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to spice this place up. interestingly in marca its 55% towards Cantera. many romantics voting i guess.

value for money i think Cantera is better.
 

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well all thats better in the transfers XI is the defence, otherwise the cantera squad hasnt got a problem competing. and 2 of the cantera players are in uefa cup quarter finals as well as copa finals (pivotal roles), which says a lot more compared to where the transfers have taken us this season. and another player is in the quarters of the CL whilst another nearly single handedly put his team in the copa final (mata).

again i dont think the difference between the two teams is uefa and CL like you said Mo (barring defence as i said earlier)
 

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You need a strong defense if you want to push for CL football, that was the basis of my statement. Pepe, Heinze and Metzelder are very good defenders, miles better than anything in that Cantera defense.

That Cantera team is very good but would leak too many goals to finish in the top four.
 

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Obviously the best way is to have a balanced mix, but in recent years we buy 8+ players every season and not giving our youngsters a slight chance.
The fact we're paying 27m for Sneijder or 20m for Gago and selling DLR for 4m is both bad football move and bad business move.
1 for 1 the transfers team are better, but i agree with you Redhat that value for money the Cantera is better.
 

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Mata/Soldado/Negredo > Saviola
DLR/Granero > Sneijder/Baptista

I'm not saying we shouldn't buy anyone, that will be ridiculous. But from all this summer buys only Pepe turned out to be worthy with Heinze also but with a lesser impact.
All the rest didn't live up to the money payed for them.
 

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and this summer it was supposed to be the dutch revolution... what a revolution :D
 

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we should easily get benefit from players like Javi Garcia , De la Red and Arbeloa just like what happened with Miguel Torres which his quality is not better than them ,

what I want to say , we can get benefit from cantera players atleast as a Squad players !
 

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But from all this summer buys only Pepe turned out to be worthy with Heinze also but with a lesser impact.
You forgot Drenthe.
 

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You forgot Drenthe.
Oops my bad... I like him, he is a player with bright future and we should have used him more this season. The problem is that Schuster only playing with 1 winger which leaves Drenthe to fight for a starting spot against Robinho and Robben. If Schuster knew that the system he was going to use then there was no point buying 2 wingers this summer.
 

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I voted for the Fichajes, by the way.

Just to be clear, I voted by what the question asked and that's which starting XI I prefer. I'm ignoring prices paid and stuff, just looking at the players.

Like Mo said, that defense is AWFUL. Torres at CB? Alongside MEJIA!?! No thanks.
 

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lol this thread is funny

I dont know why we over rate the cantera players , if there is any crystal clear talent then it would have been spotted
 

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Raulito

you can´t be serious can you? Your ignorance is astonishing sometimes, if Madrid has a place for Sneijder, Batista, Raul and Salgado I´m sure it should have a place for youth. I´m sure is a money issue, RM transfers generate a lot of money for a lot of people.
 

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Raulito

you can´t be serious can you? Your ignorance is astonishing sometimes, if Madrid has a place for Sneijder, Batista, Raul and Salgado I´m sure it should have a place for youth. I´m sure is a money issue, RM transfers generate a lot of money for a lot of people.

dont be stupid

i was comparing the above teams above and ofcourse the (TRANSFER) team is much better. without even adding Robinho and Robben

iamnot comparing a single individual stupid boy ... learn to read

ps: Raul is RMs captain and scored 20 goals this season i dont know what you ****in arguing about
 

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Raulito the only stupid one is you, you said..

"if there is any crystal clear talent then it would have been spotted"

there are many examples to show you are clueless, not once you said the team but talent! Madrid has had a great deal of talented youth yet they were never spoted or given a chance, there was never the need to buy players of Baptista quality with the youth you had.

A great example is Portillo who had his caree wrecked by Madrid, the guy did not have a lot of confidence but technicaly he was very good, he would be the perfect bench striker for Madrid.
 

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Raulito the only stupid one is you, you said..

"if there is any crystal clear talent then it would have been spotted"

there are many examples to show you are clueless, not once you said the team but talent! Madrid has had a great deal of talented youth yet they were never spoted or given a chance, there was never the need to buy players of Baptista quality with the youth you had.

A great example is Portillo who had his caree wrecked by Madrid, the guy did not have a lot of confidence but technicaly he was very good, he would be the perfect bench striker for Madrid.
I mean by talent a player like Messi , C.ronaldo ,RAUL,IKER who were cantera players .........

Portillo! you said it dumbo .... bench player i dont mind to say that cantera players would be good on the bench
 

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I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle, the Cantera players don't need to see themselves as inferior to the fichajes, obviously it differs for individual (Pepe for example is way ahead of Mejia) but Real have really been negligent to the Cantera and its talents. The players were not finished but they were not bad, however very little opportunities were given. Obviously you can't expect them to always start but I always thought VdB struck a very good balance and gave the better players of the Cantera minutes and let them grow in there football.

For me for example De la Red doesn't have to envy Sneijder in his football and can challenge him as much for a team, but De la Red is in Getafe whilst Sneijder cost €27m. Mata as well can hold himself against Baptista.
 

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I think the answer lies somewhere in the middle, the Cantera players don't need to see themselves as inferior to the fichajes, obviously it differs for individual (Pepe for example is way ahead of Mejia) but Real have really been negligent to the Cantera and its talents. The players were not finished but they were not bad, however very little opportunities were given. Obviously you can't expect them to always start but I always thought VdB struck a very good balance and gave the better players of the Cantera minutes and let them grow in there football.

For me for example De la Red doesn't have to envy Sneijder in his football and can challenge him as much for a team, but De la Red is in Getafe whilst Sneijder cost €27m. Mata as well can hold himself against Baptista.

I think DLR is a good player. but playing for Getafe is different from playing for Madrid , I'd prefer to wait until he shows us something


Baptista : I swear I can control the ball and pass better than he does
 

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Raulito

a team is not built around Messi´s and Robinho´s, Red has nothing to prove when you have what you have starting in Madrid. But as I said its a question of making money and of course paying 30M for Baptista is a better deal.

As for Portillo, let me say with current striker options he would start, but people choose to ruin his career by loaning him out to weak clubs around europe untill he was sold. He could have been the next Raul but actually a true RM player, that came through Madrids ranks.

Some people claimed that it was pressure from team leader and captain Raul, that Portillo did not get much game time. Portillo was predicted to become the new and better Raul, but lack of playing time put an end to that comparison.
 
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