he would lost the effect caused by his sudden addition to the attack. If Roberto receives the ball at full speed he can harm the rival defenders much more easily.
Solari proved to be a perfect partenr for him, but this was because he centered himself a little bit -and cover RC's back. In other words: he was wise enough to get out of Roberto's way!!
also agree on your defensive mark. I too think hes not that bad in defending, as a lot of reporters in german TV are telling
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if he was that terrible, so why hes still in the left back position at Real, indiscutible for 7 seasons now? So why hes won the UEFA award of europe's best defender just this very year? C'mon dagoods take off your pink glasses where you just see Ronaldo with a halo above his head.Maldini03 said:
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Roberto Carlos is an amazing player, my favorite Real player after you know whom and his defensive skills are good. However, with all respect due, he is far from being as the award he's won last year as the best defender in Europe. That's a pure farce and we all know that the main reason he got it was for his offensive contributions coupled with the glamour of playing for Real. Definitely not for his defensive skills which again, are good, but nowhere near to qualify him as the best defender in Europe. As to the best defender (not only in Europe but in the whole world) they both play with the European Champions...
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and his defensive skills are good. However, with all respect due, he is far from being as the award he's won last year as the best defender in Europe. That's a pure farce and we all know that the main reason he got it was for his offensive contributions coupled with the glamour of playing for Real. Definitely not for his defensive skills which again, are good, but nowhere near to qualify him as the best defender in Europe. As to the best defender (not only in Europe but in the whole world) they both play with the European Champions...Cheers.
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He was there because he plays as a left back and has been preferred to pthers playing in the same position. Be a bit more open minded. If, starting from his position, he helps the team oh their attack, it just doubles his value. A different issue is that this would never fit your beloved cattenacciSan Siro said:
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well one can always discuss about awards, fact is that RC is an indiscutible part of RM since 1996 missing just a few single matches when playing with brasil or being suspended.
Fact is that he defined his position new with his style, with his speed, with his power. Hes not only defender, hes a winger and striker all in one player. Hes made the flank to a weapon, undiscovered, unused before. Something that even lead to a new system in european football.
Fact is that one when playing in the right back and has the whole team with you in the back and just a few players infront going counterattacking, you wont look bad when making a mistake cause otheres are there to help you out. In RM you dont have this support, youre alone in back and when making a mistake, youre in trouble and consequently in critics. Thats actually the problem defensive players in RM have. From that point of view Im not very sure if class defenders from Italy can make RMs defense so much better. The key in RM is more in central midfield to win the balls before coming through to the defense.
Another fact is that RC never had the true competition, while Dorado, Jarni, Raul Bravo not even got a hunch of a chance, cause hes doing constantly good efforts.
Of course hes going into offense, and can cause havoc there, and also has the most feared shots and crosses cause uncontrollable when you donno them. But also he does good work in defense, which he does first, always depending how tough his opponent is. Anyone saw how he played Marlet (france international) into the ground in the game against OM?
Fact is that he has the ability to decide a game on his own and hes done that in many important games, an ability just a few defensive players in this world have.
To everyone that has problems with RC, i can just tell you go to the Bernabeu and watch him live, he alone is worth your ticket.
Fact is that he defined his position new with his style, with his speed, with his power. Hes not only defender, hes a winger and striker all in one player. Hes made the flank to a weapon, undiscovered, unused before. Something that even lead to a new system in european football.
Fact is that one when playing in the right back and has the whole team with you in the back and just a few players infront going counterattacking, you wont look bad when making a mistake cause otheres are there to help you out. In RM you dont have this support, youre alone in back and when making a mistake, youre in trouble and consequently in critics. Thats actually the problem defensive players in RM have. From that point of view Im not very sure if class defenders from Italy can make RMs defense so much better. The key in RM is more in central midfield to win the balls before coming through to the defense.
Another fact is that RC never had the true competition, while Dorado, Jarni, Raul Bravo not even got a hunch of a chance, cause hes doing constantly good efforts.
Of course hes going into offense, and can cause havoc there, and also has the most feared shots and crosses cause uncontrollable when you donno them. But also he does good work in defense, which he does first, always depending how tough his opponent is. Anyone saw how he played Marlet (france international) into the ground in the game against OM?
Fact is that he has the ability to decide a game on his own and hes done that in many important games, an ability just a few defensive players in this world have.
To everyone that has problems with RC, i can just tell you go to the Bernabeu and watch him live, he alone is worth your ticket.
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Roberto Carlos is a superb defender. It just doesn't show with Real, our style of play will always leave us exposed at the back. I'm sure even if Nesta was with us our defence would still suffer.
1 - on - 1 Roberto Carlos is actually a really hard defender to get by.
1 - on - 1 Roberto Carlos is actually a really hard defender to get by.
It's understandable that you ask this question because it actually has to do with advanced tactical play.
If RC were a winger, it would be a waste, not just because RC is a capable defender (though this is sometimes compromised since he advances so much), but because it is a terrific advantage to have a surprise attacker on the left wing.
If you made him left wing, then behind him would play a traditional left back, one that couldn't move forward so much, or so effectively. You basically only have one threat on the left wing then.
As it stands, you can have an attacker on the left wing, then have RC come up in sudden support. Just watch other left backs, no other left back moves up with the same consistency as RC. Maldini is certainly effective when he moves up, but his pressure is not as constant nor as creative as RC. Maldini is still a defender first.
Players like RC, Zidane, Raul are important in advanced tactical play because of their ability to create unique attacking problems for the opposition.
I often laugh when people draw up a 442 formation and fill the names of players in and assume that that's all it takes. Actually, this is how I tell who the posters are who are just fanboys and those who truly understand the game.
See, wingers, backs moving up to support the attack, tall center forwards, these are all very basic football strategies. They are applied even at the high school level. But at the top level, for example if you have fast attacking wingers, trust me, you're not surprising any opponent. In fact, your play will be terribly easy to predict.
If RC were a winger, it would be a waste, not just because RC is a capable defender (though this is sometimes compromised since he advances so much), but because it is a terrific advantage to have a surprise attacker on the left wing.
If you made him left wing, then behind him would play a traditional left back, one that couldn't move forward so much, or so effectively. You basically only have one threat on the left wing then.
As it stands, you can have an attacker on the left wing, then have RC come up in sudden support. Just watch other left backs, no other left back moves up with the same consistency as RC. Maldini is certainly effective when he moves up, but his pressure is not as constant nor as creative as RC. Maldini is still a defender first.
Players like RC, Zidane, Raul are important in advanced tactical play because of their ability to create unique attacking problems for the opposition.
I often laugh when people draw up a 442 formation and fill the names of players in and assume that that's all it takes. Actually, this is how I tell who the posters are who are just fanboys and those who truly understand the game.
See, wingers, backs moving up to support the attack, tall center forwards, these are all very basic football strategies. They are applied even at the high school level. But at the top level, for example if you have fast attacking wingers, trust me, you're not surprising any opponent. In fact, your play will be terribly easy to predict.
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true. RC gets his power from his speed and he needs a bit to come to that speed but when in run once you can hardly stop him without doing a foul. He runs the 100m in under 11s what makes him to one of the fastest footballer in this world. Plus thes great technics and a really powerful, inexpectable shot. One of the hardest and fastest in this world cause he throws all his abilities in...technics, power and speed. I can tell you this from experience, as I was almost fired away from one of his bombs :dazed: Since that time I admire everyone that is putting himself in a wall against him when he shoots fks.
Same with his Pks. hes never shooting them, cause he cannot play out all his power and technics. Its too short for him. Same if he was a winger. And hes been before RM several times, in Inter, but he failed there and went to RM for an apple and an egg (german saying for an ridiculous price).
LooL seems he reads in here. Hes shot his 50th Liga goal yesterday to make the win clear for RM.
Same with his Pks. hes never shooting them, cause he cannot play out all his power and technics. Its too short for him. Same if he was a winger. And hes been before RM several times, in Inter, but he failed there and went to RM for an apple and an egg (german saying for an ridiculous price).
LooL seems he reads in here. Hes shot his 50th Liga goal yesterday to make the win clear for RM.
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·if it was just of me, i would give him the ballon d'or, roberto carlos deserved it already last year.
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