he was, but Del Piero was even worse. if you don't rate Totti then you'll have to agree that at least spitting on Poulsen, although shameful, never really damaged Italy's chances in any way, since he was suspended after the Denmark match. Del Piero, however, played 3 matches and never looked even remotely dangerous.Nero said:Totti was a spectacular and disgraceful failure in euro 2004, why has he been called up?
Trappatoni's team was built around Totti. So by foolishly getting himself suspended he jeaprodized Italy's entire campaign you biased and unfair idiot. Add to that the damage he did to the image of Italian football by not only spitting on Poulson like a backstreet alley gangster but also attempting a possible career ending tackle on the Danish player, for which he unjustly got off with just a yellow card. And everyone before that was claiming how Totti was going to set the tournament on fire. You make it sound as though what he did was minor.Vagabondo said:he was, but Del Piero was even worse. if you don't rate Totti then you'll have to agree that at least spitting on Poulsen, although shameful, never really damaged Italy's chances in any way, since he was suspended after the Denmark match.
What an ignorant thing to say. Italy played very average against Denmark mainly due to the clown Totti creating nothing and Vieri forgetting how to jump for headers, but still if you go back to the footage you will find that Italy's most dangerous chance came from a Del Piero powerful strike that would have been the game winner if it weren't for that Danish keeper setting his mind on a man of the match performance.Vagabondo said:Del Piero, however, played 3 matches and never looked even remotely dangerous.
Totti was mediocre in the WC2002. Del Piero was used as a sub in three games, coming on in the final 15 minutes and still managed to spare Italy the shame of qualifying to the next round with 2 losses and a meager 3 points.Vagabondo said:They were both equally mediocre at the last world cup, too
Totti wasn't even considered for the 98 World cup because he didn't deserve it, even though he was moving in on 23 years....so don't make it sound as though it was unjust.Vagabondo said:don't forget though, before this, when Totti had never even been considered, Del Piero had already destroyed Italy at the world cup in '98. how did he keep Baggio out of the side . he played most of the France game even though Pagliuca looked more likely to score for Italy. the French should be very grateful to Del Piero for their successes over the last 7 years
veeeery thin ice.. Cassano scored decisive goals, Del Piero did not.kthx said:In the next two matches,Del Piero was much more dangerous than Cassano at times and as dangerous at others even if the latter was able to score. I'm not even going to defend his performances in these two games. At Euro 2004, Italy's failure was down to Trappatoni,Totti, and Vieri in this order.
Indeed, it would be quite ridiculous to try and blame the WC2002 on Del Piero. So instead of blaming it on Totti or Vieri or indeed why not the whole team (it's a team sport, is it not?), many found it convenient to blame it all on a referee.kthx said:Totti was mediocre in the WC2002. Del Piero was used as a sub in three games, coming on in the final 15 minutes and still managed to spare Italy the shame of qualifying to the next round with 2 losses and a meager 3 points.
Yes but why blame the whole team (did someone mention team sport?) when you can have just one scapegoat, that makes it much easier.kthx said:But putting the entire blame on him is just nonsense. His two misses didn't end up in Italy losing 2-1, it was the Italian defense that did.They were supposed to hold the pressure for the remaining minute but they didn't..... it's their fault too that they let in 2 goals in the space of 10 minutes at such a crucial stage.
Quite hilarious if you ask me. Unfortunately the joke is lost on some people..kthx said:Funny how Vieri missed an open goal opportunity against Korea two years later, but was never blamed for Italy's exit (and the score was 1-1 at the time so his goal would have a golden goal, whereas Italy were up 1-0 when Del Piero missed in the Euros) ???
That's quite beside the point. Italy did not lose in 98 because of Del Piero. They lost when Di Biagio missed that penalty. Up until that point, neither Del Piero NOR Baggio sent Italy ahead.kthx said:Totti wasn't even considered for the 98 World cup because he didn't deserve it, even though he was moving in on 23 years....so don't make it sound as though it was unjust.
I disagree, Del Piero hardly had a good game out of the 3 he played. Against Norway he had 3 good chances to score but didn't.kthx said:And again you fail to remember the fact that Del Piero got injured just before the tournament, and the fact that he shared the starting role with Baggio. The only bad game Del Piero had was against France and people make it out like he destroyed Italy, but I also remember Baggio missing a clear volley on goal in the dying minutes...I don't see you bringing that up?