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Most of the time, these two teams play the same formation: 4-2-3-1, but Roma is a much more potent team. In the top 4 players, to be honest, there is not a great difference in quality. Totti is always missing, and Roma must play with lower standard players, but they still keep their playing style which results in stretching the field so far down, creating ounces of space for each of its players. In Fiorentina, the play is slower and the attacking players have significantly less space.

Let's look at the top 4 players to establish equality:

Toni/Totti/Baptista >= Gilardino
Vucinic > Vargas (but stil Vargas is very good and not a reason for this phenomenon)
Perrotta <<< Jovetic
Taddei = Marchionni

I use the >= symbol to show only slight superiority. As we can see, the top 4 is very close in quality.

Is the main difference and the limitting agent on Fiorentina its central midfielders? Is it the quickness and directness of the De Rossi-Pizarro long balls? Meanwhile the Fiorentina mids are much weaker in quality on the ball.

Is this the only difference? What else do you think Fiorentina could have for stronger counters at the level of Roma?
 

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this isn't about points on the leage table, Roma has a clearly better central defence, but only about the transition game.
 

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Champions League.

Mutu various problems.

Btw, werent the roles vice versa in mid autumn, till Roma started their run of form.
 

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Don't try to portray the way Fiorentina play as a failure, far from it. they dominated Milan,Roma and Juve only bad luck and awful ref calls denied them 9 points
 

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Prandelli record against Juventus, Inter,Milan and Roma is spectacularly poor, i think he has something like 3 wins in 40 games.
 

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Don't try to portray the way Fiorentina play as a failure, far from it. they dominated Milan,Roma and Juve only bad luck and awful ref calls denied them 9 points
As regards the game with Juventus the second half was not exactly an example of domination but looked more like a suicide. Fiorentina didn't attack convincingly and allowed Juventus to defend the win without big worries, as if they were not so interested in wasting energies. Typical second half pre-CL.
 

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Montolivo is quickly developing into the best midfielder Italy may have to offer....scary how clueless this player looked till last year and suddenly looks like a man possessed now...the talent was always there, but seems like the head is at rhythm now

Pizarro vs Montolivo is a close call...both very talented and crucial players for their respective teams
but De Rossi >>>> any FIore DMs...Zanetti was pretty good initially, but has faded due to injuries..Donadel is a workhorse, but unfortunately, nothing more...Bolatti is taking more time than expected to adjust
 

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Let's look at the top 4 players to establish equality:

Toni/Totti/Baptista >= Gilardino
Vucinic > Vargas (but stil Vargas is very good and not a reason for this phenomenon)
Perrotta <<< Jovetic
Taddei = Marchionni

I use the >= symbol to show only slight superiority. As we can see, the top 4 is very close in quality.
Obviously there's more to it than individual performers and performances; tactics, automatisms are also very important, or else Roma would never have been able to survive with Perrotta and Taddei as starters. Because individually they're not fantastic, but they work inside a system that they can contribute to. This has been constant throughout Spalletti and Ranieri, while Fiorentina to me has never achieved the same level of coherency. Prandelli is a very good coach, but to me something is clearly lacking in creation. It's been many times against good opposition where we've seen their game plan consist of long balls to Gilardino and...well. If Montolivo continues this trend, then it's possible they gain an extra weapon that can prove useful, but I'm not sure. They're still capable of exploding in isolated games, of course.
 

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always thought Ranieri's Juve as unattractive and hacky as they were had a lot of attacking automatisms, plays developed in training they would constantly use. Perhaps we don't see this at Fiorentina.

And no way is Montolivo better than Pizarro, that is overrating him. He doesn't have equal technique on the ball to him.
 

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For sure Pizarro is better and more valuable than Montolivo, but the comparison is misguided. Montolivo is supposed to be Viola's DDR: their captain; their leader; their midfielder than runs from behind; their midfielder who can shoot from distance; their two-way midfielder.

Their problem is more that instead of Pek next to him, they have Donadel (face palm).
 

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Don't try to portray the way Fiorentina play as a failure, far from it. they dominated Milan,Roma and Juve only bad luck and awful ref calls denied them 9 points
Very well said actually.

They lost either to bad luck or horrible referee calls.

Fiorentina plays a lovely football and has wonderful players.

CL participation and Mutu case have, without a doubt, influenced their Serie A season.
 

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From what I can see, we play better than Roma when Totti is not on the pitch.
Our problem isn't the football. Our problem is winning games. The question should really be 'why can't Fiorentina win games like Roma?' Then you'll be asking a deeper question.
 

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don't agree at all

even without totti roma has much more space created for itself, and can score almost any game they want
 

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Thats because Roma are more a counter team nowadays anyway. We are more defence minded, and thats probably why we get better results than Fiorentina who actually suck at defending, especially when Gamberini is injured..
 

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Random thought: how the hell can the most bland player in the entire world, completely void of personality and character, be made captain of a team like Viola? For sure they're not Barcelona, but they're a relatively big team aiming to become much bigger, it's inhumane to have as their leader someone who would back down from an argument with a bee.
 

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Actually very suprised when I saw he was captain against us, is he usual captain now? Because they sold Dainelli? Because Gamberini is injured and Mutu suspended? Frey was on the pitch though.
 
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