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The Champs semmed as if they would go undefeted for a second season. And then all hell broke loose and they can't even beat the push over teams. Any ideas why one of the best teams in the premireship can't play what most of us call socer or football?
 

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Well it all started when they came to Old Trafford and went home bitching... Life hasnt been the same for the Champs!
 

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Injuries and the usual Black November we always go through. Nothing unusual about playing like shit in November for us.
 

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Btw we've only lost a single game thus far.


Still six months left so enjoy mocking the champs while you can.
 

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Because those so called easy beats simply aren't that,They more credit than they're given.they play out of their skins and have nothing to lose.The respect they earn is exactly what they deserve and it's no disgrace losing to them every now and again.
 

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Tunis4life said:
Btw we've only lost a single game thus far.


Still six months left so enjoy mocking the champs while you can.
:thmbup: :thmbup:
 

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Because those so called easy beats simply aren't that,They more credit than they're given.they play out of their skins and have nothing to lose.The respect they earn is exactly what they deserve and it's no disgrace losing to them every now and again.
Them also sticking eight men across the pitch as far back as possible helps a little. Also, they can do it easier at Highbury because it's the thinnest pitch in England. They wouldn't be able to do it as successfully at Anfield because it's so much wider than Highbury is.

Bolton have been doing it for years, everyone else is catching on now.
 

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khimik, everyone's been doing it for years, it's just Bolton have got a couple of results doing it. :shades:
 

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not consistently they weren't , they wasn't even in the division when Martin O'Neill was at Leicester :pp
 

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Speaking of Leicester, do you remember a few seasons back when they were top of the league going into either October or November and ended up getting relegated? That was hilarious.
 

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not really, but i remember they had the tosser Peter Taylor managing them so anything is possible ;)
 

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The last time I checked, Arsenal had only lost one game in all competitions this season- bankrolled by none other than Mr Mike Riley.

They will sort Chelsea out next month at Highbury and their Champions League destiny is still in their own hands as they will demolish Rosenborg and make the last 16.

The Champs haven't gone anywhere. They are just going through their usual bad patch in November and are dealing with a lot of injuries.
 

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good post , El Fenomeno, last night although bad was still encouraging because it wasn't the lack of class that was on show but our nervousness in not going out the CL, we showed at times that the confidence with the ball is coming back.

I'll go out on a limb and predict the true Arsenal to show up at Anfield this week, i can feel it. :D
 

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Please show some respect to Bolton. When was the last time we put 8 behind the ball. You just can't accept that Bolton has managed to get some result from Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool, :ass:nal in such a short time.
 

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Please show some respect to Bolton. When was the last time we put 8 behind the ball. You just can't accept that Bolton has managed to get some result from Chelsea, Man U, Liverpool, :ass:nal in such a short time.
This season and last season. Bolton's tactics were seven across the middle with long balls to Davies and Pedersen. Flood the pitch is all they ever do at Highbury, and it takes no real tactical nouse to work that out with Highbury being the thinnest pitch in English professional football.

BTW, back supporting Bolton again? What happened to Liverpool? :rollani:
 

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Interesting article

http://arsenal.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=880&p=2&stid=8366381

By LordHillWood
Date: 26/11/2004

By LordHillWood
Date: 26/11/2004

Doctor Hillwood diagnoses the symptoms of our malady "Comfort Zonitis" Watching matches twice is always a benefit, as the first time you are too stressed out to really see the detail of what is really happening.

Doctor Hillwood diagnoses the symptoms of our malady "Comfort Zonitis"

Watching matches twice is always a benefit, as the first time you are too stressed out to really see the detail of what is really happening.

Ignoring the referee in the PSV game as since when did any English sides get any favours from German refs in away games anyway.

Ralph's silly gesture and its booking should have been enough for them all to know any bad tackle was going to be punished. Let's look at what the problem really is and not just in Europe but in the premiership as well.

The evidence is we have an inability to defend set pieces, we are disorganised in front of our own goal. The fact Lehmann has to tell forwards where to stand and who to pick up at corners and free kicks says more about why we have the problem, than the problem.

The fact an experienced international midfielder lines up for a corner standing on the wrong side of his man, who he promptly loses and the guy scores. Not to mention by looking at Van Bommel it was obvious from the position he took and his body shape to see it was going to be a near post in swinger.

Gilberto, who has been much maligned has used his great ability to protect these situations, but actually its more than that, his ability has concealed these problems.

His absence lays it all open for anyone to see - if Brian Robson can see it anyone can.

It is obvious we have a problem of comfort zonitis, both in management and in the team. They obviously don't do any defensive training - the evidence is clear as they don't know who to pick up, defending is shoddy, they don't read situations.

Opposing fans say Wenger is blind, but all managers faith in themselves and their tactics are the last thing they question if they question them at all, ask united fans about Fergie's ability to do that.

For 49 games these tactics worked, players got away with not defending well as Gilberto cleared up the trash. Our attack first and first again, and ability to capitalise on our opponents fear of our pace, movement, speed and accuracy of passing and the results, seem to have given Wenger extreme comfort that our defensive shortcomings are not a weak link.

This comfort obviously convinced him not to bother to buy a centre half in the summer. The speed and accuracy and movement also took physicality out of the game when playing us, now it has been reintroduced.

Pace, movement, accuracy, speed where are they now? The Arse ponder too much on the ball, passes are slower less accurate, there is no movement. The number of free kicks we get has halved if you look at the stats. Why, because most of these fouls were created by our speed of passing, the ball had gone before the tackle connected.

That means we now allow the other team to close us down quicker and harass us on the ball, inevitably this means losing possession instead of getting advantage played from a foul or a free kick.

It also means we don't stretch and pull other teams out of position and this allows them to squash the game and close us off. The lack of speed and movement also guarantees more physical exchanges and injuries and loss of possession.

Does the weather affect our style of play, well it may contribute in heavier slower pitches but hell, these guys are professional international players it shouldn't affect them.

The comfort zone in the team transmitted by the manager, and the teams own thinking is the huge factor in our inability to hold on to leads, to beat Palace, West Brom or allow Spurs 4 goals, or to the draw in Athens and Eindhoven.

Let's look at the situation - we don't buy a centre half exposing us to Cygan entering the fray, if Sol or Kolo get injured.

Cygan isn't a bad player, just unlucky, but he engenders nerves to the rest of the defence and the goalie. Hence what happens, we defend too deep, the gap between the midfield and them is too long and we invite the opposition on to us, to challenge and harass us which stops us passing and moving at speed.

Also Lehmann doesn't want to come out and catch crosses and command his box like he usually does. He is nervous of bad defending as well, so more crosses get in our box than did before opening us up to conceding especially at dead balls because we don't train to defend.

Then we have the midfield. The comfort zone here is so luxurious that is the equivalent of lounging in a really expensive suede sofa being fed grapes by a naked page 3 girl whilst receiving a massage from a naked Miss World and reading a letter from the bank saying Arsenal just paid you another 240,000 quid for the month.

The midfield in Gilberto's absence doesn't protect the defence or can't as this aspect is not their strongest forte.

Even when Gilberto is there, Mr Pires leaves Ashley Cole more exposed than a female porn star with her legs at a quarter to three, since his injury Pires has bottled tackles and 50:50 situations and it's clear to see.

Freddy tries his best and always gives 110% but defending isn't his game. Patrick Vieira where are you? You are playing next to a genius of a 17 year old, but a 17 year old who is diminutive and therefore not a physical player.

Why aren't you supporting him, why for 45 mins against PSV did you decided to let him go and get the ball and not position yourself to give him an option to lay the ball off.

Cesc is a kid and a brilliant one, at that we can't criticise him, he will grow physically and mentally and improve much more.

Patrick seems disinterested and hesitant and is constantly caught in possession at critical moments, one has to say on current form the 25 million offered by Real Madrid is looking a better deal day by day.

Wenger never criticises PV above all other players, why hasn't PV been told "when you were injured we played better, more fluently and won" and Cesc made you look like a sad old has been.

Why hasn't Wenger pointed out he is the captain
yet there seems to be more morale raising and encouragement from Fred and TH than him. Perhaps repeated viewing of Real Madrid's shirt- less tattoed fascist reception committee may awake him out of the slumber zone, better still when Edu is fit drop him remove the arm band, and tell him failure to compete means he will be sold. No one is bigger than the club, would Ferguson or Mourinho accept such bland, inept, non committal performance from say, Keane or Lampard without a right kick in the proverbials?

We all know that answer, again comfort zone ruling player and manager.

The comfort zone is this bad, Pires is so sure he won't be dropped or sold, his performances depend on his mood, we can't afford his PMT (pre match tension) the question is, should he be sold? He is 31 and has not got over a serious injury mentally, won't and can't tackle, and disappears.

No doubt Ashley Cole would like to kick his lazy arse.

Anyone wondering why Cole has improved so much as a left back, this is it, he has to defend for Pires as well.

My view is this needs breaking and selling Pires for 5-7 miilion or exchanging him for a really good centre half would be better for Arsenal.

It also tells the rest of the team no one is safe. We have Reyes, Pennant, Smith, Edu, Flamini, and Gilberto who can all play in midfield.

This comment may provoke a lot of you to think I am mad, but read on and you will see why I say this.

We are Arsenal and we can't keep players past their best and who live off former glory. Why, we need to keep winning in the UK and we need to start winning in Europe.

Not just for the glory of maintaining the Wenger years but to pay for Ashburton grove and wages.

The comfort continues both from the manager and the team, the forwards next. Reyes looks shagged out and isn't performing, he needs to be dropped and told to buck his ideas up and also to train harder to build up his upper body to withstand the more physical English game.

If someone with his pace and skill can't humiliate Gary Neville then he shouldn't be in our first side.

Then we come to Thierry Henry who consistently saves our arses, but he has his contribution to the comfort zone and his faults too. The other players expect too much of him, the other players leave too much up to him.

He is their security blanket, its time TH took it away and demanded more of his team mates.

Despite this his belief in his amazing abilities sometimes overrides his judgement, how many times has he taken a touch too many, or tried the incredible when a side foot pass would get a goal for a team member.

How many times have we seen the defence and midfield battle like hell to get the ball back and for his poor layoff put the defence straight back under pressure.

The last point of the players comfort zone is they created so many chances in the past they didn't need to be as clinical as a scalpel in their finishing, now the chances are less and they don't take them.

In other words in the unbeaten run some teams ravaged 4 or 5-1 should have been beaten by 8, 9 10 goals but our finishing wasn't up to scratch.

Hence why we fail to win in Europe where defending and goalkeeping are better and chances are fewer, we don't take them so we draw or worse still lose.

Look at the Panathanaikos, PSV and Rosenberg games, we had enough clear chances to score at least one more goal more likely two, however we didn't, we finished badly and over elaborated and the chance evaporated. Therefore we drew.

So the comfort zone of the manager and the players is why we are struggling to win games, and hold leads here is the final and most severe comfort zone issue. Team selection and managerial attitude contributing to our malaise

The comfort Wenger has with his over riding confidence in his team and players is admirable, but our midfield in Europe has been sporadic to say the least over 7 years in the champion's league. This affects our defence as I stated above and our inability to stop over elaboration and take the majority of chances is why we have failed to match our aspirations in Europe.

We cannot select teams romantically in a slavish fashion to attractive football and think that other teams won't see our deficiencies and exploit them. Half the battle is defence and the other 15% is the midfield protecting the defence and stopping the opposition pressurising or opening the defence whilst at the same time supplying the forwards. If the comfort zone extends to not criticising players who don't play well, are displaying selfish or non committal attitudes then it's obvious the circle will not be broken.

Our appalling past disciplinary record only ended when Wenger was forced by the board to criticise them and did something about it, he broke the circle. He now needs to break the circle by removing the comfort zone from all of them.

He need to break his own comfort zone, I don't believe Pat Rice an experienced ex defender hasn't said anything on the defence issue to Le Boss, but they need to take action in their attitude, training, the transfer market, and in selection.

The midfield needs more solidity, playing Vieira in front of the back four with Edu and Cesc/Flamini/Clichy in front with Reyes, Fred, Pennant as a free floating wide player with Ralph/Hoyte and Ashley/Clichy having the option to come forward is far more safety first but still attacking and safer than Bob Pires letting the oncoming player have a free run in to the space created by Ashley being caught up the pitch and Bob not covering.

It also gives us far more many options for subs who can affect results and the ability to switch to 4-4-2 anytime we want.

Up front we need to be more clinical and more direct, no not hoofing to them, but look at Eto why is he scoring bundles, because he takes the ball early and doesn't pfaff about. The goalie has no chance provided he hits the target.

The comfort zone needs to be burst by the new idea no one is guaranteed a first team place, by the youth team who need their chance and who would have won at palace, west brom and probably PSV too.

Those who don't like it need shipping out, those that are past their best need their morale increasing and their role changed or to be lodged in to the reserves.

We need to revitalise the team, be big enough to put subjective personal belief to one side and examine the evidence. The facts proved by the evidence are we need like an alcoholic to admit we have a problem before we can solve it. The biggest joke is that despite our bad team selection, poor defending, under achieving players and nerves we are still second in the league, and still in the Carling and FA cups and the Champions league.

If Wenger can find his magic hat and see this and take action we may just win the lot, if he doesn't or can't, we may win the league or come second and get to the champs league again, but we won't succeed in Europe.

No successful manager ever prolonged that by not analysing their own teams faults and their own faults and acting on it and changing for good that which is bad or improving that which can be better. Time we forgot those 49 games and looked forward to the next one.
 

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I find that article completely snidey and ridiculous, was this same guy hailing us the best team in the world after our win against Villa ? i bet he was, he may make some decent points but they are totally over-rided by his complete arsiness in this case, the writer is a tosser IMO. :yuck:
 

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There are so many of these type of threads about, the "crisis" or whatever is overrated, we haven't actually lost a game since Man Utd, and we will be back.
 

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There are so many of these type of threads about, the "crisis" or whatever is overrated, we haven't actually lost a game since Man Utd, and we will be back.

exactly, and it really gets on your nerves when it's our own fans telling us how bad we are when a few weeks ago they were saying we were the best thing since sliced bread.

I am all for criticism when it's constructive but this guy has almost torn the whole team apart and all of our tactics are suddenly wrong, fukin ridiculous moron, according to him we might as well tear up this championship team and start from scratch. :googly:
 
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