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What some good scouts can do ...
SC Heerenveen could easely take the title of 'Club with the best scouting network and most healthy buy and sell balance'. The last couple of years Heerenveen had bought and sold strikers like Ruud Van Nistelrooij, Klaas Jan Huntelaar, Afonso Alves, Marcus Allback, Giorgios Samaras, and now Miralem Sulejmani.

Time to make a balance:

Jon Dahl Tomasson
Bought for: €0 (Köge BK)
Sold for: €3.900.000 (Newcastle)
Balance: +€3.900.000

Ruud Van Nistelrooij
Bought for: €1.575.000 (FC Den Bosch)
Sold for: €7.000.000 (PSV Eindhoven)
Balance: +€5.425.000

Marcus Allback
Bought for: €1.100.000 (Örgryte IS)
Sold for: €3.000.000 (Aston Villa)
Balance: +€1.900.000

Klaas Jan Huntelaar
Bought for: €900.000 (PSV Eindhoven)
Sold for: €9.000.000 (AFC Ajax)
Balance: +€8.100.000

Georgios Samaras
Bought for: €0 (OFI Crete)
Sold for: €8.500.000 (Manchester City)
Balance: +€8.500.000

Lasse Nilson
Bought for: €625.000 (IF Elfsborg Boras)
Sold for: €3.000.000 (Saint Etienne)
Balance: +€2.375.000

Afonso Alves
Bought for: €4.500.000 (Malmö)
Sold for: €16.000.000 (Middlesbrough)
Balance: +€11.500.000

Miralem Sulejmani
Bought for: €300.000 (Partizan Belgrade)
Sold for: €16.250.000 (AFC Ajax)
Balance: +15.950.000

Gianni Zuiverloon
Bought for: €500.000 (Feyenoord)
Sold for: €4.000.000 (West Bromwhich Albion)
Balance: +€3.500.000

And we all know Danijel Pranjic and Michael Bradley will be the next ones to add to this list. Even more, it seems Monaco is ready to pay €8.000.000 for Bradley, while Heerenveen signed him on a Bosman 2.5 years ago.

So if we talk about great management, SC Heerenveen is an example to follow for smaller clubs :thumbsup:
 

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Yeah, they've been amazing with their scouting and they know when exactly to sell a player. It's astonishing, but I wish Feyenoord were a bit more like Heerenveen in this aspect.

Getting their coach is step 1. :)
 

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Yeah, they (or rather Riemer vd Velde) are pretty good at that.

Slight minus point about Heerenveen is that they haven't produced 1 local player from their academy who's really broken through their first team in the past 10 years! only Geert Arend Roorda lately seems to be breaking the trend.


ps: not to be a bijdehand but they sold Tomasson to Newcastle plus we sold Zuiverloon for 500k :proud: :pp
 

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Hmm, first post in World Football since my barring, and it's going to be this? Oh well.

Anyways, what I wanted to say was, they may be getting rich, but they're not getting successful. What have they won in the past few years? It seems they're selling the players too soon, or they can't get a good cohesion of good players, only a superstar and 10 randoms who manage to not get them relegated.
 

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Hmm, first post in World Football since my barring, and it's going to be this? Oh well.

Anyways, what I wanted to say was, they may be getting rich, but they're not getting successful. What have they won in the past few years? It seems they're selling the players too soon, or they can't get a good cohesion of good players, only a superstar and 10 randoms who manage to not get them relegated.
stay barred :pp

They were a nothing 2nd division side 14 years ago with less than 8000 fans.

Today they're a side which always qualifies for UEFA Cup football and which on average attracts 27000 fans (and quite possibly more if they increase their capacity)
 

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Good management but still a big turn-off as a club. Their far right tendencies and their adoration of Abe Lenstra :)yuck:) would make me stay away from the club as far as possible.

Why not mention FC Twente then? They accomplished even more and also did it without incredible spendings... Unless I am missing a few players I cannot recall them having spent anything like the top teams.
 

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I dont know if this is a little snipe at England's scouts.

But in actual fact, that is a poor example of scouting. If you look at the transfers,theyve always had to pay for a player.. meaning hes performing at another club.

The true scout is able to pick out a future quality player at the age of 9, and pay nothing for them.

Therefore, the best scouting clubs in the world, are probably English. Leeds and West Ham are key examples.Everything is pure profit for clubs like that. We paid 18 million for rio ferdinand, how much profit did West Ham make.. 18 million.Thats true scouting.
 

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Heerenveen are definitely doing a outstanding job with their scouting and that's why I like them. Mikis and Afonsos transfers are exaggerated though.
 

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I dont know if this is a little snipe at England's scouts.

But in actual fact, that is a poor example of scouting. If you look at the transfers,theyve always had to pay for a player.. meaning hes performing at another club.

The true scout is able to pick out a future quality player at the age of 9, and pay nothing for them.

Therefore, the best scouting clubs in the world, are probably English. Leeds and West Ham are key examples.Everything is pure profit for clubs like that. We paid 18 million for rio ferdinand, how much profit did West Ham make.. 18 million.Thats true scouting.
Is it **** a poor example, they've still managed to spot potential, nurture it, and profit from it.
 

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Hmm, first post in World Football since my barring, and it's going to be this? Oh well.

Anyways, what I wanted to say was, they may be getting rich, but they're not getting successful. What have they won in the past few years? It seems they're selling the players too soon, or they can't get a good cohesion of good players, only a superstar and 10 randoms who manage to not get them relegated.
Yes but their proceeds from transfers have enabled them to sustain the club at a higher level than they would naturally be at. They can afford the wages of their squad and by selling one player for a lot every now and then, they can keep other key players.
 

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Is it **** a poor example, they've still managed to spot potential, nurture it, and profit from it.
Which is harder ?

Spotting a player with potential at 9 and nurturng it, teaching him the ways of footballing, keeping his life on track and turning him into a top class player ?

Or buying a player from an underated league whereby the player knows everything about football, is already a professional and leads the life of a footballer already (therefore needs no time to teach him the ways)?

They dont particulary teach them anything.. its like a shop... They move their stock from the backroom ( a worse league) to the shop window ( a better league) and watch the customers roll in.
 

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Good management but still a big turn-off as a club. Their far right tendencies and their adoration of Abe Lenstra :)yuck:) would make me stay away from the club as far as possible.

Why not mention FC Twente then? They accomplished even more and also did it without incredible spendings... Unless I am missing a few players I cannot recall them having spent anything like the top teams.
:confused:

Twente have been up and down in the last decade though but yeah Jan Vennegoor, Arnold Bruggink, Collins John, now Orlando Engelaar...they haven't done too badly
 

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I dont know if this is a little snipe at England's scouts.
How? :confused: don't get so defensive :D

Man I wish Feyenoord was run like Heerenveen

La_Fadabeilo said:
Therefore, the best scouting clubs in the world, are probably English.
Lets not be silly. Ajax and Sporting are the best in Europe.
 

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FC Porto - since 2000 (only the big ones)

Jorge Andrade
Bought for: €0 (CD Estrela Amadora)
Sold for: : €13.000.000 (Deportivo la Coruna)
Balance: + €13.000.000

Mario Jardel
Bought for: €2.000.000 (Gremio)
Sold for: : €16.000.000 (Galatasaray)
Balance: + €14.000.000

Helder Postiga
Bought for: €0 (Porto junior)
Sold for: : €9.375.000 (Tottenham)
Balance: + €9.375.000

Paulo Ferreira
Bought for: €2.000.000 (Vitória Setubal)
Sold for: : €20.000.000 (Chelsea)
Balance: + €18.000.000

Deco
Bought for: €8.000.000 (SC Salgueiros)
Sold for: : €21.000.000 (Barcelona)
Balance: + €13.000.000

Pedro Mendes
Bought for: €0 (Vitória Guimarães SC)
Sold for: : €4.500.000 (Tottenham)
Balance: + €4.500.000

Ricardo Carvalho
Bought for: €0 (Vitória Setúbal FC)
Sold for: : €30.000.000 (Chelsea)
Balance: + €30.000.000

Carlos Alberto
Bought for: €2.500.000 (Fluminese)
Sold for: : €10.000.000 (Corinthians)
Balance: + €7.500.000

Derlei
Bought for: €1.000.000 (Corinthians)
Sold for: : €7.500.000 (Dynamo Moscow)
Balance: + €6.500.000

Maniche
Bought for: €0 (Benfica)
Sold for: : €16.000.000 (Dynamo Moscow)
Balance: + €16.000.000

Costinha
Bought for: €1.000.000 (Monaco)
Sold for: : €4.000.000 (Dynamo Moscow)
Balance: + €3.000.000

Geirgios Seitaridis
Bought for: €3.000.000 (Panathinaikos)
Sold for: : €10.000.000 (Dynamo Moscow)
Balance: + €7.000.000

Hugo Almeida
Bought for: €0 (Porto Junior)
Sold for: : €3.500.000 (Werder Bremen)
Balance: + €3.500.000

Anderson
Bought for: €5.000.000 (Gremio)
Sold for: : €31.500.000 (Manchester United)
Balance: + €26.500.000

Pepe
Bought for: €2.000.000 (Maritimo)
Sold for: : €30.000.000 (Real Madrid)
Balance: + €28.000.000

Bosingwa
Bought for: €1.000.000 (Boavista)
Sold for: : €20.500.000 (Chelsea)
Balance: + €19.500.000

Ricardo Quaresma
Bought for: €6.000.000 (Barcelona)
Sold for: : €25.000.000 (Inter Milan)*
Balance: + €19.000.000

Overall Balance: + €248.875.000
 

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And since when was Carlos Alberto sold to Chelsea?

It was Corinthians, I know Chelsea is the reason you got most of that ridicolous money, but they arent behind ALL of it :pp
 

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Why not mention FC Twente then? They accomplished even more.
Like what :confused:

Porto is also indeed a great example of a club with a great buy / sell balance :thumbsup: And apart from that they keep on succeeding to outclass the other Portuguese team and perform good in the Champions League.
 

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Which is harder ?

Spotting a player with potential at 9 and nurturng it, teaching him the ways of footballing, keeping his life on track and turning him into a top class player ?
these have nothing to do with scouting, that is coaching.
do west ham not have an academy where 9 year olds go and they can quite easily find out which ones are best anyway? this is not scouting to me either. if you bring in as many people as the academies do you are pretty likely to find some good players.
so I would say that scouting for players around the world is harder.
 
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