Dribble & Trix :
Comparing Ronaldo and Raul isn´t ridiculous
My friend, We can compare anything. Ridiculous was how it was perfomed here.
Weather he would be chosen to Brazil NT or not is just a ridiculous thing to say and makes this discussion impossible
See what I mean ?
Doc_Rule:
The dutch league is not a fair comparison, it's a very poor league and average players have scored 20plus goals a season in that league, hardly reason to say they are great players.
This for example is ridiculous. It is obvious, since Ronaldo keep his level of scoring at SPanish league and Italian that the reason he scored a lot there was not the weekness of the others.
Btw, When Ronaldo played there Ajax became the best team in the world. And Ajax showed up in all levels that he was good because of their qualities, not because of anyone weekness. Btw, before the middle of 90's the spanish league and Dutch league are very similar. Two great teams (Real, Barcelona, Ajax, PSV) overuled the league with a thrid power with occasional show (Feeynoord, Deportivo for example), It was only in the break of the 90's that others teams like Valencia made the competion in spain to tight up.
Ronaldo has had two great seasons(1996-97 with BARCA, and 1997-1998 with Inter), and this season(goalwise it's very good, performance wise it's only average) while playing in top class football, Raul has consistantly delivered for Real since 1995.
You are clearly biased. Raul did not played in the level he play today since 1995, not in a million of years.
JCamilo has called me unfair, possibly, but i saw Ronaldo at his best on a number of occasions,
Yes, I call you unfair because you do not use the same scale to judge both, you constanly lie to try prove a point and you do not even pay attention to whom you are talking at, being agressive turning against everyone for thing YOU do.
Raul has proven himself time and again for Real, he won two titles and a CL before any of the superstars arrived(well Carlos was there but he wasn't a superstar at the time).
Like this. Roberto Carlso arrived at real as starting of Brazil and two times brazilian champion. And besides him there was Ilguiner, Hierro, Panucci, Seedorf, Redondo and Mihatovic, all of them stars. And 3 of them (Panucci, Seedorf, Redondo) superior even to those names real have today.
scoring goals in a WC isn't a sign of greatness
If scoring in WC is not a sign of greatness, what would be ?
Such bull. Look the list of player that scored more than 10 goals in a WC (Muller, Pele, Kcosis, Fontaine, Klismanns, Lato, Ronaldo, Sweller, Cubillas...sorry if I miss anyone). This list is of such selected quality that let clear: To Score more than 10 goals in WC you need to be GREAT.
Ronaldo has scored maybe 5 good goals in WC and the rest have been tap-ins,
So only 3 tap ins. (The TAP IN Falacy. I wonder if San_Siro ever registered this trademark, he would get rich and could travel to watch our league.
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no individual, with the sole exception of Maradona in 86
Subject for another debate, Maradona was also just the part of team. No one ever won any soccer competition alone.
In terms of what could have been, Ronaldo could(and IMO would) have become one of the all-time great players,
I am glad you are not who decide who will be remembered. I think that Raul and Ronaldo are going to be remembered as the all-time greaters, Raul probally running high for the "best spanish player ever" (without putting likes of Di Steffano and Puskas here). Ronaldo keep writting his story and seems like he is writting very good ones.
If Ronaldo can consistantly score 25plus a season for Real for the duration of his contract, then he will have proven himself as a consistant performer,
If he keep the average goals/game he have now he will do that in the first year. So why to complain for something that did not happened yet. Opinions about the future are fine, but opinions about the future as the truth are lame.
yeah Ronaldo gets to play against Peru, Bolivia and El Salvador, plus Brazil play like 5 matches a year more han European teams due to the qualification system the South Americans have for WC's
See that is unfair. You either lie to prove your point, you try to use opinions without even seraching for facts and you do not consider the simple fact that spain plays against Austria, Farrow Isle, Macedonia, etc as well. If you are honest, you need to start thinking before writting.
Do you realize that Ronaldo NEVER played a single Qualification game for Brazil ? Yes, never. He was not called in 1993. Brazil did not played the Qualification in 1997 and in 2000/2001 Ronaldo was injuried all long.
And before you forget the system, Remember that besides the Qualification for the WC, they play a similar system for the qualification for the EURO, which there is no similar here in SA.
And before you talk about the Copa America, it have few games, just like the final round of EURO and Ronaldo only played it twice, 97 and 99.
And the 50 games in world turn is bull. Cafu is the player that most played for Brazil in the actual team and just recently achived the 100th games limit. If in such short period Brazil had played that number of games he would have done much more.
Henry, Rvn, Crespo, Shevchenko and Trezeguet are currently better than him in terms of all round game, in terms of goals, Henry, RVN, Beattie, and Makaay are all ahead of him this season.However, fit and on-form, only RVN, Sheva and Henry are in Ronnie's class, but Ronnie isn't fit is he
It is fun how you claim Ronaldo will not achive his full potential because of injuries and you actually do a list with injuried players or those like Shevchenko who have more than a 1 years since a regular playing...
PLus, Drible-trix told you and we have those messages here, he is not behind them, actually way close to all of them but RVN who is showing to be the great scorer in europe today was jardel was able to be.
And at 17 he played in Brazil(poor league, not comparible to La Liga, Seria A or EPL) and then he played in the dutch league(again, poor league.
Bull bigoted opinion. I DOUBT you have ever followed the brazilian league to be able to have a decent opinion about that.
The truth is: The Brazilian league during the 90's was as good as EPL, Serie A dropped level and last years have not been clearly superior to brazilian league and only recently La Liga was in the top, clearly.
He is improving and hopefully will continue to do so, but once again i will point out to you that this whole thing started from Kalel or Ze De Fiel or JCAMILO or Brazil_forever saying that he was THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD, and this is something he is clearly not.
I hate lies I hate people who does not consider the others enough to even know to whom you are talking. I never said that here and this thing started when you posted that work of art about Ronaldo goals against lokomotive where the only thing you did was to diss Ronaldo.
1. I'd love to know how I've done anything different in favour of Raul than you have in favour of Ronaldo
Now you do not even pay attention in the extreme moderate posting of Dribble&Trix....
This is annoying and offensive.
