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Interesting thing at the Tottenham game. Jol started with Defoe and Mido but both weren't producing so he had no qualms in substitiuting both for Kanoute and Keane. Both subs scored. Defoe has 20 goals this season and is clearly Tottenham's top man so I have to admire Jol's bravery in taking him off, and it paid off.

Thing is, can you imagine Henry getting substituted? The last time that happened was Chelsea last year in the CL but I think an injury could have been involved. To be honest I can understand why Wenger never does it because no matter how bad Henry plays, he reamins easily our most dangerous attacker. Defences would breathe a sigh of releif seeing him go off. I'd love us to improve the strength of our striking options in the summer by getting a carbon copy Henry player i.e a pacy player. It would be a great option to have in games Henry just cant get into, and having a hungrier player coming off the bench could change things. I just can't think of who right now.

I think something like this would be good for the team as a whole, because, IMO, Henry is in a comfort zone. Henry tends to takes it for granted that his place is always secure therefore he doesn't have to put in the extra effort at times. Henry was never going to do anything against Bayern, but he wasn't taken off. Wenger isn't the ruthless type, which is why I feel he is feeling the pressure in dropping Lauren and Lehmann this season. As I said though, to be fair he's by far how most potent attacking threat but sometimes it wouldn't help to have a carbon copy to replace him.

I just can't think of who ...
 

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The only player with Henry type we have are Reyes and Aliadiere. But they're not in Henry standard, I think. In my opinion, we should and must learn to play different formation. Nowadays many teams use 4-3-3 and we should give it a try especially when our defense suck so bad recently.

If we are to play 4-3-3, that means we can have two support strikers on both sides with one real striker (which unfortunately we don't have except the young Lupoli). It can be like any of these :

Pires---------Bergkamp----Reyes
Ljungberg----Bergkamp-----Pires
Ljungberg----Van Persie----Reyes
Ljungberg----Van Persie-----Pires
etc.

You can play it 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2.
 

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How about Quincy? Quincy fits the bill in a way becomes he is unknown and probably won't command as much attention as Henry does. Another aspect, though, is Wenger having faith in that player enough to bring him on in a game of importance for more than just the last 5 minutes of the game. I dont think wenger is that confident in Quincy, unfortunately. Which would mean he'd have to buy someone.
 

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Ooops, I forgot about Quincy :tongue:. Thanks for remind me about him. :)

Quincy should be good in 4-3-3 system. He is by far our version of Serginho.
 

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Personally I see Quincy as Reyes' understudy for a few years. Pires' career is all but done and dusted now (I actually will cry when he hangs up the boots - I love Bobby) in my opinion. If we did revert to the 4-3-3 I see Henry playing wide right drifting in on his left and interchanging with Reyes/Quincy at wide left, with van Persie - providing he gets his head on straight - playing as the back to goal target man like player. I see Ljungberg becoming more of a centralised midfielder with Vieira and Gilberto in the middle doing the defensive work. Flamini and Cesc are obviously their direct replacements in the middle and Lauren can be backup for a lot of positions. I actually think it'd work great:

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Toure - Andrade - Campbell - Cole
Vieira - Gilberto - Ljungberg
Henry - van Persie - Reyes
 

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Zhuge Liang said:
The only player with Henry type we have are Reyes and Aliadiere. But they're not in Henry standard, I think. In my opinion, we should and must learn to play different formation. Nowadays many teams use 4-3-3 and we should give it a try especially when our defense suck so bad recently.

If we are to play 4-3-3, that means we can have two support strikers on both sides with one real striker (which unfortunately we don't have except the young Lupoli). It can be like any of these :

Pires---------Bergkamp----Reyes
Ljungberg----Bergkamp-----Pires
Ljungberg----Van Persie----Reyes
Ljungberg----Van Persie-----Pires
etc.

You can play it 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-1-2.
one real striker? henry is about the most real and complete striker you could get. he could play anywhere and do any job you want him too upfront. and im sorry that formation will never happen
 

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one real striker? henry is about the most real and complete striker you could get. he could play anywhere and do any job you want him too upfront. and im sorry that formation will never happen
Yes, Henry is one of the most complete strikers in World Football, but I think our firend is referring to a natural striker in the mould of van Nistelrooy. Someone that goal hangs and scores tap ins. Someone with a real scoring instinct. Cast your mind back to Euro 2004, and remember that Henry failed in that sort of role.
 

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Nihat??
 

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we should have got Morientes when we had the chance but he's too old for Wenger.

i am sure we will get another forward in the summer although i wouldn't be for taking Henry off ever, it just seems completely wrong to me and if he is in the comfort zone now then the top goalscorer and top assistman in the EPL is still doing ok for me. :thumbsup:
 

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the reason wenger never takes him off is coz he can change a game in the blink of an eyelid even when he is piss poor....

wenger keeps hoping for that to happen!
 

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Petros said:
one real striker? henry is about the most real and complete striker you could get. he could play anywhere and do any job you want him too upfront. and im sorry that formation will never happen

Before you post something, you should pay attention carefully what the discussion is all about. It is true that Henry is the most complete striker or whatever you think he is, but I am stating about how this team can play without him. That 'real' striker I stated in my post is natural striker type who is specialist in taking the chance, not making the chance like Henry usually do (e.g. Makaay, Inzaghi, Morientes).
 

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When you have a player like HENRY you never take him OFF, no matter how shit he plays u never know, he can score from 1 Fk, anything, setup a goal, 1 player we will always need on the pitch, along with SOL.
 

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Before you post something, you should pay attention carefully what the discussion is all about. It is true that Henry is the most complete striker or whatever you think he is, but I am stating about how this team can play without him. That 'real' striker I stated in my post is natural striker type who is specialist in taking the chance, not making the chance like Henry usually do (e.g. Makaay, Inzaghi, Morientes).
yes and what i am saying is that if henry was told to play in the way of Makaay Inzaghi and Morientes he would be able to do effectively.
 

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yes and what i am saying is that if henry was told to play in the way of Makaay Inzaghi and Morientes he would be able to do effectively.
And when did I say he wouldn't ? :confused: :glasses:
 

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And when did I say he wouldn't ? :confused: :glasses:
You didn't, but I bloody did. Look you fickle bunch, Henry was given this out-and-out striker role in the European Championships for France, and he didn't perform well.
 

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You didn't, but I bloody did. Look you fickle bunch, Henry was given this out-and-out striker role in the European Championships for France, and he didn't perform well.
that's right, and who would want to limit Henry to just standing in the box anyway ? only a fukin IDIOT like Santini. :nono:
 
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