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#21 ·
Best 11

Marcos - OK, Taffarel was a great goalie and untouchable for many years, but Marcos had a really great World Cup and I think he was the best goalie of the WC2002.
Cafu - no need to explain the choice since he holds his NT position for 8 years now (and we are speaking about NT, which produces great right backs)
Aldair - very solid, great defender.
Luizinho - another great central defender
Roberto Carlos - read Cafu
Dunga - the great leader of the team with great fighting spirit.
Falcao - player with great technique and great vision
Socrates - natural choice, of course
Zico - one of the finest players in the last 20 years in the world, not only in Brazil.
Romario - how can I forget the great goals he scored in WC94?
Ronaldo - no need to explain the choice of the most talented centerforward in the last 20 years.
 
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#24 ·
Ze, the same happened with Branco, he only lost his spot because he retired...and he was not even better than Leonardo (when Leonardo played as a wing) or not close to Roberto Carlos...
Cafu is one of the most underated players we ever had...Before everyworld cup everyone talk about him as if he is a problem. And he is usually a solution...
 
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#26 ·
ST,


man, your saying I'm worng?? Jorginho asked to retire against Japan in 95. If he was the same age as Cafu he would still be a starter, cause he is much better than Cafu. He dribbles better, had almost the same stamina and could cross properly..... plus his game vision was 10 times better.


Jcamilo,

Parreira was addicted to Branco. But if you recall Branco did lose his place before the wc as the whole country asked to. It was Leonardo that took his place, however it should have been Roberto Carlos. As such, after the world cup Roberto Carlos became a regular and made his name in the NT in the Umbro Cup in 95.

A tournament which Cafu was Bench... and Jorginho a starter;)

Am I still wrong ST?:rolleyes:
 
#27 ·
That is just to show that Jorginho was the starter when Cafu was starting , which was natural. Just saying he was in the bench once is too few, after all De Sordi make Djalma Santos warm the bench as well...
 
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#28 ·
Jcamilo,

Cafu only became a starter when Jorginho retired in mid 95. Before every time Jorginho was called up, Cafu would be sitting on the bench.

The only time when Cafu was a starter (on the top of my mind) when Jorginho was called up, was in a friendly in 93 against Mexico in the middle of teh qualifiers. The rest he was bench every single time.

And if you ask me to choose between cafu and Jorginho, i would choose Jorginho any single day of the week to play in my team;) Not that i'm saying that Cafu was crap, cause he was not, but that Jorginho was in another level of quality ;)
 
#29 ·
Ze,
Jorginho was the starter yes. But to say that Jorginho was better because of that is silly, Jorginho had the "Years of NT" when Cafu did not. (Plus Falcao used Cafu as a starter a lot).
Another thing: Cafu was not even a winger, only in the 94 he decided to move there. The truth is that Luis Carlos Wink was the second winger until he got injuried a few months before.
 
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#30 ·
Falcao was not allowed to call a dozen foreginers. So that argument is very weak. PLus in the Copa America that Falcao went to, the team was known as the "Cafu Era", implying in the mediocraty of the team and the displays of Cafu.

Branco had the "years of NT" and still lost its place to Leonardo in the left back, when Leonardo was already playing in midfield for 3 consecutive years!

Cafu only played in the right wing in 92, 93 onwards he always played as a right back.

And the thruth is, that Cafu only gained the first team spot when Jorginho retired. It was not that cafu gained teh spot because he was techinically superior to Jorginho.

Also, your mixing the positions up.

Lateral direito = Right back or full back
Winger = ponta

Cafu only played as a winger in 92. 93 onwards he was a right back
 
#31 ·
Ze - I am not doubting Little Jorge's qualities but players have their cycle in the yellow shirt and the emergence of Cafu hastened the end of Little Jorge's cycle. Re Branco, I think you will find he wan injured before the Copa and, indeed, was a doubt for the Copa. Fact: if he was fit at the start of the Copa then Loeonardo would have been on the bench. Fact: Branco's shirt number was 6!! Fact: I am older than you and have a better memory!!
 
#32 ·
I never heard the Cafu Era here...

Branco, Ze, was injuried when he lost the position to Leonardo. He was almost cut of the 1994 WC, that is why when he scored his goal against Holland, he run to thank the doctor Lidio that backed up his call. Otherwise i doubt that the conservative Parreira would change anything.

Yeah, I mixed the right back with the winger, but it is true that Cafu was only a right back in 94.
Back that he played in almost every position in the field, even in the left side. Leonardo started to play in the middle when he returned to replace Rai, and that happened in 1993. Not for 3 years. The same logic can be used "Jorginho could only keep the position over a Cafu that played only one year in this position".
In fact, I always think that Parreira could have been more offensive and use Jorginho and Cafu in the right side the way Sao Paulo used Vitor/Cafu...but well...
 
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#33 ·
Ronaldo - no need to explain the choice of the most talented centerforward in the last 20 years.
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by centerfoward do you also mean the best STRIKER? In other words...RONALDO being better than Rummeniege, Kempes (78- through the 80's), Rossi (82- mid 80's), ROMARIO, Batistuta, Klinsman, Careca, Papin, and Van Basten???
 
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#34 ·
ST,

I'm sure you know more about Brazilian football than me:rolleyes:

Do you mind explaining me why Cafu sat on the bench of JOrginho for 3 consecutive years? Please don't say because Jorginho was sort of good looking and Cafu was not!


Branco was good toplay the world cup. When Leonardo was sent off against the USA, Parreira had doubts in his mind if he was really gonna put Branco in the pitch or not. The whole press went wild. That is why when Branco scored that goal agasint the Dutch, he went to hug Parreira for trusting him . That was the goal "cala a boca". Bet that you din't know ST:tongue: ;)


Jcamilo,

Leonardo was transferred to Valencia in 91. When he arrived in valencia he was playing in midfield. When he came back to Sao paulo in 93 he played in midfield. 91 to 94 is 3 years.;)


Cafu started in the middle of the Brasileirao 90 playing as a "meia". In his first game for Brazil against Spain, he played as a right winger. Then as Sao Paulo was bad in the middle ot the tournament and Tele felt that CAfu's techinical abilities were quite raw, he put him as a right back. As such, he started to develop Cafu as a right back since then, and make loads of practices of crossing the ball.

Then Cafu started getting called up by Falcao to play as a RIGHT BACK. He was the sub of Mazinho in Copa America 91, but I think in the first game (against Uruguay) or the second game (agaisnt BOlivia) can't remember which , he came in as a RIGHT BACK. He made awful appereances as the whole team... but his were quite noted and the guy from Globo Esporte, local in Brasilia, labeled the team "The Cafu Era". This was before the memorable game against Argentina, in which i think Cafu was dropped for lack of techinical condition and Falcao placed Mazinho as a right back.

Then Falcao got sacked (Bless the Lord);) ...... that Botafogo manager took cahrge for one game, and then came Parreira. In his first games he used to put Luis Carlos Winck, as Jorginho was a foreigner. But every time he could call Jorginho, he was ALWAYS a starter.

As such, Cafu only played the world cup final , cause Jorignho got injured while play was already underway.

And he was already playing as a RIGHT BACK for Sao paulo for a good 4 years (with a one year break when he played right wing, and played the best footie of his life in the Sao Paulo of 92).

And he only became a starter for Brazil cause JORGINHO RETIRED!!!!

It's a major unanimity within the brazilian footballing community, that if Cafu had some serious competition like Roberto Carlos in the left, he would have left teh team a long time ago. Whoever, his luck is that he was getting more experienced within time and that helps his claim.

Sao Taffarel, as your older and more knowledgable, i thought you may have known that a long time ago.

:tongue: ;) :D :D :D
 
#35 ·
"I'm sure you know more about Brazilian football than me"

Statistically? Yes, no question. Generally? Who knows - you have an advantage as you know the language and thereofre have inside knowledge.

The fact is Jorginho went because his cycle had ended and he had a good/beeter man following him.

You DID get it wroing re Branco. I do agree tho that Roberto Carlos would have been a better bet in Os 22 for the Copa as the reserve.
 
#36 ·
Sao Taffarel

If i was a staticician like you and get every single statitics about brazilian games i would be the same as you if not better.

All i have to do is go to the newsagent and buy a Placar CD Rom with facts and figures that i will have teh same stuff as you, if not better.

ANd about Brazilian football, it's not because i know the language, it's because i know about football in general.

ex: All you talk about his how great Taffarel was with his slip ins in various games, and how good Cafu was. At least in World Cups Cafu rose to the occasion in 98 & 02... cause in between cups he was nothing but average at best.

And ok... pretend Cafu is better than Jorginho.... only you, him and his mother believe you!;)
 
Discussion starter · #40 ·
Always a pleasure reading the greatly informative and heated footie debates in this forum :thumbsup: here's a couple of questions to you experts like Master Zezinho...;):tongue:

Remember that dude Valdo, who played for Paris-SG in the mid-late 90's and was a monster in the midfield of the strongest PSG team ever (the one with the Weah-Ginola-Rai-Ricardo (other Brasilian top notch classy defender)? Was he ever called in to play for Brasil?

Speaking of PSG, why Rai, whom was the captain of Brasil in the beginning of the 94 Cup, was suddenly dropped? He was great with both Sao Paulo and PSG, but what went wrong with Brasil? Is that another of those players that get the dreaded label of "can only play good at club level" like a França or Guilherme have now?

Cheers.:)
 
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