Has Johann Cruyff Gone Blind?

Grinch · Jul 2, 2002

Commenting for the Dutch TV, Johan Cruyff, who has never won a World Cup, declared that "Brasil deserved their victory but France was better in 1998. In the final, contrary to my thoughts, the German team improved as the game progressed and ended up dominating the game".

Cruyff, who didn't explain if he had watched the WC on television or if he had misplaced his eyeglasses before the final, insisted that "This World Cup didn't have any real stars. Germany had a very good team, with Kahn on command. Brazil was never a team, they just took advantage of their opponent's mistakes. Ronaldo deserves no credit for the first goal, it was just a consequence of the errors the German defense and Kahn did. Depite the victory, the name of the Brazilian team won't be remembered in history because they trembled before the Germans, they were scared."

"The German collective game was good, but the team lacked personalities such as Franz Beckenbauer or Gerd Mueller", said the man who was beaten by a "Mannschaft" commanded by the "Kaiser" and by the "Bomber" in the World Cup '74 final, by 2x1. It was Cruyff's own "Clockwork Orange", which was ground into orange juice by the Germans.

Cruyff also praised the football diplayed by South Korea and Turkey.

Has Cruyff gone blind? Or is he taking the same pills as Maradona? :howler: :dielaugh: :googly: :tongue:

milano77 · Jul 2, 2002

.....thats jealousy. :fero:

I respect this guy, more than any other football player. More than Pele and Maradona. now, if he continues like that, he might loose all respect he has earned.

As for Marodona, Don't listen to disgraced drug addicts.

Actually, Cruyff has a point, that the France 98 team was better than this Brazil team. Actually I rate 98 Brazil team better than the French one. Then again this Wc has been below par, compared to the few previous ones.

The rest what he said is pure crap. Rubbish.:yuck:

tottina · Jul 2, 2002

i like him.

Eddy Fräser · Jul 2, 2002

On which points do you guys disagree then?

gOD · Jul 2, 2002

To re-use one of my own favourite quotes

: There are only 2 people in the world that know anything about football: Me and Johan cruyff (in that order).

He's always right :stuckup:

milano77 · Jul 2, 2002

Eddy Fräser said:
On which points do you guys disagree then?

The point I disagree is this.

Brazil was never a team, they just took advantage of their opponent's mistakes

Has he watched the match with England and Turkey (the semi-final ). I can't say he watched the games. I shall say Brazil capitalized on mistakes, but thats not Brazil's fault. Or is that, a crime or a reason to discredit a team which won the WC. Or does he wan't all goals brazil scored should be like the goal Senegal scored against Denmark. One more thing, what does he think abt the 2nd goal Brazil scored in the Final.

Eddy Fräser · Jul 2, 2002

milano77 said:
Has he watched the match with England and Turkey (the semi-final ). I can't say he watched the games. I shall say Brazil capitalized on mistakes, but thats not Brazil's fault. Or is that, a crime or a reason to discredit a team which won the WC. Or does he wan't all goals brazil scored should be like the goal Senegal scored against Denmark. One more thing, what does he think abt the 2nd goal Brazil scored in the Final.

Agree, they have fully taken advantage from their offensive capacities, but that's the only thing they did. It was unorganized, really messy. People running criss-cross through each other, waiting for someone like Rivaldo to make a move. I wasn't really impressed...

milano77 · Jul 2, 2002

Eddy Fräser said:
Agree, they have fully taken advantage from their offensive capacities, but that's the only thing they did. It was unorganized, really messy. People running criss-cross through each other, waiting for someone like Rivaldo to make a move. I wasn't really impressed...

Who told you that they would be solid defensively? Brazil have played like that always. Its always their individuals who have got them all their WCs. If u weren't impressed, then it is ur own opinion. But majority of the World thinks Brazil deserved it.

Tell me which other team deserved it more than them?

Guest · Jul 2, 2002

I saw it and pretty much agreed with him all the way....

CRUYFF RULES!

gOD · Jul 2, 2002

milano77 said:
Tell me which other team deserved it more than them?

I think there is a difference in deserving it and havong a team that is worth being world champion.

I agree that on this tournament Brazil deserved it. with the early eliminations of France, Italy and Argentina they had the most attractive team by far.

But really is this a team that can bear the title "world's best". of course not. Therefore the defence is way to weak and they depend to much on individual skills. Indeed that has always been there game but in 1994 for example they had players liek aldair mazinho and Mauro silva. Class acts who stood firm in defense. The player that comes closest in this team is Lucio who we all saw fail against England.

But most of all Brazil is nothing more than the sum of their individual skills, whereas a true team has something more than that.

Eddy Fräser · Jul 2, 2002

milano77 said:
Who told you that they would be solid defensively? Brazil have played like that always. Its always their individuals who have got them all their WCs. If u weren't impressed, then it is ur own opinion. But majority of the World thinks Brazil deserved it.

Tell me which other team deserved it more than them?

I can and will only give my own opinion.

I think that in the end, Brazil deserved the victory. But I also think that this is more about the (lack of) quality of the other teams...

milano77 · Jul 2, 2002

Now ur arguments are getting clearer. Thats my opinion too. But of the current lot, I see brazil as the best. :star: .

Lifting the WC is not only abt having the best talents in ur side, its abt taking ur chances which Brazil did. The initial Favs France, Argentina and Italy diidn't take their chances, thats why they didn't win it.

If the Wc had been abt the most talented team, then the WC would have been played between a handful of countries.

Hope u see my point. Thats why I am saying the whole thing said by Cruyff is not correct.

sHaHed · Jul 2, 2002

Cruyff Rulz and so does Maradona....hehehehehhe....

Grinch · Jul 2, 2002

Johann Needs Eyeglasses

I still think he misplaced his eyeglasses. Or maybe he misplaced his black glasses and walking cane...

:rollani:

Honestly, to say that Brazil 'was scared' of Germany and that there were 'no stars' in this WC is pathethic. There were no Dutchmen, and most Euro favorites crashed and burned under the weight of their own egos. :wallbang: :googly: But the stars were there, the men who shone and took their teams to the decisive stages: Kahn, Hasan Sas, Ronaldo, Hierro, Ballack, Diouf, and others.

Maybe they're not the stars Cruyff wanted to see, and maybe in Germany it will be more to his liking. We promise to try harder next time, uncle Johann! Now will you teach us how to be a failure in a World Cup? :dielaugh:

maxout · Jul 2, 2002

the people have to remember is that guys like maradona and cruyff are former players, with large egos, that are no longer in prominent positions. Of course, they will say controvesial things so that they get attention. You can't care too much about them.

This brazillian team didn't have the sublime elegance of previous one's in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, but lets be realistic, that is ALOT to live up to. Sometimes I think this whole 'teamwork', 'the most beautiful football the world has ever..." stuff is overrated. The important thing is to win.. Brazil did that. Anybody that is critical of that is just sour.

He was right about brazil being scared (especially ronaldo) they were scared of Khan early on.. but only for a few moments.

Eddy Fräser · Jul 2, 2002

maxout said:
the people have to remember is that guys like maradona and cruyff are former players, with large egos, that are no longer in prominent positions. Of course, they will say controvesial things so that they get attention. You can't care too much about them...

Cruijff is not in a prominent position, because he has chosen to... A lot of people would give a lot to get Cruijff on the pay role.

San Siro · Jul 2, 2002

This is a post i've made in the Brasileiro forum and i thought it to be worthwile to share it here as well...

Cruyff is Cruyff and we all know his volcanic and provocative character. However he does have a valid point when he says that this world Cup has been quite dissapointing and will not be rememebered for long like the previous ones. The previous WC all had some memorable matches that people have been talking or will be taking for years to come after the world cup ended. This WC no. Also, this WC will not be remembered because of great individual brillance as the previous ones.

This is not surprising mainly because the biggest names of the game were not at 100% of their physical abilities due to the ultra-heavy schedule imposed by UEFA to the best players with their respective clubs in Europe. As Platini said today in L'Equipe, France's biggest sport paper, :"At equal physical strength, it is technical abilities that make the difference; at unequal physical strength, technics doesn't mean a thing." Meaning, if you're not fully fit to fight, your technical luggage won't matter much or will it weigh much... How true...

Football has evolved and its now next to impossible to see a team play it all on offensive like the 82 dream team of Brasil. Despite all this, despite this not being the most scintillating Brasil team we've been blessed to enjoy, it was still the team that played the most enjoyable football of all those left in the competition. So in retrospect to how this WC went, Brasil are a worthy winner. As to whether or not they play the most entertaining football in the world or whether they are in absolute the best team in the world, that's another issue widely open to argument ( and for good reasons ).

Gilli · Jul 2, 2002

San_Siro_1 said:
This is not surprising mainly because the biggest names of the game were not at 100% of their physical abilities due to the ultra-heavy schedule imposed by UEFA to the best players with their respective clubs in Europe. As Platini said today in L'Equipe, France's biggest sport paper, :"At equal physical strength, it is technical abilities that make the difference; at unequal physical strength, technics doesn't mean a thing." Meaning, if you're not fully fit to fight, your technical luggage won't matter much or will it weigh much... How true...

This comment is a soreloser's comment with all due respect to Mr Platini. I never heard any of the French complains about the so called heavy-schedule before this WC began, wonder why. As a matter of fact I remember certain people bragging about the threating striking-force with the top goalscorers of Serie A, EPL and the French league, asking who could stop them. The same striking force which scored 0 goals in this WC.

Also if this is a valid explanation then how can you explain the fact this 'heavy schedule' didn't seem to affect guys like Morientes, Raul, Ballack, Hamann, Kahn, Roberto Carlos, Rivaldo, Hasan Sas and etc...are they under the influence of some magic?

maxout · Jul 2, 2002

Eddy Fräser said:
Cruijff is not in a prominent position, because he has chosen to... A lot of people would give a lot to get Cruijff on the pay role.

really? because I thought the reason cruyff is not in such a position is because it is too stressful, and his heart problems would worsen.

Grinch · Jul 2, 2002

Hey, I didn't know Cruyff had heart problems.

Hope it's not too serious. Is that really the reason he isn't working as manager anymore? I thought he had become a TV commentator or something, like Falcao and Junior - after all, there's no reason for a man with his experience to be unemployed, I guess. Ah, well.

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