In 2002 with Bayer he either started or came off the bench most games.
That was the year bayer went to the CL final. He was pretty good that year.
In 2003 he was hurt and out the whole year.
In 2004 he started most of the games in the first half of the season but then he got hurt halfway through the season and lost his starting place.
In the begining of 2005 he got into a spat with the coach over why he lost his place in the starting 11? Then i guess the coach just benched him.
He's not a great player but i think he's a good player. Against Sweden in WC qualfying i thought other than Srna he played the best game. I think defensively he's very sound, but his offensive skills never really developed that much.
And obviously he's not that bad a player if Bayer Leverkusen, Sttugart and now Werder all signed him he's obviously got talent.